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Blank screen on tty (console)

Started byHimanshu Shekhar <irm2015006@iiita.ac.in>
First post2016-04-01 18:40 +0200
Last post2016-04-04 17:20 +0200
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  Blank screen on tty (console) Himanshu Shekhar <irm2015006@iiita.ac.in> - 2016-04-01 18:40 +0200
    Re: Blank screen on tty (console) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-01 19:40 +0200
      OT: GRUB kernel options (Was: Blank screen on tty (console)) Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-02 05:40 +0200
    Re: Blank screen on tty (console) (revised) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2016-04-02 05:50 +0200
      Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-04-02 19:50 +0200
        Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-02 21:20 +0200
          Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-04-02 22:50 +0200
            Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-03 00:50 +0200
            Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-04 21:20 +0200
              Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-04-04 23:00 +0200
                Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 02:30 +0200
                Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-05 12:00 +0200
                  Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2016-04-05 13:30 +0200
                    Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-06 15:50 +0200
                  Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Alan McConnell <alan@his.com> - 2016-04-05 16:00 +0200
        Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> - 2016-04-03 10:20 +0200
          Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-03 11:00 +0200
            Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> - 2016-04-03 11:10 +0200
              Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2016-04-03 12:30 +0200
            Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-04-03 21:30 +0200
              Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 04:30 +0200
                Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2016-04-04 06:00 +0200
                Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2016-04-04 06:00 +0200
                Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2016-04-04 07:40 +0200
                Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2016-04-04 09:20 +0200
            Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question Adam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net> - 2016-04-04 17:20 +0200

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#166318 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

FromMark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com>
Date2016-04-04 04:30 +0200
SubjectRe: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question
Message-ID<rk2r7-4zt-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 at 04:20, David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun 03 Apr 2016 at 08:56:23 (+0000), Mark Fletcher wrote:
> > I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the
> first
> > place.
>
> Convenience, bandwidth, trust,...
>
> > It's supposed to be free software...
>
> It *is* free software. That doesn't mean that vendors have to download
> it, burn it, verify it, market it, distribute it, support it and pay
> for all the overheads for nothing. There's no business model in that.
>
> Cheers,
> David.
>
> Precisely. That was my question. Why would anyone do any of that? Just
download it from Debian.org already. Separate vendors aren't adding any
value. Why should they get paid for doing nothing useful?

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#166319 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

FromDavid Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Date2016-04-04 06:00 +0200
SubjectRe: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question
Message-ID<rk3Qe-5vv-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#166318
On Mon 04 Apr 2016 at 02:22:10 (+0000), Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 at 04:20, David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Sun 03 Apr 2016 at 08:56:23 (+0000), Mark Fletcher wrote:
> > > I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the first
> > > place.
> >
> > Convenience, bandwidth, trust,...
> >
> > > It's supposed to be free software...
> >
> > It *is* free software. That doesn't mean that vendors have to download
> > it, burn it, verify it, market it, distribute it, support it and pay
> > for all the overheads for nothing. There's no business model in that.

> Precisely. That was my question. Why would anyone do any of that?

Eh? "Anyone" in your first question referred to purchasers who pay
money for something that is free. OK, you obviously want the quick
answer. Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis_versus_libre and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_terms_for_free_software
and realise there's no contradiction in paying for free software.

"Anyone" in your second question refers to the vendors who do any or
all of that, and charge you for it.

> Just
> download it from Debian.org already. Separate vendors aren't adding any
> value. Why should they get paid for doing nothing useful?

That's your opinion. Fortunately for the purchasers, the vendors do
something that the purchasers consider useful, and they get paid for
doing so.

Bandwidth doesn't come free, so you pay for your download instead of
buying the media. You either pay your ISP directly, or indirectly
through council/property taxes (in a library), the bill (in a
restaurant), or your employer's overheads (at work).

Cheers,
David.

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#166320 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

FromJohn Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com>
Date2016-04-04 06:00 +0200
SubjectRe: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question
Message-ID<rk3Qe-5vv-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#166318
Mark Fletcher writes:
> Precisely. That was my question. Why would anyone do any of that? Just
> download it from Debian.org already. Separate vendors aren't adding
> any value. Why should they get paid for doing nothing useful?

They get paid because the people who pay them choose to do so.
Presumably they disagree with you and find that the vendors do add
value, but really that's their business.  If you see no values in
purchased DVDs don't buy any.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhasler@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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#166322 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

FromBrad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
Date2016-04-04 07:40 +0200
SubjectRe: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question
Message-ID<rk5oZ-6PT-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 02:22:10 +0000
Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Mark,

>download it from Debian.org already. Separate vendors aren't adding any

Because *everyone's* got always on, unlimited access to the internet 
haven't they?

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        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"
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#166325 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

From<tomas@tuxteam.de>
Date2016-04-04 09:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question
Message-ID<rk6XM-82e-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#166318
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On Mon, Apr 04, 2016 at 02:22:10AM +0000, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Apr 2016 at 04:20, David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun 03 Apr 2016 at 08:56:23 (+0000), Mark Fletcher wrote:

[...]

> download it from Debian.org already. Separate vendors aren't adding any
> value. Why should they get paid for doing nothing useful?

They do add value: convenience. Sometimes for people without the bandwidth,
sometimes because they forward part of their proceeds to SPI or something
(if I wanted to do that I'd be forced to wrestle with some international
bank bureaucracy I better don't describe here).

I've chosen to pay for "something which is free", often for the second
reason, thus helping make it possible for you to download things for
free.

You're welcome.

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#166368 — Re: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question

FromAdam Wilson <moxalt@riseup.net>
Date2016-04-04 17:20 +0200
SubjectRe: Modified Rapture<g>, and a new question
Message-ID<rkesi-4Y2-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
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On Sun, 03 Apr 2016 08:56:23 +0000
Mark Fletcher <mark27q1@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016, 17:11 Floris <jkfloris@dds.nl> wrote:
> 
> > Op Sat, 02 Apr 2016 19:46:09 +0200 schreef Alan McConnell
> > <alan@his.com>:
> >
> > > Well, I finally got my Jessie installed!  I had to pick a
> > > different kernel than then one
> > > suggested, but things finally went through.  I was even able to
> > > use the partitions I had
> > > prepared and carefully sized.
> > >
> > > My question:  how do I install "new" SW?  E.g. emacs, and mutt,
> > > and ImageMagick?  These
> > > are not found on the one CD I have.  I have in addition a thumb
> > > drive, which came with
> > > my purchase from LinuxCollections.  I have mounted it and find
> > > that it is chock full
> > > of .deb files.  I suppose there is some way of 'manually' copying
> > > a particular .deb
> > > to my disk and then installing it.  But I am afraid of getting
> > > stuck in "dependency
> > > hell".  Does someone here also have the same CD + thumb drive
> > > situation.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> I just don't understand why anyone would pay money for Jessie in the
> first place. It's supposed to be free software...

Your are free to distribute free software for money, if you so desire.
The point of free software is that you are *free* to distribute it as
you wish (either gratis or not).

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