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Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze

From gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze
Date 2024-12-11 07:20 +0100
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On 12/10/24 21:01, David Christensen wrote:
> On 12/10/24 13:51, gene heskett wrote:
>> On 12/9/24 20:51, David Christensen wrote:
>>> On 12/9/24 06:59, gene heskett wrote:
>>> If your computer is crashing within a minute, consider printing this 
>>> e-mail. 
>> A: It didn't last long enough to even get this msg.
>
>
> Understood.
>
>
>> B: I dl'd the beta from the mozilla site, works differently but has 
>> not crashed in about 36 hours now. It didn't crash if the debian 
>> supplied version wasn't running so the dl was w/o excitement.
>
>
> On the one hand, I am glad the computer is no longer crashing.
>
>
> On the other hand, I expect that you will continue to use the computer 
> in the same way; and that you will not identify and fix root cause 
> issues.
>
>
>>> I assume the subject "restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze" 
>>> refers to your Asus PRIME Z370-A II desktop/ workstation/ storage 
>>> server computer (?).
>> Yes, its stable as long as the debian version of t-bird wasn't 
>> running, start it and it locked the system up while fetching the 
>> initial imap scan for new msgs.  I didn't track how many times I 
>> tried, 10 or more I guess.
>
>
> If official Debian packages cause your system to crash, then your 
> Debian installation is broken.  Given the complexity of your haystack, 
> I expect finding and fixing the needle(s) would be time prohibitive.
It is indeed, David. The package managers apt and synaptic cannot find 
anything wrong, and I should be on record as reporting that opening any 
local file takes a minimum of 30 seconds to pop up the requester, during 
which time the system is also locked.  I've installed some stuff folks 
have suggested to no avail so I gave up wasting everybody's time and 
just put up with it. memtest86 has toured the 32gigs several times but 
doesn't find anything. Frustrating but apparently it hasn't bothered 
anyone else. It would very helpful if something stuck up a hand or did 
the gotta pee dance but in 2 years nothing has. Maybe its something 
leftover from ripping out orca and brltty that I tried to stop by a 
fresh install around 30 times.  The installer put them in even when I 
said no.
>
>
> When I destabilize a system, my preferred solution is a backup, 
> re-image, and restore cycle.  To make this solution possible, I have 
> invested myself in disaster preparedness.  And, I must continue 
> investing effort on a regular basis to keep it viable.
>
>
> When all I had was data backups, my best option was backup, wipe, 
> fresh install, and restore.
>
>
> Things were truly scary before I had decent data backups.
>
>
> If you rebuild the computer as a hypervisor host (using the NVMe PCIe 
> SSD) and a storage server (using the various SATA SSD's), you can do 
> all the experimentation you want inside virtual machines. If a VM 
> blows up, the base system keeps running and so do the other VM's.  
> This removes your current problem of "all of your eggs in one 
> basket".  Also, a good hypervisor makes it easy to snapshot and revert 
> VM's.  This facilitates disaster preparedness and disaster recovery 
> for the VM's.  You would still need data backups; use the HDD's.
>
>
> David
>
> .

Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
-- 
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
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  - Louis D. Brandeis

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restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 16:00 +0100
  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-12-09 16:30 +0100
  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-09 20:50 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 22:40 +0100
  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-10 03:00 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-10 23:00 +0100
      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 05:10 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 06:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:00 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-16 00:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-16 18:10 +0100
      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 07:20 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bob McGowan <ramjr0915@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 08:00 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-11 22:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 06:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 09:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 18:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 19:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 19:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 21:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze eben@gmx.us - 2024-12-12 21:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 10:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 10:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze tomas@tuxteam.de - 2024-12-13 11:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 13:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 00:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 04:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 05:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 18:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 17:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:10 +0100
                SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
                Re: SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 14:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 23:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 15:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 17:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 17:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 21:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 17:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-13 18:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 19:30 +0100
                Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a  minute till next freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:00 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts  maybe aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:40 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts  maybe aminute till next freeze) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-13 19:50 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lastsmaybe  aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 09:00 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:50 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 22:30 +0100
                Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 23:30 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:10 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer  andassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 14:30 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer  andassistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 15:50 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re:  Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:10 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re:  Installerandassistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
                SOLVED Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS  Re:Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-15 15:30 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 19:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 23:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 07:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 17:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 16:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-15 10:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-14 20:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 18:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 19:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                Disabling orca (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next  freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 13:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 16:40 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 04:10 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-12 04:30 +0100

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