Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]

Groups > linux.debian.user > #238427 > unrolled thread

All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012

Back to article view | Back to linux.debian.user

Contents

  All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 16:20 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-10 16:40 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 16:50 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 18:20 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:10 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:50 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 20:20 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:50 +0200
                  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 08:10 +0200
                    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:20 +0200
                      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-08-11 12:50 +0200
                        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 09:30 +0200
                  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:40 +0200
                    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
                      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
                      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
                        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 15:00 +0200
                      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
                    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
                      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 16:10 +0200
                        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 16:30 +0200
                          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 17:00 +0200
                    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
                      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:50 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 17:10 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 17:20 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 20:00 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:30 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 13:40 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:30 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:20 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 09:40 +0200
          Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
            Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
              Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-11 12:30 +0200
                  Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
                    Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-12 17:50 +0200
                      Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-12 18:50 +0200
                        Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-12 19:20 +0200
                          Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 19:50 +0200
                          Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:50 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
                  Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
                    Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
                  Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Tony van der Hoff <lists@vanderhoff.org> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
                    Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-11 15:30 +0200
                      Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:50 +0200
                  Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
                  Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet  8012) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-08-11 17:50 +0200
                    Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet  8012) Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2021-08-11 21:00 +0200
            End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One  printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:00 +0200
              Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One  printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
                Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One  printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:20 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:10 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 21:30 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:40 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 00:30 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:00 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 12:40 +0200
                  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 13:10 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:10 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 20:50 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
                  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 23:50 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 07:10 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-13 07:30 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 08:20 +0200
                OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 08:50 +0200
                  Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
                    Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
                  Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
                    Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
                      Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-08-13 14:10 +0200
                    Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 14:00 +0200
              Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-13 09:10 +0200
                Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 10:00 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 18:20 +0200
              Meta: behavior on list Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-13 18:50 +0200
                Re: Meta: behavior on list Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
                  Re: Meta: behavior on list John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-13 19:40 +0200
                  Re: Meta: behavior on list Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 21:20 +0200
                Re: Meta: behavior on list The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
                Re: Meta: behavior on list Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 19:00 +0200
                  Re: Meta: behavior on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 19:20 +0200
                    [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2021-08-13 22:20 +0200
                      Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-13 23:10 +0200
                        Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:20 +0200
                          Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
                            Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
                              Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-14 00:00 +0200
                          Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-08-14 00:00 +0200
                        Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
                          Re: [OFFTOPIC] Punked was [Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 23:40 +0200
                        Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2021-08-14 01:20 +0200
                          Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-14 01:50 +0200
                          Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 02:30 +0200
                            Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 07:10 +0200
                      Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 08:30 +0200
                        Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) John Hasler <john@sugarbit.com> - 2021-08-14 14:40 +0200
                          Re: [OFFTOPIC] 1149 (was: lonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 14:50 +0200
                            Re: [OFFTOPIC] 1149 (was: lonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-14 15:20 +0200
                              Re: [OFFTOPIC] CoCo and oldies (was : 1149 (was: lonk / was: Meta:  behavior on list)) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 15:30 +0200
                          Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-14 15:00 +0200
                          Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-08-14 17:10 +0200
                            Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 21:10 +0200
                              Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 21:30 +0200
                                Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
                                  Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Marco Möller <talby@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
                              Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-14 22:00 +0200
                                Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 22:00 +0200
                                Re: [OFFTOPIC] Plonk (wss: Meta: behavior on list) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 23:30 +0200
                Re: Meta: behavior on list deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 22:40 +0200
                Re: Meta: behavior on list "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2021-08-14 13:00 +0200
                  Re: Meta: behavior on list <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-14 14:10 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 11:20 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 14:20 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:40 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:30 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 13:20 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:20 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 15:30 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:50 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 16:00 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 18:10 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 19:40 +0200
    HP plat fair with drivers? Keith Bainbridge <ke1thrboz@gmx.com> - 2021-08-14 11:20 +0200
      Re: HP plat fair with drivers? Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2021-08-14 18:20 +0200

Page 2 of 7 — ← Prev page 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7  Next page →

#238514

On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 12:00:51 -0000, Curt wrote:

