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restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze

Started bygene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
First post2024-12-09 16:00 +0100
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  restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 16:00 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-12-09 16:30 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-09 20:50 +0100
      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 22:40 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-10 03:00 +0100
      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-10 23:00 +0100
        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 05:10 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 06:20 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:00 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-16 00:20 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:20 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-16 18:10 +0100
        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 07:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bob McGowan <ramjr0915@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 08:00 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-11 22:20 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 06:00 +0100
                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 09:50 +0100
                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 18:40 +0100
                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 19:20 +0100
                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 19:30 +0100
                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 21:50 +0100
                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze eben@gmx.us - 2024-12-12 21:00 +0100
                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:00 +0100
                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 10:00 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 10:50 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze tomas@tuxteam.de - 2024-12-13 11:00 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:30 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 13:10 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 00:50 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 04:30 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 05:30 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
                                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:50 +0100
                                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:40 +0100
                                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:00 +0100
                                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:50 +0100
                                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 18:50 +0100
                                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:20 +0100
                                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 17:50 +0100
                                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:10 +0100
                                                      SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
                                                        Re: SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 14:00 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 23:50 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:20 +0100
                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:30 +0100
                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:50 +0100
                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:10 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:30 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:20 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 15:40 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:40 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 17:20 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 17:50 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 21:20 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 17:40 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-13 18:50 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 19:30 +0100
                              Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a  minute till next freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:00 +0100
                                Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts  maybe aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:40 +0100
                                  Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts  maybe aminute till next freeze) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-13 19:50 +0100
                                    Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lastsmaybe  aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
                                      Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 09:00 +0100
                                        Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:50 +0100
                                          Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
                                            Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                                              Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 22:30 +0100
                                          Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 23:30 +0100
                                            Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:10 +0100
                                              Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer  andassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 14:30 +0100
                                                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer  andassistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 15:50 +0100
                                                  Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re:  Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:10 +0100
                                                    Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re:  Installerandassistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
                                                      SOLVED Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS  Re:Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
                                              Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-15 15:30 +0100
                                                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 19:30 +0100
                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 23:00 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 07:50 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 17:50 +0100
                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
                                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 16:10 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:30 +0100
                                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-15 10:50 +0100
                                              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:40 +0100
                                                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
                                          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-14 20:40 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
                                            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:30 +0100
                                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
                                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 18:00 +0100
                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
                        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 19:00 +0100
                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:20 +0100
                      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                        Disabling orca (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next  freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
                  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 13:30 +0100
                    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 16:40 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 04:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-12 04:30 +0100

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#275421 — restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-09 16:00 +0100
Subjectrestart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze
Message-ID<JRNoR-frZW-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275427

FromBret Busby <bret@busby.net>
Date2024-12-09 16:30 +0100
Message-ID<JRNRU-fsND-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275421
On 9/12/24 22:59, gene heskett wrote:
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
That message is about as useful, as ...

If your email provider has webmail, assuming that you do not have 
installed, a more stable email user application, such as alpine, then I 
suggest that you use the email provider's webmail facility, until you 
get your email problem resolved.

And, if you want your messages to be respected, and, to obtain 
assistance, I suggest that you post meaningful messages, instead of the 
<"expletive deleted"> message above.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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#275438

From"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com>
Date2024-12-09 20:50 +0100
Message-ID<JRRVv-fvRq-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275421
On Mon, Dec 09, 2024 at 09:59:17AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> 

Hi Gene,

We need more details than this.

1. Which version of Debian?
2. Any log files?
3. What's running when the machine crashes?
4. What's changed recently

All best, as ever,

Andy Cater
(amacater@debian.org)


> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> 

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#275440

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-09 22:40 +0100
Message-ID<JRTDX-fwXg-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275438
On 12/9/24 14:45, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 09, 2024 at 09:59:17AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> Hi Gene,
>
> We need more details than this.
>
> 1. Which version of Debian? 12 fully uptodate a/o yesterday and again this morning
> 2. Any log files? can't find any for t-bird, where would they be?
> 3. What's running when the machine crashes? about 150 threads, this i the heart machine of my local net
> 4. What's changed recently t-bird and security stuffs
> I've dl'd the beta build from their site, lots of differences, but solid, dead stable
> All best, as ever,
>
> Andy Cater
> (amacater@debian.org)
Thanks Andy.
>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
>> -- 
>> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>>   soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
>> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>>   - Louis D. Brandeis
>>
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275445

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-12-10 03:00 +0100
Message-ID<JRXHz-fCVi-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275421
On 12/9/24 06:59, gene heskett wrote:
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.


