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  An UML editor for Linux Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 21:30 +0100
    Re: An UML editor for Linux Sven Arvidsson <sa@whiz.se> - 2015-11-08 22:00 +0100
      Re: An UML editor for Linux Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 19:10 +0100
    Re: An UML editor for Linux Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 00:10 +0100
      Re: An UML editor for Linux Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 19:10 +0100
    Re: An UML editor for Linux deloptes <deloptes@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-09 00:10 +0100
      Re: Re: An UML editor for Linux Vader <vader@au.ru> - 2015-11-10 11:20 +0100
    Re: An UML editor for Linux David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2015-11-09 00:10 +0100
      Re: An UML editor for Linux Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:10 +0100
        Re: An UML editor for Linux David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2015-11-09 21:10 +0100
          Re: An UML editor for Linux Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:50 +0100
    Re: An UML editor for Linux Johann Spies <johann.spies@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 08:50 +0100
      Re: An UML editor for Linux Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 20:50 +0100
    Re: An UML editor for Linux Chris Edwards <cedwards.debian@cedwards.geek.nz> - 2015-11-09 12:20 +0100
      Re: An UML editor for Linux Maximiliano Sebastián Castro <maxicastrosistemas@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 13:20 +0100
        Re: An UML editor for Linux <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2015-11-09 13:40 +0100
          Re: An UML editor for Linux Maximiliano Sebastián Castro <maxicastrosistemas@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 14:10 +0100
            Re: An UML editor for Linux tomas@tuxteam.de - 2015-11-09 14:40 +0100
            Re: An UML editor for Linux Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:40 +0100
        Re: An UML editor for Linux Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:30 +0100
      Re: An UML editor for Linux Piyavkin <piyavkin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 21:30 +0100
        Re: An UML editor for Linux ray <ray@aarden.us> - 2015-11-13 15:00 +0100

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#160323 — An UML editor for Linux

Gentlemen,


and kind women,


— could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?

Yes, I can see in repositories some, — like dia, umlet, gaphor… — but 
which is decent?


Best regards,
Piyavkin

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#160324

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On Sun, 2015-11-08 at 23:23 +0300, Piyavkin wrote:
> — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?
> 
> Yes, I can see in repositories some, — like dia, umlet, gaphor… — but
> which is decent?

I would probably draw them with Inkscape, but that's mostly because I'm
familiar with it, it's not specifically for UML.

You might also want to look at http://blockdiag.com/ (the building
blocks for that is in the archives in the package python-blockdiag)

-- 
Cheers,
Sven Arvidsson
http://www.whiz.se
PGP Key ID 6FAB5CD5

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#160355

On 08.11.2015 23:58, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Sun, 2015-11-08 at 23:23 +0300, Piyavkin wrote:
>> — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?
>>
>> Yes, I can see in repositories some, — like dia, umlet, gaphor… — but
>> which is decent?
> I would probably draw them with Inkscape, but that's mostly because I'm
> familiar with it, it's not specifically for UML.
>
> You might also want to look at http://blockdiag.com/ (the building
> blocks for that is in the archives in the package python-blockdiag)
>
I'm fine with Inkscape. It's very good tool. But it would be really 
annoying to draw every time everything from scratch. Or there is some 
set of UML primitives for Inkscape, plugin or something?
And then changes in diagrams (especially massive, especially regular) 
will be painful, I guess.

**blockdiag**

Thanks. It looks nice and promising.
Though it seems that it is not cover all UML notations from the box, and 
some tailoring will be needed (if possible).
It is not clear how to install it. Is it some kind of interactive 
on-line constructor?

Thanks for sharing it anyway.

Piyavkin

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#160332

On Sunday 08 November 2015 20:23:25 Piyavkin wrote:
> and kind women

:-)

Lisi

Sorry, I don't know the answer to your question.

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#160356

On 09.11.2015 02:02, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Sunday 08 November 2015 20:23:25 Piyavkin wrote:
>> and kind women
> :-)
>
> Lisi
>
> Sorry, I don't know the answer to your question.
>
>

Me too! ;)

Piyavkin

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#160333

Hi

> 
> 
> — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?
> 

I've been using umbrello for basic stuff - If you want to draft application
components and get basic set of classes generated.
I checked umbrello in KDE4+ and i improved, though for official commercial
use I would not recommend it.

There is UML support in Eclipse as well.

regards

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#160390

>>
>>
>> — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?
>>
>
> I've been using umbrello for basic stuff - If you want to draft application
> components and get basic set of classes generated.
> I checked umbrello in KDE4+ and i improved, though for official commercial
> use I would not recommend it.

Why not for official/commercial use?

> There is UML support in Eclipse as well.

That's interesting. Thanks. I see, there is the UML Designer — free and good looking. Seems very promising.