> On 2021-08-11, Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> >> 
> >> When, eventually, all HP printers run driverless _and_ no no-driverless
> >> printer exist 'in the wild', yes.  Until then, I'd expect HPLIP to
> >> remain.  Debian is, after all, about choice.
> >
> > The condition you lay down in the first sentence is not a factor in
> > determining whether Debian packages HPLIP. HPLIP uses PPDs and drivers;
> > a future CUPS will not work with PPDs and drivers. The choice will be
> > to have a working printing system using driverless or a non-working
> > printing system.
> >
> 
> Will I have to toss my trusty Brother HL-2030, brother? Fork Cups, I
> guess, and full speed ahead.

This is a PostScript printer and catered for in Debian by a free driver,
if I am not mistaken. You will be provided with a Printer Application to
use.

  https://openprinting.github.io/documentation/01-printer-application/

Users who are have non-free Brother drivers will have to wait on the
vendor to distribute a (presumably non-free) Printer Application.

Incidentally, CUPS is already forked at OpenPrinting. That is why we are
going in the direction we are :).

-- 
Brian.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238507

Le 11/08/2021 à 12:36, Brian a écrit :
> On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 08:19:37 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 19:54:23 +0100
>> Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Brian,
>>
>>> As I've said previously, a future CUPS will not support printer drivers.
>>> HPLIP provides printer drivers. There will be little point in Debian
>>> packaging HPLIP, wouldn't you agree? But this is a few years away.
>>
>> When, eventually, all HP printers run driverless _and_ no no-driverless
>> printer exist 'in the wild', yes.  Until then, I'd expect HPLIP to
>> remain.  Debian is, after all, about choice.
> 
> The condition you lay down in the first sentence is not a factor in
> determining whether Debian packages HPLIP. HPLIP uses PPDs and drivers;
> a future CUPS will not work with PPDs and drivers. The choice will be
> to have a working printing system using driverless or a non-working
> printing system.
> 

Or to have a non working printing solution because the new one does not 
cover the full range pof printing setups. Autodiscovery is good when 
possible, but removing any possibility not to use it is a fault, when 
autodiscovery does not work. I hope before cups is made unable to use 
PPD, the driverless system is made able to be given remote printers 
adresses and capabilities (also thinking to old printers which do not 
advertise capabilities the way you want).

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238524

On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 14:15:49 +0200, Erwan David wrote:

> Le 11/08/2021 à 12:36, Brian a écrit :
> > On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 08:19:37 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 19:54:23 +0100
> > > Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hello Brian,
> > > 
> > > > As I've said previously, a future CUPS will not support printer drivers.
> > > > HPLIP provides printer drivers. There will be little point in Debian
> > > > packaging HPLIP, wouldn't you agree? But this is a few years away.
> > > 
> > > When, eventually, all HP printers run driverless _and_ no no-driverless
> > > printer exist 'in the wild', yes.  Until then, I'd expect HPLIP to
> > > remain.  Debian is, after all, about choice.
> > 
> > The condition you lay down in the first sentence is not a factor in
> > determining whether Debian packages HPLIP. HPLIP uses PPDs and drivers;
> > a future CUPS will not work with PPDs and drivers. The choice will be
> > to have a working printing system using driverless or a non-working
> > printing system.
> > 
> 
> Or to have a non working printing solution because the new one does not
> cover the full range pof printing setups. Autodiscovery is good when
> possible, but removing any possibility not to use it is a fault, when
> autodiscovery does not work. I hope before cups is made unable to use PPD,
> the driverless system is made able to be given remote printers adresses and
> capabilities (also thinking to old printers which do not advertise
> capabilities the way you want).

Regarding autodiscovery not being a suitable technique: perhaps the
final item on page 22 at

  https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/liaison/openprinting/presentations/cups-plenary-may-2021.pdf

will help.

The point of "profiles" is to provide a simple way for enterprises to
configure/deploy IPP Everywhere queues (pointed at real printers, a
central CUPS server, etc.) when mDNS/DNS-SD isn't feasible.