If your computer is crashing within a minute, consider printing this e-mail.


I assume the subject "restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze" 
refers to your Asus PRIME Z370-A II desktop/ workstation/ storage server 
computer (?).


I suggest:

1.  Disconnect all internal and external drives.

2.  Connect the 1 TB WD Black M.2 NVMe PCIe x4 SSD into motherboard 
slot M.2_1.

3.  Boot into Setup, reset all settings to factory defaults, save, and exit.

4.  Boot the Debian Stable installer into a rescue shell or boot 
Clonezilla.  Connect a large USB HDD with free space.  Back up the M.2 
SSD to the USB HDD.  Connect another large USB HDD with free space and 
backup again.  Power down.  Disconnect USB HDD's.

5.  Boot the Debian Stable installer into a rescue shell.  Zero fill or 
secure erase the M.2 SSD.

5.  Do a fresh install of Debian with a supported graphical desktop 
environment (I use Xfce).  Keep it simple and small (16 GB).  Only 
install official Debian packages.  Record every question asked by d-i 
and your answers -- use pencil and paper if you do not have an available 
computer.  Power down.

6.  Boot the Debian installer into a rescue shell or boot Clonezilla. 
Connect a large USB HDD with free space.  Use dd(1) to take an image of 
the M.2 SSD to the HDD.  Repeat with second USB HDD.  Power down. 
Disconnect USB HDD's.

7.  Boot into the new OS.  Reconnect/ reconfigure the various data 
drives, one data set at a time.  Back up each data set as you go.

8.  Install a hypervisor.  Add a partition to the M.2 SSD for virtual 
machines.  Create a VM for your daily driver and install whatever OS and 
desktop you please.  Create VM's for each of your specialty applications 
with whatever software each needs.  Configure host data set access as 
required for each VM.  Recover anything needed from the M.2 SSD image 
from step #4.  Shutdown, snapshot, and export/ backup each VM as you go.


David

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#275471

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-10 23:00 +0100
Message-ID<JSgqS-fVTV-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275445
On 12/9/24 20:51, David Christensen wrote:
> On 12/9/24 06:59, gene heskett wrote:
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
>
>
> If your computer is crashing within a minute, consider printing this 
> e-mail. 
A: It didn't last long enough to even get this msg.

B: I dl'd the beta from the mozilla site, works differently but has not 
crashed in about 36 hours now. It didn't crash if the debian supplied 
version wasn't running so the dl was w/o excitement.

>
> I assume the subject "restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze" 
> refers to your Asus PRIME Z370-A II desktop/ workstation/ storage 
> server computer (?).
Yes, its stable as long as the debian version of t-bird wasn't running, 
start it and it locked the system up while fetching the initial imap 
scan for new msgs.  I didn't track how many times I tried, 10 or more I 
guess.
>
> I suggest:
>
> 1.  Disconnect all internal and external drives.
>
> 2.  Connect the 1 TB WD Black M.2 NVMe PCIe x4 SSD into motherboard 
> slot M.2_1.
>
> 3.  Boot into Setup, reset all settings to factory defaults, save, and 
> exit.
>
> 4.  Boot the Debian Stable installer into a rescue shell or boot 
> Clonezilla.  Connect a large USB HDD with free space.  Back up the M.2 
> SSD to the USB HDD.  Connect another large USB HDD with free space and 
> backup again.  Power down.  Disconnect USB HDD's.
>
> 5.  Boot the Debian Stable installer into a rescue shell.  Zero fill 
> or secure erase the M.2 SSD.
>
> 5.  Do a fresh install of Debian with a supported graphical desktop 
> environment (I use Xfce).  Keep it simple and small (16 GB).  Only 
> install official Debian packages.  Record every question asked by d-i 
> and your answers -- use pencil and paper if you do not have an 
> available computer.  Power down.
>
> 6.  Boot the Debian installer into a rescue shell or boot Clonezilla. 
> Connect a large USB HDD with free space.  Use dd(1) to take an image 
> of the M.2 SSD to the HDD.  Repeat with second USB HDD.  Power down. 
> Disconnect USB HDD's.
>
> 7.  Boot into the new OS.  Reconnect/ reconfigure the various data 
> drives, one data set at a time.  Back up each data set as you go.
>
> 8.  Install a hypervisor.  Add a partition to the M.2 SSD for virtual 
> machines.  Create a VM for your daily driver and install whatever OS 
> and desktop you please.  Create VM's for each of your specialty 
> applications with whatever software each needs. Configure host data 
> set access as required for each VM.  Recover anything needed from the 
> M.2 SSD image from step #4.  Shutdown, snapshot, and export/ backup 
> each VM as you go.
>
>
> David
>
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275479