Piyavkin

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#160334

On 11/08/2015 12:23 PM, Piyavkin wrote:
> — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?

Umbrello is an impressive product that reminded me of Rational Rose. 
The last time I tried it for a Perl project, I was able to make some 
useful diagrams.  But, there were some Java-isms that I couldn't 
completely work around.  If you're into Java, please tell us what you think:

     https://umbrello.kde.org/


Now I typically use LibreOffice Draw for diagrams and QCAD for vector/ 
CAD drawings.


David

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#160361

On 09.11.2015 02:06, David Christensen wrote:
> On 11/08/2015 12:23 PM, Piyavkin wrote:
>> — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?
>
> Umbrello is an impressive product that reminded me of Rational Rose. 
> The last time I tried it for a Perl project, I was able to make some 
> useful diagrams.  But, there were some Java-isms that I couldn't 
> completely work around.  If you're into Java, please tell us what you 
> think:
>
>     https://umbrello.kde.org/
>
>
> Now I typically use LibreOffice Draw for diagrams and QCAD for vector/ 
> CAD drawings.
>
>
> David
>

**Umbrello**

Thanks for the hint. I'll try it to see better.
The problem is that it is from the KDE SDK. I'm on the Gnome. Though KDE 
tools are good looking, I'm trying to use Gnome or independent 
equivalents first.
Now the Umbrello seems very similar to gaphor, by the way.


**LibreOffice**

Has it some UML primitives packs or something?


**QCAD**

Thanks for the hint. May be useful for me (aside from UML). It seems 
that there is LibreCAD instead in Debian repositories.
Can you recommend any proper manual for it?

Piyavkin

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#160367

On 11/09/2015 11:04 AM, Piyavkin wrote:
> **Umbrello**
>
> Thanks for the hint. I'll try it to see better.
> The problem is that it is from the KDE SDK. I'm on the Gnome. Though KDE
> tools are good looking, I'm trying to use Gnome or independent
> equivalents first.

I used Gnome 2 on Squeeze, and now Xfce on Wheezy.  apt-get was able to 
install Umbrello just fine on at least one of them:

     2015-11-09 11:53:26 dpchrist@t2250 ~
     $ apt-cache search umbrello
     umbrello - UML modelling tool and code generator

> Now the Umbrello seems very similar to gaphor, by the way.

Okay.

> **LibreOffice**
>
> Has it some UML primitives packs or something?

I don't know.

> **QCAD**
>
> Thanks for the hint. May be useful for me (aside from UML). It seems
> that there is LibreCAD instead in Debian repositories.

On Wheezy:

     2015-11-09 11:53:19 dpchrist@t2250 ~
     $ apt-cache search qcad
     qcad - Transitional package for QCad to LibreCAD

> Can you recommend any proper manual for it?

Perhaps here:

     http://qcad.org/

David

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#160371

On 09.11.2015 23:01, David Christensen wrote:
> On 11/09/2015 11:04 AM, Piyavkin wrote:
>> **Umbrello**
>>
>> Thanks for the hint. I'll try it to see better.
>> The problem is that it is from the KDE SDK. I'm on the Gnome. Though KDE
>> tools are good looking, I'm trying to use Gnome or independent
>> equivalents first.
>
> I used Gnome 2 on Squeeze, and now Xfce on Wheezy.  apt-get was able 
> to install Umbrello just fine on at least one of them:
>
I know, I just don't want to muddle Gnome with KDE. I'm sure it will be 
installed in bundle with many dependencies.
I'm going to start LiveCD with KDE (or some VM) and play with it latter 
first.

> **QCAD**
>>
>> Thanks for the hint. May be useful for me (aside from UML). It seems
>> that there is LibreCAD instead in Debian repositories.
>
> On Wheezy:
>
>     2015-11-09 11:53:19 dpchrist@t2250 ~
>     $ apt-cache search qcad
>     qcad - Transitional package for QCad to LibreCAD
>
>> Can you recommend any proper manual for it?
>
> Perhaps here:
>
>     http://qcad.org/
>

OK, thanks!

Piyavkin

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#160337

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>
> — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?
>

Dia is decent enough. I have used it in the past.

Recently (through the results of postgresql_autodoc) I started using
Graphviz which produces much beter results than what I can achieve with an
UML-editor.

Learn the dot-language (part of graphviz).  It is not that complicated.