-- 
Brian

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238525

Le 11/08/2021 à 16:01, Brian a écrit :

> The point of "profiles" is to provide a simple way for enterprises to
> configure/deploy IPP Everywhere queues (pointed at real printers, a
> central CUPS server, etc.) when mDNS/DNS-SD isn't feasible.
> 

In most enterprises, it will be "you want linux ? Ok, but do not ask 
anything, and if you cannit print, just use windows".

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238528

On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 16:28:04 +0200, Erwan David wrote:

> Le 11/08/2021 à 16:01, Brian a écrit :
> 
> > The point of "profiles" is to provide a simple way for enterprises to
> > configure/deploy IPP Everywhere queues (pointed at real printers, a
> > central CUPS server, etc.) when mDNS/DNS-SD isn't feasible.
> > 
> 
> In most enterprises, it will be "you want linux ? Ok, but do not ask
> anything, and if you cannit print, just use windows".

You have a legitimate concern that a user may not be on the same
network as the printer(s) he may want to contact. That's of concenn
with CUPS 2.3 and has been addressed elsewhere in this thead. The
link I gave should allay any worries that the issue will not be
tackled in a future CUPS 3.0.

How an enterprise treats its Linux-using employees or visitors is
not within the scope of CUPS.

-- 
Brian.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238508

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 11:36:40 +0100
Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:

Hello Brian,

>a future CUPS will not work with PPDs and driver

Indeed, you mentioned that previously (I'd forgotten already).  However,
checking the github post you cite in another message (to this list), it
would appear apple are putting in place mechanisms whereby affected
printers will continue to useable in the new version of CUPS.

So not as bad a picture as it at first appears.

-- 
 Regards  _
         / )      "The blindingly obvious is never immediately apparent"
        / _)rad   "Is it only me that has a working delete key?"
It's only bits of plastic, lines projected on the wall
Keep It Clean - The Vibrators

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238516

On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 12:39:46 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Aug 2021 11:36:40 +0100
> Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello Brian,
> 
> >a future CUPS will not work with PPDs and driver
> 
> Indeed, you mentioned that previously (I'd forgotten already).  However,
> checking the github post you cite in another message (to this list), it
> would appear apple are putting in place mechanisms whereby affected
> printers will continue to useable in the new version of CUPS.

Apple aren't putting anything in place; OpenPrinting is. Apple ceased
to maintain CUPS some time ago.

   https://openprinting.github.io/documentation/01-printer-application/
 
> So not as bad a picture as it at first appears.

For free drivers, indeed not. We will have to wait and see how vendors
of non-free drivers respond.

Note that I did not say that HP's printing software would not be
available in the future.

-- 
Brian.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238431

On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 16:14:38 +0200, Nicolas George wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A.
> 
> Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly
> play fair about Libre drivers, and their ink is too expensive but not
> insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 8012 seems the most interesting available
> at my preferred vendor (LDLC).

Over the years HP has been a stalwart supporter of Linix printing and
imaging via HPLIP. However, any *modern* MFD made by HP supports a
driverless printing environment such as the one Debian provides. HPLIP
is, in fact, redundant with a modern MFD.

> As far as I can see, it would be supported through driverless printing
> and sane-hpaio. Am I mistaken?

You are not mistaken. But not only Does Debian provide driverless
printing but it also provides driverless scanning via SANE and, in
addition, the sane-airscan package. sane-airscan is in bullseye and
in buster-bacports.

> The vendor has other models has other models by Epson, Canon and
> Brother. I remember these brands have caused trouble to users of Libre
> software, unlike HP who develops its own Libre tools. I want to buy
> according to my ethics. Has one of them turned its policy around enough
> to warrant considering it?

Whatever has been said above also applies to to any other *modern*
device from these vendors.

> Is there any other remark you may want to do about it?

CUPS will cease to support drivers and PPDs in the coming years. Users
may as well come to terms with driverless printing. HPLIP and other
vendor drivers will not have any place in a future CUPS. 