FromGreg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org>
Date2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
Message-ID<JSkkN-fZx6-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275471
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 18:01:24 -0800, David Christensen wrote:
> If official Debian packages cause your system to crash, then your Debian
> installation is broken.

Or the hardware is broken.  Running a specfic program may exercise the
broken hardware in a way that causes it to fail, while other programs
do not.

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#275488

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-12-11 05:10 +0100
Message-ID<JSmcV-g1fx-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275479
On 12/10/24 18:07, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 18:01:24 -0800, David Christensen wrote:
>> If official Debian packages cause your system to crash, then your Debian
>> installation is broken.
> 
> Or the hardware is broken.  Running a specfic program may exercise the
> broken hardware in a way that causes it to fail, while other programs
> do not.


If the OP runs Debian OOTB, okay.  But, Gene does anything but that.


David

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#275491

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-11 06:20 +0100
Message-ID<JSniF-g2bU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275488
On 12/10/24 23:06, David Christensen wrote:
> On 12/10/24 18:07, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 18:01:24 -0800, David Christensen wrote:
>>> If official Debian packages cause your system to crash, then your 
>>> Debian
>>> installation is broken.
>>
>> Or the hardware is broken.  Running a specfic program may exercise the
>> broken hardware in a way that causes it to fail, while other programs
>> do not.
>
>
> If the OP runs Debian OOTB, okay.  But, Gene does anything but that.
>
I don't deny that David. after all, I build these things to do something 
useful to me.  And OOTB is a huge impediment to getting what I want to 
do, done.  I willingly play lab rat for several applications, or canary 
in the coal mine, both scenarios fit.  But I didn't expect to be used as 
a lab rat for an  email program. Basic stuff like that , because the 
whole planet is using it, should just work.  The current debian supplied 
t-bird doesn't. This mozilla's beta, and if I can recreate the filters 
it will work just fine. But I've not yet found the automatic filter 
generator. I do have other irons in the fire.

Thank you. Take care of #1 David.

> David
>
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275547

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-12-12 02:00 +0100
Message-ID<JSFIB-geoV-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275491
On 12/10/24 21:15, gene heskett wrote:
> The current debian supplied t-bird doesn't [work].


I am running Old Stable on my machines:

2024-12-11 16:25:14 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a
11.11
Linux laalaa 5.10.0-33-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.226-1 (2024-10-03) 
x86_64 GNU/Linux


On my daily driver, Thunderbird works reliably:

2024-12-11 16:54:22 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ dpkg-query --list thunderbird
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| 
Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name           Version                Architecture Description
+++-==============-======================-============-==================================================================
ii  thunderbird    1:128.5.0esr-1~deb11u1 amd64        mail/news client 
with RSS, chat and integrated spam filter support


David

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#275752

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-16 00:20 +0100
Message-ID<JU641-hk3u-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275488
On 12/10/24 23:06, David Christensen wrote:
> On 12/10/24 18:07, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 18:01:24 -0800, David Christensen wrote:
>>> If official Debian packages cause your system to crash, then your 
>>> Debian
>>> installation is broken.
>>
>> Or the hardware is broken.  Running a specfic program may exercise the
>> broken hardware in a way that causes it to fail, while other programs
>> do not.
>
>
> If the OP runs Debian OOTB, okay.  But, Gene does anything but that.
>
if debian kept the popular aps up to date, I'd use them.  T-bird is an 
example. With suricata gone its still going out to lala - land while 
fetching new mail. The beta is in .xz format, unpacked into it own 
/home/gene/thunderbird directory is running fine. The only real problem 
is its creating and using a whole new mail directory, and none my 
sorting filters yet exist. With suracata gone, it says it connected to 
imap.server at my isp, collecting 599 msgs to catch up, but goes out to 
lunch for an hour using 100% of a core, the gui is dead, mouse clicks 
anyplace are ignored, killall kills it instantly. Just did a 
full-upgrade, 7 security pkgs, now its fetching the same 577 headers & 
htop thinks its running ok.  But it got to the last header count, went 
to 100.5% of a core, no response to a mouse click any place.  This is 
your t-bird doing that, beta is working fine, you are reading it.