Regards
Johann
-- 
Because experiencing your loyal love is better than life itself,
my lips will praise you.  (Psalm 63:3)

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On 09.11.2015 10:40, Johann Spies wrote:
>
>
>     — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?
>
>
> Dia is decent enough. I have used it in the past.
>
> Recently (through the results of postgresql_autodoc) I started using 
> Graphviz which produces much beter results than what I can achieve 
> with an UML-editor.
>
> Learn the dot-language (part of graphviz).  It is not that complicated.
>
> Regards
> Johann
> -- 
> Because experiencing your loyal love is better than life itself,
> my lips will praise you.  (Psalm 63:3)

**Dia**

Yes Dia seems promising (at first glance). But I have there some little 
but annoying troubles from the start.
For example, I can not resize elements at all, though they have proper 
markers.
Word wrapping in the graphical elements (for example in class nodes) 
doesn't work for me (or I am just too stupid to figure out how to turn 
it on), so boxes with long names looks pretty ugly in result.

**Graphviz**

Well, actually I've used graphviz and dot previously (though it's been a 
while). But before you've mentioned it I had no thought to do with it 
something UMLish.
Now I see that it is a really good idea. I should try it. Thanks!

Piyavkin

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#160340

On 09/11/15 09:23, Piyavkin wrote:
> — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?

I have a colleague who swears by PlantUML, which uses textual markup and 
GraphViz for generating diagrams.

http://www.plantuml.com/
--
Chris

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#160341

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>> — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?

If you don't care about freedom, try Enterprise Architect. Runs via Wine
and in the official page there is a tuto about installing under Linux.

Yes, I know it's closed. But the best option for a complete software
architecture design.

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On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 09:13:08AM -0300, Maximiliano Sebastián Castro wrote:
> >> — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?
> 
> If you don't care about freedom [...]

Who cares, anyway? Freedom, schmeedom.

> Yes, I know it's closed. But the best option for a complete software
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
How would you know that? Have you tested the alternatives?

Sorry, Maximiliano, for my sarcastic tone. Look -- I'm somewhat pragmatic,
and don't mind someone recommending a non-free alternative *with a good
reason* [1] (why is MyFafouriteNonFreeThingie better than YourNiceFree?).

We could then all learn from it and perhaps help make a free alternative
better.

And here, *we all care* about freedom: perhaps our approaches and degrees
of commitment are diverse.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

[1] It's with good intentions, anyway: helping the original poster.

regards
- -- tomás
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Sorry to all those i hurt the heart recommending a short term solution for
the original poster.

I think the pragmatism is very good but for some situations is enemy
of practicality (or how to hell *practicidad* be in english).

Yes, I've tested (because I've worked in software architecture last ~10
years and it's my core knowledge and the works I do every day): I started
with Umbrello and Dia years, then I've tested online and new resourses
like, and during there years I discovered that EA,  FOR ME, (***FOR ME,
like all people that writes an email writes in their opinion not as the
supreme true in the universe***) is the soft that acomplished my needs, but
it does not mean I not support free tools, reporting bugs, collaborate and
spread in college classes. And not mean that I integrate the the other free
apps.

I did not know you could get to be a reactive, sarcastic, and tasteless
response. For it was with good intentions, but it seems slow prefer
collaboration instead of a rich debate on what can be better. The best is
relative to each person, and although we are in the context of this list, I
think you as an advocate of the open, you should be more open.

In any case if the response is not helpful to the person who posted, he
will tell.

Maybe he tell us the first response helps him and ignore others responses,
and problem resolved or maybe he try EA and resolve his problem and then
look for similar soft.

I understand what you say, as you should also try to understand what I said.

Thank you and I hope you understand the intent of the message.


On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 8:56 AM, <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

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> On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 09:13:08AM -0300, Maximiliano Sebastián Castro
> wrote:
> > >> — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?
> >
> > If you don't care about freedom [...]
>
> Who cares, anyway? Freedom, schmeedom.
>
> > Yes, I know it's closed. But the best option for a complete software
>                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> How would you know that? Have you tested the alternatives?
>
> Sorry, Maximiliano, for my sarcastic tone. Look -- I'm somewhat pragmatic,
> and don't mind someone recommending a non-free alternative *with a good
> reason* [1] (why is MyFafouriteNonFreeThingie better than YourNiceFree?).
>
> We could then all learn from it and perhaps help make a free alternative
> better.
>
> And here, *we all care* about freedom: perhaps our approaches and degrees
> of commitment are diverse.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> [1] It's with good intentions, anyway: helping the original poster.
>
> regards
> - -- tomás
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On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 10:05:55AM -0300, Maximiliano Sebastián Castro wrote:
> Sorry to all those i hurt the heart recommending a short term solution for
> the original poster.

No problems. I'm used to get my heart hurt on the Internet twice a day ;-)

> I think the pragmatism is very good but for some situations is enemy
> of practicality (or how to hell *practicidad* be in english).

But I *am* pragmatic (I explicitly said that for me it's OK to recommend
a piece of non-free software -- please read my answer again!)