-- 
Brian.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238433

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

Brian (12021-08-10):
> Over the years HP has been a stalwart supporter of Linix printing and
> imaging via HPLIP. However, any *modern* MFD made by HP supports a
> driverless printing environment such as the one Debian provides. HPLIP
> is, in fact, redundant with a modern MFD.

> You are not mistaken. But not only Does Debian provide driverless
> printing but it also provides driverless scanning via SANE and, in
> addition, the sane-airscan package. sane-airscan is in bullseye and
> in buster-bacports.

> Whatever has been said above also applies to to any other *modern*
> device from these vendors.

> CUPS will cease to support drivers and PPDs in the coming years. Users
> may as well come to terms with driverless printing. HPLIP and other
> vendor drivers will not have any place in a future CUPS. 

Thank you for these very helpful general informations, and thanks to
Brad for the specific information about the particular model.

About Brother: the only model worth considering for us is the
DCP-J1200DW, and it is only a little cheaper than the HP, and the
characteristics of the HP are a little better, including double-sided
printing which is not necessary for our use but still a nice thing to
have.

Considering that AFAIK Brother is more reputed for its laser printers
than for all-in-one inkjets and that I want to recompense being a
stalwart supporter of Linux printing, I think I will stay with the HP.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238445

Le 10/08/2021 à 16:59, Brian a écrit :
>
> CUPS will cease to support drivers and PPDs in the coming years. Users
> may as well come to terms with driverless printing. HPLIP and other
> vendor drivers will not have any place in a future CUPS. 
>

Do you have some pointers to what we must do to use this driverless
printing and scanning ?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238454

On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 19:56:21 +0200, Erwan David wrote:

> Le 10/08/2021 à 16:59, Brian a écrit :
> >
> > CUPS will cease to support drivers and PPDs in the coming years. Users
> > may as well come to terms with driverless printing. HPLIP and other
> > vendor drivers will not have any place in a future CUPS. 
> >
> 
> Do you have some pointers to what we must do to use this driverless
> printing and scanning ?

You could read our wiki.

-- 
Brian.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238489

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

Hi,

On 2021-08-10 1:56 p.m., Erwan David wrote:
> Le 10/08/2021 à 16:59, Brian a écrit :
>>
>> CUPS will cease to support drivers and PPDs in the coming years. Users
>> may as well come to terms with driverless printing. HPLIP and other
>> vendor drivers will not have any place in a future CUPS. 
>>
> 
> Do you have some pointers to what we must do to use this driverless
> printing and scanning ?
> 
> 
Driverless printing mostly means that you are using a printer that
support autodiscovery with IPP (internet print protocol) and accept
directly format such as PDF or JPEG.

One example of such type of implementation would be Mopria (and many others)

Here's a example of such specification
https://mopria.org/spec-download

Mopria is nothing else than IPP with Bonjour discovery support.

As a example, my printer can be used with USB. In this case, CUPS will
detect it and suggest a driver (or use the generic driverless based on
PDF/PCL/PS).

If I choose network discovery when adding a new printer, I'll see many
printer found (even if I got only one on the network). It will say
"Internet Print Protocol (driverless)" with different options like PDF/PCL.

I doubt that driver will really be gone as printer have specific options
like the number of drawer, the precision (DPI) and much more.

Often I've read "XYZ will have no place in the future" but still is
being used today and has even grown.

Driverless is somewhat a euphemism for generic. As a example, most USB
mouse are considered *driverless* but the reality is more that they use
the generic USB driver. Same goes for USB webcam that are sold as
*driverless* but use the USB Video driver.
> 

Hope this help

If you want more information or a screenshot of the add printer screen
on CUPS with the list of *driverless* printer found. Then I'll be glad
to do my best to help you out.

Don't hesitate.

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238501

On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 04:21:06 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:

[...]

> I doubt that driver will really be gone as printer have specific options
> like the number of drawer, the precision (DPI) and much more.
> 
> Often I've read "XYZ will have no place in the future" but still is
> being used today and has even grown.