Merry Christmas all.

>
> David
>
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275766

FromMax Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-16 15:20 +0100
Message-ID<JUk70-hyzM-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275752
On 16/12/2024 06:15, gene heskett wrote:
> This is your t-bird doing that, beta is working fine, you are reading it.

To be fair, the comparison must include new user profile for the ESR 
release packaged in Debian. By the way, the ESR branch is approximately 
half a year old.

Beta is for testers. Use at least *release* build.

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#275784

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-12-16 18:10 +0100
Message-ID<JUmLv-hAmG-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275752
On 12/15/24 15:15, gene heskett wrote:
> On 12/10/24 23:06, David Christensen wrote:
>> On 12/10/24 18:07, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 18:01:24 -0800, David Christensen wrote:
>>>> If official Debian packages cause your system to crash, then your 
>>>> Debian
>>>> installation is broken.
>>>
>>> Or the hardware is broken.  Running a specfic program may exercise the
>>> broken hardware in a way that causes it to fail, while other programs
>>> do not.
>>
>> If the OP runs Debian OOTB, okay.  But, Gene does anything but that.
>>
> if debian kept the popular aps up to date, I'd use them.  T-bird is an 
> example. With suricata gone its still going out to lala - land while 
> fetching new mail. The beta is in .xz format, unpacked into it own / 
> home/gene/thunderbird directory is running fine. The only real problem 
> is its creating and using a whole new mail directory, and none my 
> sorting filters yet exist. With suracata gone, it says it connected to 
> imap.server at my isp, collecting 599 msgs to catch up, but goes out to 
> lunch for an hour using 100% of a core, the gui is dead, mouse clicks 
> anyplace are ignored, killall kills it instantly. Just did a full- 
> upgrade, 7 security pkgs, now its fetching the same 577 headers & htop 
> thinks its running ok.  But it got to the last header count, went to 
> 100.5% of a core, no response to a mouse click any place.  This is your 
> t-bird doing that, beta is working fine, you are reading it.


As you already know, the software in Debian Stable lags behind upstream 
releases by design.  If you want a newer releases, then please seek 
other options such as Debian Backports, Debian Testing, Debian Unstable, 
etc..


If and when you choose Debian Stable or Old Stable, then please KISS and 
run it OOTB.  You must bend your will to Debian, not the other way 
around.  I use and recommend Debian Old Stable for a desktop daily 
driver and as a VirtualBox host (via official Oracle packages integrated 
into the Debian package system).  If and when you encounter an issue on 
a KISS and OOTB Debian Stable or Old Stable system, then using the 
appropriate Debian support resources makes sense (including this ML).


Build your custom *nix systems on dedicated hardware (e.g. your CNC 
controllers) or in virtual machines.  If and when you encounter an 
issue, isolate it.  If it is reproducible on a KISS and OOTB Debian 
Stable or Old Stable system, then see the above paragraph.  If not, then 
please seek out the appropriate support resources (such as the CAD/CAM 
software vendor) and/or please use your knowledge and skills to find and 
fix the issue.


> Merry Christmas all.


Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!  :-)


David

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#275480

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
Message-ID<JSkkN-fZx6-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275471
On 12/10/24 13:51, gene heskett wrote:
> On 12/9/24 20:51, David Christensen wrote:
>> On 12/9/24 06:59, gene heskett wrote:
>> If your computer is crashing within a minute, consider printing this 
>> e-mail. 
> A: It didn't last long enough to even get this msg.


Understood.


> B: I dl'd the beta from the mozilla site, works differently but has not 
> crashed in about 36 hours now. It didn't crash if the debian supplied 
> version wasn't running so the dl was w/o excitement.


On the one hand, I am glad the computer is no longer crashing.


On the other hand, I expect that you will continue to use the computer 
in the same way; and that you will not identify and fix root cause issues.