> Yes, I've tested (because I've worked in software architecture last ~10
> years and it's my core knowledge and the works I do every day): I started
> with Umbrello and Dia years, then I've tested online and new resourses
> like, and during there years I discovered that EA,  FOR ME, (***FOR ME,
> like all people that writes an email writes in their opinion not as the
> supreme true in the universe***) is the soft that acomplished my needs, but
> it does not mean I not support free tools, reporting bugs, collaborate and
> spread in college classes. And not mean that I integrate the the other free
> apps.

Ah, now we're talking :-)

This is what I was missing in your original post. Just "is the best" was
too little for me. Now if you could name just one feature that you miss
most in the free alternatives, that would be awesome.

I understood that this is all from your perspective. What else can you
offer? That's the same for us all, nothing bad about it.

> I did not know you could get to be a reactive, sarcastic, and tasteless
> response. For it was with good intentions, but it seems slow prefer
> collaboration instead of a rich debate on what can be better. The best is
> relative to each person, and although we are in the context of this list, I
> think you as an advocate of the open, you should be more open.

Sarcasm was intended. But if it came across as tasteless, I'm genuinely
sorry about that.

> In any case if the response is not helpful to the person who posted, he
> will tell.
> 
> Maybe he tell us the first response helps him and ignore others responses,
> and problem resolved or maybe he try EA and resolve his problem and then
> look for similar soft.

For sure. And I did write that I acknowledge your good intentions: I sure
meant it.

> I understand what you say, as you should also try to understand what I said.
> 
> Thank you and I hope you understand the intent of the message.

I hope that is clear now. I *do* understand, but I was missing some
*constructive* criticism (because I do care deeply about Free).

Regards
- -- tomás
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On 09.11.2015 16:05, Maximiliano Sebastián Castro wrote:
> Sorry to all those i hurt the heart recommending a short term solution 
> for the original poster.
>
> I think the pragmatism is very good but for some situations is enemy 
> of practicality (or how to hell *practicidad* be in english).
>
> Yes, I've tested (because I've worked in software architecture last 
> ~10 years and it's my core knowledge and the works I do every day): I 
> started with Umbrello and Dia years, then I've tested online and new 
> resourses like, and during there years I discovered that EA,  FOR ME, 
> (***FOR ME, like all people that writes an email writes in their 
> opinion not as the supreme true in the universe***) is the soft that 
> acomplished my needs, but it does not mean I not support free tools, 
> reporting bugs, collaborate and spread in college classes. And not 
> mean that I integrate the the other free apps.
>
> I did not know you could get to be a reactive, sarcastic, and 
> tasteless response. For it was with good intentions, but it seems slow 
> prefer collaboration instead of a rich debate on what can be better. 
> The best is relative to each person, and although we are in the 
> context of this list, I think you as an advocate of the open, you 
> should be more open.
>
> In any case if the response is not helpful to the person who posted, 
> he will tell.
>
> Maybe he tell us the first response helps him and ignore others 
> responses, and problem resolved or maybe he try EA and resolve his 
> problem and then look for similar soft.
>
> I understand what you say, as you should also try to understand what I 
> said.
>
> Thank you and I hope you understand the intent of the message.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 8:56 AM, <tomas@tuxteam.de 
> <mailto:tomas@tuxteam.de>> wrote:
>
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>     On Mon, Nov 09, 2015 at 09:13:08AM -0300, Maximiliano Sebastián
>     Castro wrote:
>     > >> — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?
>     >
>     > If you don't care about freedom [...]
>
>     Who cares, anyway? Freedom, schmeedom.
>
>     > Yes, I know it's closed. But the best option for a complete software
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>     How would you know that? Have you tested the alternatives?
>
>     Sorry, Maximiliano, for my sarcastic tone. Look -- I'm somewhat
>     pragmatic,
>     and don't mind someone recommending a non-free alternative *with a
>     good
>     reason* [1] (why is MyFafouriteNonFreeThingie better than
>     YourNiceFree?).
>
>     We could then all learn from it and perhaps help make a free
>     alternative
>     better.
>
>     And here, *we all care* about freedom: perhaps our approaches and
>     degrees
>     of commitment are diverse.
>
>     - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>     [1] It's with good intentions, anyway: helping the original poster.
>
>     regards
>     - -- tomás
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Just for the record: I find all responses helpful, especially sarcastic. )

Piyavkin

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#160369

On 09.11.2015 15:13, Maximiliano Sebastián Castro wrote:
>
>
> >> — could you please recommend me some decent UML editor for Linux?
>
> If you don't care about freedom, try Enterprise Architect. Runs via 
> Wine and in the official page there is a tuto about installing under 
> Linux.
>
> Yes, I know it's closed. But the best option for a complete software 
> architecture design.
>
Do you mean ARIS product from SoftwareAG or some other E. Architect?


Piyavkin

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