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Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze

From gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze
Date 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
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On 12/11/24 16:14, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 01:17:37AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
>>> installation is broken.  Given the complexity of your haystack, I expect
>>> finding and fixing the needle(s) would be time prohibitive.
>> It is indeed, David. The package managers apt and synaptic cannot find
>> anything wrong, and I should be on record as reporting that opening any
>> local file takes a minimum of 30 seconds to pop up the requester, during
>> which time the system is also locked.  I've installed some stuff folks have
>> suggested to no avail so I gave up wasting everybody's time and just put up
>> with it. memtest86 has toured the 32gigs several times but doesn't find
>> anything. Frustrating but apparently it hasn't bothered anyone else. It
>> would very helpful if something stuck up a hand or did the gotta pee dance
>> but in 2 years nothing has. Maybe its something leftover from ripping out
>> orca and brltty that I tried to stop by a fresh install around 30 times.
>> The installer put them in even when I said no.
> Gene,
>
> You make life difficult for yourself (and, coincidentally, for the rest of us
> who try to follow what you've done :) )

TL; DR

Which is nigh impossible, Andy, one of the reasons I quit harping on it, 
I finally realized that to most of you, I am the ultimate power user, 
making this machine do things that many don't understand.  I don't often 
think inside that famous box.  I read virtually every msg posted here, 
hoping to glean a clue to something I can check from someone else with a 
similar problem. First, I don't own a wired mouse except the serial 
interfaced one on my now dead from nearly 40 yo caps trs-80 color 
computer 3. So hooking that up would probably trigger the install of 
orca and brltty despite specifically skipping by that question from the 
installer.. IDK, haven't tried it. Won't do this below either, because 
putting it back together would be the equ of pulling a new mobo out of 
the box and building it all up from scratch again. Those 2 slots, rumor 
has it only 1 will work, but which one? No one can tell me. They are 
buried UNDER several other cards, including 2 more multiport sata-II 
cards holding now out of service raid10's. This mobo is filled up. A 
radio would be nice, 3d printers come with them now, but where would I 
put it? Video is mobo.

I'll probably do that when trixie is out, a year or so down the log if 
I'm still here then. By building a new machine.  Maybe by then wifi will 
be secure, it is sure not now when a neighbor with a hell fone can use 
60GB of my bandwidth a month w/o leaving a log.  That was not found 
until i had a new printer do a band scan and it showed up in my ipv4 
address block. I run a dhcpd with its hands well tied. It only reply's 
to known MAC addresses.  I run a level 3 time server just to service the 
rest of my machines but ntpsec does that regardless. Can't be stopped 
w/o megabytes of iptables entry's.

> You've got an NVME drive that's unused, I think, that you could put onto your
> motherboard. Bring your system to the minimum you can - disconnect the other
> drives for the meantime. Install Debian to that drive - standard, stable Debian.
>
> Gradually reinstate the other drives and potentially copy data across once
> you have a simple stable Debian 12.
>
> The 30 installs you did resulted in a whole stream of annoyed emails: that was
> almost entirely because you had a USB serial device. Simplify, simplify,
> simplify.
>
> If all else fails, get hold of a secondhand machine that you can use to
> troubleshoot problems like this rather than your main machine.
>
> All best, as ever,
>
> Andy Cater
> (amacater@debian.org)
>
>>> When I destabilize a system, my preferred solution is a backup,
>>> re-image, and restore cycle.  To make this solution possible, I have
>>> invested myself in disaster preparedness.  And, I must continue
>>> investing effort on a regular basis to keep it viable.
>>>
>>>
>>> When all I had was data backups, my best option was backup, wipe, fresh
>>> install, and restore.
>>>
>>>
>>> Things were truly scary before I had decent data backups.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you rebuild the computer as a hypervisor host (using the NVMe PCIe
>>> SSD) and a storage server (using the various SATA SSD's), you can do all
>>> the experimentation you want inside virtual machines. If a VM blows up,
>>> the base system keeps running and so do the other VM's.  This removes
>>> your current problem of "all of your eggs in one basket".  Also, a good
>>> hypervisor makes it easy to snapshot and revert VM's.  This facilitates
>>> disaster preparedness and disaster recovery for the VM's.  You would
>>> still need data backups; use the HDD's.
>>>
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> .

Thanks Andy, take care.

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
  - Louis D. Brandeis

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restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 16:00 +0100
  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-12-09 16:30 +0100
  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-09 20:50 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 22:40 +0100
  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-10 03:00 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-10 23:00 +0100
      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 05:10 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 06:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:00 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-16 00:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-16 18:10 +0100
      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 07:20 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bob McGowan <ramjr0915@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 08:00 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-11 22:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 06:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 09:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 18:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 19:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 19:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 21:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze eben@gmx.us - 2024-12-12 21:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 10:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 10:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze tomas@tuxteam.de - 2024-12-13 11:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 13:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 00:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 04:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 05:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 18:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 17:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:10 +0100
                SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
                Re: SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 14:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 23:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 15:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 17:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 17:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 21:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 17:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-13 18:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 19:30 +0100
                Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a  minute till next freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:00 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts  maybe aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:40 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts  maybe aminute till next freeze) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-13 19:50 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lastsmaybe  aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 09:00 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:50 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 22:30 +0100
                Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 23:30 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:10 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer  andassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 14:30 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer  andassistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 15:50 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re:  Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:10 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re:  Installerandassistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
                SOLVED Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS  Re:Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-15 15:30 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 19:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 23:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 07:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 17:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 16:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-15 10:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-14 20:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 18:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 19:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                Disabling orca (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next  freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 13:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 16:40 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 04:10 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-12 04:30 +0100

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