>> I assume the subject "restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze" 
>> refers to your Asus PRIME Z370-A II desktop/ workstation/ storage 
>> server computer (?).
> Yes, its stable as long as the debian version of t-bird wasn't running, 
> start it and it locked the system up while fetching the initial imap 
> scan for new msgs.  I didn't track how many times I tried, 10 or more I 
> guess.


If official Debian packages cause your system to crash, then your Debian 
installation is broken.  Given the complexity of your haystack, I expect 
finding and fixing the needle(s) would be time prohibitive.


When I destabilize a system, my preferred solution is a backup, 
re-image, and restore cycle.  To make this solution possible, I have 
invested myself in disaster preparedness.  And, I must continue 
investing effort on a regular basis to keep it viable.


When all I had was data backups, my best option was backup, wipe, fresh 
install, and restore.


Things were truly scary before I had decent data backups.


If you rebuild the computer as a hypervisor host (using the NVMe PCIe 
SSD) and a storage server (using the various SATA SSD's), you can do all 
the experimentation you want inside virtual machines.  If a VM blows up, 
the base system keeps running and so do the other VM's.  This removes 
your current problem of "all of your eggs in one basket".  Also, a good 
hypervisor makes it easy to snapshot and revert VM's.  This facilitates 
disaster preparedness and disaster recovery for the VM's.  You would 
still need data backups; use the HDD's.


David

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#275492

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-11 07:20 +0100
Message-ID<JSoeJ-g366-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275480
On 12/10/24 21:01, David Christensen wrote:
> On 12/10/24 13:51, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 12/9/24 20:51, David Christensen wrote:
>>> On 12/9/24 06:59, gene heskett wrote:
>>> If your computer is crashing within a minute, consider printing this 
>>> e-mail. 
>> A: It didn't last long enough to even get this msg.
>
>
> Understood.
>
>
>> B: I dl'd the beta from the mozilla site, works differently but has 
>> not crashed in about 36 hours now. It didn't crash if the debian 
>> supplied version wasn't running so the dl was w/o excitement.
>
>
> On the one hand, I am glad the computer is no longer crashing.
>
>
> On the other hand, I expect that you will continue to use the computer 
> in the same way; and that you will not identify and fix root cause 
> issues.
>
>
>>> I assume the subject "restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze" 
>>> refers to your Asus PRIME Z370-A II desktop/ workstation/ storage 
>>> server computer (?).
>> Yes, its stable as long as the debian version of t-bird wasn't 
>> running, start it and it locked the system up while fetching the 
>> initial imap scan for new msgs.  I didn't track how many times I 
>> tried, 10 or more I guess.
>
>
> If official Debian packages cause your system to crash, then your 
> Debian installation is broken.  Given the complexity of your haystack, 
> I expect finding and fixing the needle(s) would be time prohibitive.
It is indeed, David. The package managers apt and synaptic cannot find 
anything wrong, and I should be on record as reporting that opening any 
local file takes a minimum of 30 seconds to pop up the requester, during 
which time the system is also locked.  I've installed some stuff folks 
have suggested to no avail so I gave up wasting everybody's time and 
just put up with it. memtest86 has toured the 32gigs several times but 
doesn't find anything. Frustrating but apparently it hasn't bothered 
anyone else. It would very helpful if something stuck up a hand or did 
the gotta pee dance but in 2 years nothing has. Maybe its something 
leftover from ripping out orca and brltty that I tried to stop by a 
fresh install around 30 times.  The installer put them in even when I 
said no.
>
>
> When I destabilize a system, my preferred solution is a backup, 
> re-image, and restore cycle.  To make this solution possible, I have 
> invested myself in disaster preparedness.  And, I must continue 
> investing effort on a regular basis to keep it viable.
>
>
> When all I had was data backups, my best option was backup, wipe, 
> fresh install, and restore.
>
>
> Things were truly scary before I had decent data backups.
>
>
> If you rebuild the computer as a hypervisor host (using the NVMe PCIe 
> SSD) and a storage server (using the various SATA SSD's), you can do 
> all the experimentation you want inside virtual machines. If a VM 
> blows up, the base system keeps running and so do the other VM's.  
> This removes your current problem of "all of your eggs in one 
> basket".  Also, a good hypervisor makes it easy to snapshot and revert 
> VM's.  This facilitates disaster preparedness and disaster recovery 
> for the VM's.  You would still need data backups; use the HDD's.
>
>
> David
>
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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#275495