All the code supporting drivers and PPDs will be removed from a future
CUPS. It's as simple as that.

  https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/103

> Driverless is somewhat a euphemism for generic. As a example, most USB
> mouse are considered *driverless* but the reality is more that they use
> the generic USB driver. Same goes for USB webcam that are sold as
> *driverless* but use the USB Video driver.

Driverless printing should be understood in the context of the
client system. A laptop (or iOS/Android phone) moves between
different locations. If using a legacy printing system, there
would need to be new drivers installed and new print queues set
up to match the different printers encountered.

A driver printing system does not need to go though any of the
above contortions. From the point of view of the client, printing
just works. I suppose we could call it a "non-vendor driver and
PPD-less system", but that is a bit of a mouthful :).

-- 
Brian.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238466

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

Hi,

On 2021-08-10 10:14 a.m., Nicolas George wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A.
> 
> Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly
> play fair about Libre drivers, and their ink is too expensive but not
> insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 8012 seems the most interesting available
> at my preferred vendor (LDLC).
> 
> As far as I can see, it would be supported through driverless printing
> and sane-hpaio. Am I mistaken?
> 
> The vendor has other models has other models by Epson, Canon and
> Brother. I remember these brands have caused trouble to users of Libre
> software, unlike HP who develops its own Libre tools. I want to buy
> according to my ethics. Has one of them turned its policy around enough
> to warrant considering it?
> 
> Is there any other remark you may want to do about it?
> 
I'm using a Xerox B205 MFC and it's fully supported. Yes it's laser but
the reason I am writing this message regard something else.

It's the support of MOPRIA.
Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery
and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP
endpoint that support PostScript, PCL and PDF, all depending on the
printer but at least one of them). Regarding the scanner, it will
support sending by email thru the use of a SMTP server account.

So I think we can say these devices will be supported by Linux (and Debian).

Here's the link for Mopria association.

https://mopria.org/certified-products

Even if my model is not listed there (B205), on the Xerox website it
says that it's supported.

> (If your remark is along the lines: "not inkjet, laser" or "not
> all-in-one, separate devices", save your time, I have already heard the
> arguments and I know the constraints I am working with.)
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
Hope this shine a light to something nice to be investigated.
> Regards,
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238477

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-10):
> It's the support of MOPRIA.
> Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery
> and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP
> endpoint that support PostScript, PCL and PDF, all depending on the
> printer but at least one of them). Regarding the scanner, it will
> support sending by email thru the use of a SMTP server account.

Thanks for the pointer. There is a little information about it on the
Debian websites, but very little. Wait and see.

PS: there was a "Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org" header in the
mail you were replying to. In the future, please do not override
reply-to headers, they are there for a reason.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238479

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

Hi,

On 2021-08-11 3:13 a.m., Nicolas George wrote:
> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-10):
>> It's the support of MOPRIA.
>> Even if it's mostly made for Android, what it does is offer a discovery
>> and printing protocol compatible with all CUPS system (will publish IP
>> endpoint that support PostScript, PCL and PDF, all depending on the
>> printer but at least one of them). Regarding the scanner, it will
>> support sending by email thru the use of a SMTP server account.
> 
> Thanks for the pointer. There is a little information about it on the
> Debian websites, but very little. Wait and see.
Wait and see ?
Why would I wait for something ? And see what ?

I'm totally happy with my system and don't have any problem using any
*Mopria* supported printer on my network. And same applies for the use
of scanning too.

> 
> PS: there was a "Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org" header in the
> mail you were replying to. In the future, please do not override
> reply-to headers, they are there for a reason.
> 
On the debian-user mailing list there's many time that a user will send
mail to the list without being a subscriber. This is the reason why I'll
send the answer back on both the list and the user's email.

You can use a forwarding address for return or other methods if you want
to keep your anonymity or avoid getting email from outside.

Sorry if this annoyed yourself but a long time Debian user of this
mailing list, who could also be considered "part of Debian" gave me the
hint of replying directly to the user when it comes to this mailing list.

I will mostly continue to do so.

I am totally aware of the use of headers. I simply hit *reply* in my
mail client. Yes, I could have used *reply to list* and add the user's
email as carbon copy (*CC*).

