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Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012

From Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012
Date 2021-08-10 17:10 +0200
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On Tue 10 Aug 2021 at 16:14:38 +0200, Nicolas George wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> We need to replace an all-in-one printer-scanner, a HP Deskjet 3054A.
> 
> Based on past experience, I am favoring HP, because AFAIK they mostly
> play fair about Libre drivers, and their ink is too expensive but not
> insanely so. The HP OfficeJet 8012 seems the most interesting available
> at my preferred vendor (LDLC).

Over the years HP has been a stalwart supporter of Linix printing and
imaging via HPLIP. However, any *modern* MFD made by HP supports a
driverless printing environment such as the one Debian provides. HPLIP
is, in fact, redundant with a modern MFD.

> As far as I can see, it would be supported through driverless printing
> and sane-hpaio. Am I mistaken?

You are not mistaken. But not only Does Debian provide driverless
printing but it also provides driverless scanning via SANE and, in
addition, the sane-airscan package. sane-airscan is in bullseye and
in buster-bacports.

> The vendor has other models has other models by Epson, Canon and
> Brother. I remember these brands have caused trouble to users of Libre
> software, unlike HP who develops its own Libre tools. I want to buy
> according to my ethics. Has one of them turned its policy around enough
> to warrant considering it?

Whatever has been said above also applies to to any other *modern*
device from these vendors.

> Is there any other remark you may want to do about it?

CUPS will cease to support drivers and PPDs in the coming years. Users
may as well come to terms with driverless printing. HPLIP and other
vendor drivers will not have any place in a future CUPS. 

-- 
Brian.

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All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 16:20 +0200
  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-10 16:40 +0200
  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 16:50 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 18:20 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:10 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:50 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 20:20 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:50 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 08:10 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:20 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-08-11 12:50 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 09:30 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:40 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 15:00 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 16:10 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 16:30 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 17:00 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:50 +0200
  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 17:10 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 17:20 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 20:00 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:30 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 13:40 +0200
  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:30 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:20 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 09:40 +0200
        Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
          Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
            Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
              Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-11 12:30 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-12 17:50 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-12 18:50 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-12 19:20 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 19:50 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:50 +0200
              Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
              Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Tony van der Hoff <lists@vanderhoff.org> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-11 15:30 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:50 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet  8012) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-08-11 17:50 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet  8012) Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2021-08-11 21:00 +0200
          End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One  printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:00 +0200
            Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One  printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
              Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One  printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:20 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:10 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 21:30 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:40 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 00:30 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:00 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 12:40 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 13:10 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:10 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 20:50 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 23:50 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 07:10 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-13 07:30 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 08:20 +0200
              OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 08:50 +0200
                Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
                Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
                Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
                Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
                Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-08-13 14:10 +0200
                Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 14:00 +0200
            Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-13 09:10 +0200
              Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 10:00 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 18:20 +0200
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          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 11:20 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 14:20 +0200
  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:40 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:30 +0200
  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 13:20 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:20 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 15:30 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:50 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 16:00 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 18:10 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 19:40 +0200
  HP plat fair with drivers? Keith Bainbridge <ke1thrboz@gmx.com> - 2021-08-14 11:20 +0200
    Re: HP plat fair with drivers? Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2021-08-14 18:20 +0200

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