FromBob McGowan <ramjr0915@gmail.com>
Date2024-12-11 08:00 +0100
Message-ID<JSoRr-g3sP-17@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275492
On Wed, 2024-12-11 at 01:17 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> 
> On 12/10/24 21:01, David Christensen wrote:
> > On 12/10/24 13:51, gene heskett wrote:
> > > On 12/9/24 20:51, David Christensen wrote:
> > > > On 12/9/24 06:59, gene heskett wrote:
> > > > If your computer is crashing within a minute, consider printing
> > > > this 
> > > > e-mail. 
> > > A: It didn't last long enough to even get this msg.
> > 
> > 
> > Understood.
> > 
> > 
> > > B: I dl'd the beta from the mozilla site, works differently but
> > > has 
> > > not crashed in about 36 hours now. It didn't crash if the debian 
> > > supplied version wasn't running so the dl was w/o excitement.
> > 
> > 
> > On the one hand, I am glad the computer is no longer crashing.
> > 
> > 
> > On the other hand, I expect that you will continue to use the
> > computer 
> > in the same way; and that you will not identify and fix root cause 
> > issues.
> > 
> > 
> > > > I assume the subject "restart lasts maybe a minute till next
> > > > freeze" 
> > > > refers to your Asus PRIME Z370-A II desktop/ workstation/
> > > > storage 
> > > > server computer (?).
> > > Yes, its stable as long as the debian version of t-bird wasn't 
> > > running, start it and it locked the system up while fetching the 
> > > initial imap scan for new msgs.  I didn't track how many times I 
> > > tried, 10 or more I guess.
> > 
> > 
> > If official Debian packages cause your system to crash, then your 
> > Debian installation is broken.  Given the complexity of your
> > haystack, 
> > I expect finding and fixing the needle(s) would be time
> > prohibitive.
> It is indeed, David. The package managers apt and synaptic cannot
> find 
> anything wrong, and I should be on record as reporting that opening
> any 
> local file takes a minimum of 30 seconds to pop up the requester,
> during 
> which time the system is also locked.  I've installed some stuff
> folks 
> have suggested to no avail so I gave up wasting everybody's time and 
> just put up with it. memtest86 has toured the 32gigs several times
> but 
> doesn't find anything. Frustrating but apparently it hasn't bothered 
> anyone else. It would very helpful if something stuck up a hand or
> did 

Hello Gene and David,

Due to the subject, I had not read earlier emails in this thread, until
today.

And I'm here to say I've also had problems I've imputed to Tbird, based
on the fact that when Tbird is NOT running, the systme is as solid as a
rock.

Of note is the fact that my issues were not nearly instantly provoked,
in some cases it took several hours before the system hung.

In one case, I was using Zoom when it hung and the audio (and network)
continued to work, for about 18 minutes before locking up.

Finally, I've switched to using Evolution and this has generally been a
good change.  It did hang, once, at the beginning but has not been a
problem since.

I also replaced my video card just before switching to Evolution, from
a 1GB Nvidia board to a 4GB AMD Radeon HD 7670 card.

How helpful or usefull this is, is open to debate, but at least there
is a second case, for what it's worth.

Bob

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#275548

FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
Message-ID<JSGbE-geNF-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275495
On 12/10/24 22:59, Bob McGowan wrote:
> And I'm here to say I've also had problems I've imputed to Tbird, based
> on the fact that when Tbird is NOT running, the systme is as solid as a
> rock.


I have also had issues with Thunderbird.  It works most of the time and 
I cannot argue with the price, so I consider it to be a reasonable value 
proposition.