> Regards,
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238480 — Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-11):
> Sorry if this annoyed yourself but a long time Debian user of this
> mailing list, who could also be considered "part of Debian" gave me the
> hint of replying directly to the user when it comes to this mailing list.

That was wrong. Do not do it. 

"When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon
copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be
copied."

https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/

> I am totally aware of the use of headers. I simply hit *reply* in my
> mail client.

Either you did something else for my e-mail or your mail client is
bogus. I specifically configured my headers to avoid a double reply, the
same way most mailing-lists are configured to do automatically.

-- 
  Nicolas George

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238481 — Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)

On 8/11/21, Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote:
> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-11):
>> Sorry if this annoyed yourself but a long time Debian user of this
>> mailing list, who could also be considered "part of Debian" gave me the
>> hint of replying directly to the user when it comes to this mailing list.
>
> That was wrong. Do not do it.
>
> "When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon
> copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be
> copied."
>
> https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
>
>> I am totally aware of the use of headers. I simply hit *reply* in my
>> mail client.
>
> Either you did something else for my e-mail or your mail client is
> bogus. I specifically configured my headers to avoid a double reply, the
> same way most mailing-lists are configured to do automatically.


Gmail handled it properly just now...

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238484 — Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)

[Multipart message — attachments visible in raw view] — view raw

Hi,

On 2021-08-11 3:49 a.m., Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> On 8/11/21, Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> wrote:
>> Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside (12021-08-11):
>>> Sorry if this annoyed yourself but a long time Debian user of this
>>> mailing list, who could also be considered "part of Debian" gave me the
>>> hint of replying directly to the user when it comes to this mailing list.
>>
>> That was wrong. Do not do it.
>>
>> "When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a carbon
>> copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request to be
>> copied."
>>
>> https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
>>
>>> I am totally aware of the use of headers. I simply hit *reply* in my
>>> mail client.
>>
>> Either you did something else for my e-mail or your mail client is
>> bogus. I specifically configured my headers to avoid a double reply, the
>> same way most mailing-lists are configured to do automatically.
> 
> 
> Gmail handled it properly just now...
Well haven't you read what he said ?
Gmail must be *wrong* because Nicolas George said "That was wrong".

So this must be so bad and so painful to receive a message in his mailbox.

Probably he doesn't know what's a forward or alias mailbox that you can
destroy when tired of receiving email or simply ignoring a message.

I delete at least 20 unwanted message a day, some are list that I'm
registered to but not all messages are useful. And I don't make a case
out of it.

As I said in my message, I don't normally answer directly to messages
but when it is a first time I exchange with a user, as I don't know if
he's on the list or not (people can post without being registered). Then
I'll send a CC message.

Seems like kindness or understanding on the flexibility or some rules
are hard to understand.

I've got told it is okay to act this way on this list because of the
number of user who post without being subscriber.

I don't remember the name but it is the person who write the FAQ and
post monthly reminder of the rules on this list. So I take his words as
pretty much good.

> 
> Cindy :)
> 

-- 
Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
-Be smart, Be wise, Support opensource development

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#238495 — Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)

On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 04:02:14AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote:
>Seems like kindness or understanding on the flexibility or some rules
>are hard to understand.
>
>I've got told it is okay to act this way on this list because of the
>number of user who post without being subscriber.

I'm not sure who told you that either, but they are wrong. The mailing
list rules say so (Nicolas quoted the relevant rule above and provided
the URI).

It's easy to make mistakes, and people who aren't used to mailing lists
might not know the conventions or how to use their tools properly, so
it's only reasonable for this rule to be lenient, to allow for beginners
to catch up and learn.

But once one knows the rules, and once one knows how to use the tools,
there's no excuse not to abide by the mailing list rules.


-- 
Please do not CC me for listmail.

👱🏻	Jonathan Dowland
✎	 jmtd@debian.org
🔗	https://jmtd.net

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

Page 2 of 7 — ← Prev page 1 [2] 3 4 5 6 7  Next page →

Back to top | Article view | linux.debian.user

csiph-web