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  Re: relevance of packages in repositories Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-05-07 17:50 +0200
    Re: relevance of packages in repositories Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2023-05-07 21:00 +0200
      Re: relevance of packages in repositories Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2023-05-07 21:20 +0200
        Re: relevance of packages in repositories Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> - 2023-05-07 21:40 +0200
          Re: relevance of packages in repositories Oliver Schoede <oliver.schode@online.de> - 2023-05-08 07:20 +0200
        Re: relevance of packages in repositories Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-05-08 20:00 +0200
          Re: relevance of packages in repositories John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2023-05-08 21:10 +0200

#258034 — Re: relevance of packages in repositories

On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 7:30 AM Дмитрий <demonik_82@mail.ru> wrote:
>
> the stable version of Neodim 9.0 in debian 12 is the SEVENTH version, and in order to get the current version, you need to drag something like Homebrew, it really pisses you off and pushes you away from using the distribution

You might give Fedora a try. Its release cadence is every 6 months. At
each release, Fedora typically supplies the most current version of a
package.

You may find Fedora aligns better with your requirements.

Jeff

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#258038

On 5/7/23, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 7:30 AM Дмитрий wrote:
>>
>> the stable version of Neodim 9.0 in debian 12 is the SEVENTH version, and
>> in order to get the current version, you need to drag something like
>> Homebrew, it really pisses you off and pushes you away from using the
>> distribution
>
> You might give Fedora a try. Its release cadence is every 6 months. At
> each release, Fedora typically supplies the most current version of a
> package.
>
> You may find Fedora aligns better with your requirements.

How about Arch linux?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Linux
  Arch Linux is an independently developed, x86-64 general-purpose
Linux distribution that strives to provide the latest stable versions
of most software by following a rolling-release model.

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#258039

On Sun 07 May 2023 at 14:57:32 -0400, Lee wrote:

> On 5/7/23, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 7:30 AM Дмитрий wrote:
> >>
> >> the stable version of Neodim 9.0 in debian 12 is the SEVENTH version, and
> >> in order to get the current version, you need to drag something like
> >> Homebrew, it really pisses you off and pushes you away from using the
> >> distribution
> >
> > You might give Fedora a try. Its release cadence is every 6 months. At
> > each release, Fedora typically supplies the most current version of a
> > package.
> >
> > You may find Fedora aligns better with your requirements.
> 
> How about Arch linux?
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Linux
>   Arch Linux is an independently developed, x86-64 general-purpose
> Linux distribution that strives to provide the latest stable versions
> of most software by following a rolling-release model.

That sounds like a good descripttion of Debian unstable :).

-- 
Brian.

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#258040

Le 7 mai 2023 Brian a écrit :

>> > You might give Fedora a try. Its release cadence is every 6 months. At
>> > each release, Fedora typically supplies the most current version of a
>> > package.
>> >
>> > You may find Fedora aligns better with your requirements.
>> 
>> How about Arch linux?
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Linux
>>   Arch Linux is an independently developed, x86-64 general-purpose
>> Linux distribution that strives to provide the latest stable versions
>> of most software by following a rolling-release model.
>
> That sounds like a good descripttion of Debian unstable :).

And beside the fact we are on a debian forum, and that debian is much
better than fedora and arch linux, all this don't answer the main problem :
there is no package called neodim. If this is this neodim :

https://github.com/zbirenbaum/neodim

it's only 2 lua files implementing a plugin for neovim. So why bother
installing fedora or arch linux when you can easily download the 2 files
and put them in the right directory ?

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#258054

On Sun, 07 May 2023 21:36:32 +0200
Michel Verdier <mv524@free.fr> wrote:

>And beside the fact we are on a debian forum, and that debian is much
>better than fedora and arch linux, all this don't answer the main
>problem : there is no package called neodim. If this is this neodim :
>
>https://github.com/zbirenbaum/neodim

It was already concluded we're supposed to be talking about Neovim, the
versions match and let's not nail someone down on typos in a grumpy
one-off shot. Using niche forks of niche 1970s-based editors (don't!
I'm a die-hard vim user and I love the 70s) one should better be
prepared for all sorts of frustration and maybe learn to handle it more
gracefully. For once it doesn't even look so great across the board:

https://repology.org/project/neovim/versions

Debian isn't alone anyway. Yes, it gets more love in Arch, Fedora, and
the (still) remarkably focused Void. At least for now! Does
*everything* else you expect? The Gentoo-way you could walk right away,
also with Debian. Building yourself is always an option, sometimes the
only one, just don't drop it system-wide. Speaking of relevance and
neovim and with due qualifications Popcon remains instructive: vim
#1061 vs. neovim #6607, still clocking in higher than I would've
guessed, but that is after all those years (forked in 2015). Out of
curiosity is anyone at all on this list using Neovim? Main editor? Nah.

I'm far from a Debian bigot but there's better reason to dump a whole
distribution, and important as a specific editor can be other things
you might try before. Like getting in touch with the team, maybe you
can help somehow. The user list isn't made for this and most packages
are relevant.

Oliver

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#258079

On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 3:10 PM Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On Sun 07 May 2023 at 14:57:32 -0400, Lee wrote:
>
> > On 5/7/23, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > > On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 7:30 AM Дмитрий wrote:
> > >>
> > >> the stable version of Neodim 9.0 in debian 12 is the SEVENTH version, and
> > >> in order to get the current version, you need to drag something like
> > >> Homebrew, it really pisses you off and pushes you away from using the
> > >> distribution
> > >
> > > You might give Fedora a try. Its release cadence is every 6 months. At
> > > each release, Fedora typically supplies the most current version of a
> > > package.
> > >
> > > You may find Fedora aligns better with your requirements.
> >
> > How about Arch linux?
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Linux
> >   Arch Linux is an independently developed, x86-64 general-purpose
> > Linux distribution that strives to provide the latest stable versions
> > of most software by following a rolling-release model.
>
> That sounds like a good description of Debian unstable :).

Ustable does not get security updates by the Debian Security Team. If
you want timely security updates, then you have to look elsewhere.
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstall#Unstable .

But if Unstable works for him, then great.

Jeff

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#258080

Jeff writes:
> Unstable does not get security updates by the Debian Security Team. If
> you want timely security updates, then you have to look elsewhere.

In practice Unstable almost always gets security updates as quickly or
more quickly than Stable does.  Upstream usually only patches their
current release (or puts out a new release with the fix).  The Debian
maintainer then packages that and uploads it to Unstable while the
security team is backporting the fix to the version in stable.  
-- 
John Hasler 
john@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA

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