David

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#275527

From"Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com>
Date2024-12-11 22:20 +0100
Message-ID<JSChH-gcop-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275492
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 01:17:37AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> 
> > installation is broken.  Given the complexity of your haystack, I expect
> > finding and fixing the needle(s) would be time prohibitive.
> It is indeed, David. The package managers apt and synaptic cannot find
> anything wrong, and I should be on record as reporting that opening any
> local file takes a minimum of 30 seconds to pop up the requester, during
> which time the system is also locked.  I've installed some stuff folks have
> suggested to no avail so I gave up wasting everybody's time and just put up
> with it. memtest86 has toured the 32gigs several times but doesn't find
> anything. Frustrating but apparently it hasn't bothered anyone else. It
> would very helpful if something stuck up a hand or did the gotta pee dance
> but in 2 years nothing has. Maybe its something leftover from ripping out
> orca and brltty that I tried to stop by a fresh install around 30 times. 
> The installer put them in even when I said no.
> > 

Gene,

You make life difficult for yourself (and, coincidentally, for the rest of us
who try to follow what you've done :) )

You've got an NVME drive that's unused, I think, that you could put onto your
motherboard. Bring your system to the minimum you can - disconnect the other
drives for the meantime. Install Debian to that drive - standard, stable Debian.

Gradually reinstate the other drives and potentially copy data across once
you have a simple stable Debian 12.

The 30 installs you did resulted in a whole stream of annoyed emails: that was
almost entirely because you had a USB serial device. Simplify, simplify,
simplify.

If all else fails, get hold of a secondhand machine that you can use to 
troubleshoot problems like this rather than your main machine.

All best, as ever,

Andy Cater
(amacater@debian.org)

> > 
> > When I destabilize a system, my preferred solution is a backup,
> > re-image, and restore cycle.  To make this solution possible, I have
> > invested myself in disaster preparedness.  And, I must continue
> > investing effort on a regular basis to keep it viable.
> > 
> > 
> > When all I had was data backups, my best option was backup, wipe, fresh
> > install, and restore.
> > 
> > 
> > Things were truly scary before I had decent data backups.
> > 
> > 
> > If you rebuild the computer as a hypervisor host (using the NVMe PCIe
> > SSD) and a storage server (using the various SATA SSD's), you can do all
> > the experimentation you want inside virtual machines. If a VM blows up,
> > the base system keeps running and so do the other VM's.  This removes
> > your current problem of "all of your eggs in one basket".  Also, a good
> > hypervisor makes it easy to snapshot and revert VM's.  This facilitates
> > disaster preparedness and disaster recovery for the VM's.  You would
> > still need data backups; use the HDD's.
> > 
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > .
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> 

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#275552

Fromgene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Date2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
Message-ID<JSGuZ-geUb-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275527
On 12/11/24 16:14, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 01:17:37AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>>> installation is broken.  Given the complexity of your haystack, I expect
>>> finding and fixing the needle(s) would be time prohibitive.
>> It is indeed, David. The package managers apt and synaptic cannot find
>> anything wrong, and I should be on record as reporting that opening any
>> local file takes a minimum of 30 seconds to pop up the requester, during
>> which time the system is also locked.  I've installed some stuff folks have
>> suggested to no avail so I gave up wasting everybody's time and just put up
>> with it. memtest86 has toured the 32gigs several times but doesn't find
>> anything. Frustrating but apparently it hasn't bothered anyone else. It
>> would very helpful if something stuck up a hand or did the gotta pee dance
>> but in 2 years nothing has. Maybe its something leftover from ripping out
>> orca and brltty that I tried to stop by a fresh install around 30 times.
>> The installer put them in even when I said no.
> Gene,
>
> You make life difficult for yourself (and, coincidentally, for the rest of us
> who try to follow what you've done :) )

TL; DR

Which is nigh impossible, Andy, one of the reasons I quit harping on it, 
I finally realized that to most of you, I am the ultimate power user, 
making this machine do things that many don't understand.  I don't often 
think inside that famous box.  I read virtually every msg posted here, 
hoping to glean a clue to something I can check from someone else with a 
similar problem. First, I don't own a wired mouse except the serial 
interfaced one on my now dead from nearly 40 yo caps trs-80 color 
computer 3. So hooking that up would probably trigger the install of 
orca and brltty despite specifically skipping by that question from the 
installer.. IDK, haven't tried it. Won't do this below either, because 
putting it back together would be the equ of pulling a new mobo out of 
the box and building it all up from scratch again. Those 2 slots, rumor 
has it only 1 will work, but which one? No one can tell me. They are 
buried UNDER several other cards, including 2 more multiport sata-II 
cards holding now out of service raid10's. This mobo is filled up. A 
radio would be nice, 3d printers come with them now, but where would I 
put it? Video is mobo.

I'll probably do that when trixie is out, a year or so down the log if 
I'm still here then. By building a new machine.  Maybe by then wifi will 
be secure, it is sure not now when a neighbor with a hell fone can use 
60GB of my bandwidth a month w/o leaving a log.  That was not found 
until i had a new printer do a band scan and it showed up in my ipv4 
address block. I run a dhcpd with its hands well tied. It only reply's 
to known MAC addresses.  I run a level 3 time server just to service the 
rest of my machines but ntpsec does that regardless. Can't be stopped 
w/o megabytes of iptables entry's.

> You've got an NVME drive that's unused, I think, that you could put onto your
> motherboard. Bring your system to the minimum you can - disconnect the other
> drives for the meantime. Install Debian to that drive - standard, stable Debian.
>
> Gradually reinstate the other drives and potentially copy data across once
> you have a simple stable Debian 12.
>
> The 30 installs you did resulted in a whole stream of annoyed emails: that was
> almost entirely because you had a USB serial device. Simplify, simplify,
> simplify.
>
> If all else fails, get hold of a secondhand machine that you can use to
> troubleshoot problems like this rather than your main machine.
>
> All best, as ever,
>
> Andy Cater
> (amacater@debian.org)
>
>>> When I destabilize a system, my preferred solution is a backup,
>>> re-image, and restore cycle.  To make this solution possible, I have
>>> invested myself in disaster preparedness.  And, I must continue
>>> investing effort on a regular basis to keep it viable.
>>>
>>>
>>> When all I had was data backups, my best option was backup, wipe, fresh
>>> install, and restore.
>>>
>>>
>>> Things were truly scary before I had decent data backups.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you rebuild the computer as a hypervisor host (using the NVMe PCIe
>>> SSD) and a storage server (using the various SATA SSD's), you can do all
>>> the experimentation you want inside virtual machines. If a VM blows up,
>>> the base system keeps running and so do the other VM's.  This removes
>>> your current problem of "all of your eggs in one basket".  Also, a good
>>> hypervisor makes it easy to snapshot and revert VM's.  This facilitates
>>> disaster preparedness and disaster recovery for the VM's.  You would
>>> still need data backups; use the HDD's.
>>>
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> .

Thanks Andy, take care.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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FromDavid Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
Date2024-12-12 06:00 +0100
Message-ID<JSJsR-ggX2-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
In reply to#275552
On 12/11/24 17:42, gene heskett wrote:
> First, I don't own a wired mouse except the serial 
> interfaced one on my now dead from nearly 40 yo caps trs-80 color 
> computer 


I thought you ran a graphical desktop environment (?).  Doing so without 
a pointing device sounds like a lot of work.


If a lack of a pointing device causes d-i to install accessibility tools 
that you do not want, I suggest connecting a pointing device during 
installation.


> 3. So hooking that up would probably trigger the install of 
> orca and brltty despite specifically skipping by that question from the 
> installer.. IDK, haven't tried it. 


I have an older PS/2 VGA KVM switch with too many adapters.  The mouse 
and/or keyboard die periodically, and I must power cycle the right 
equipment to get them working again.  I run the Xfce desktop, and the 
KVM episodes do not trigger installation of accessibility software.


> Won't do this below either, because 
> putting it back together would be the equ of pulling a new mobo out of 
> the box and building it all up from scratch again. 


Yes.  Reduce complexity, document your work so that it is repeatable, 
and you will be in a much better position to troubleshoot any issues.


> Those 2 slots, rumor 
> has it only 1 will work, but which one?  No one can tell me. 


On 12/9/24 17:51, David Christensen wrote:
 >> 2.  Connect the 1 TB WD Black M.2 NVMe PCIe x4 SSD into motherboard
 >> slot M.2_1.


Please RTFM:

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-z370-a-ii/helpdesk_manual?model2Name=PRIME-Z370-A-II


> They are buried UNDER several other cards,


That should be removed during the next fresh install.


> Maybe by then wifi will 
> be secure, it is sure not now when a neighbor with a hell fone can use 
> 60GB of my bandwidth a month w/o leaving a log.  That was not found 
> until i had a new printer do a band scan and it showed up in my ipv4 
> address block.


Please configure your gateway and/or access points:

- Enable WPA2/WPA3 security and set a secure password.

- Enable MAC filtering, enter the MAC addresses of your devices, and 
block all other MAC addresses.


David

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