Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012

From	Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012
Date	2021-08-11 16:10 +0200
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On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 14:15:49 +0200, Erwan David wrote:

> Le 11/08/2021 à 12:36, Brian a écrit :
> > On Wed 11 Aug 2021 at 08:19:37 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 19:54:23 +0100
> > > Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hello Brian,
> > > 
> > > > As I've said previously, a future CUPS will not support printer drivers.
> > > > HPLIP provides printer drivers. There will be little point in Debian
> > > > packaging HPLIP, wouldn't you agree? But this is a few years away.
> > > 
> > > When, eventually, all HP printers run driverless _and_ no no-driverless
> > > printer exist 'in the wild', yes.  Until then, I'd expect HPLIP to
> > > remain.  Debian is, after all, about choice.
> > 
> > The condition you lay down in the first sentence is not a factor in
> > determining whether Debian packages HPLIP. HPLIP uses PPDs and drivers;
> > a future CUPS will not work with PPDs and drivers. The choice will be
> > to have a working printing system using driverless or a non-working
> > printing system.
> > 
> 
> Or to have a non working printing solution because the new one does not
> cover the full range pof printing setups. Autodiscovery is good when
> possible, but removing any possibility not to use it is a fault, when
> autodiscovery does not work. I hope before cups is made unable to use PPD,
> the driverless system is made able to be given remote printers adresses and
> capabilities (also thinking to old printers which do not advertise
> capabilities the way you want).

Regarding autodiscovery not being a suitable technique: perhaps the
final item on page 22 at

  https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/liaison/openprinting/presentations/cups-plenary-may-2021.pdf

will help.

The point of "profiles" is to provide a simple way for enterprises to
configure/deploy IPP Everywhere queues (pointed at real printers, a
central CUPS server, etc.) when mDNS/DNS-SD isn't feasible.

-- 
Brian

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All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 16:20 +0200
  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-10 16:40 +0200
  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 16:50 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 18:20 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:10 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 19:50 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-10 20:20 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:50 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 08:10 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:20 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2021-08-11 12:50 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 09:30 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 12:40 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:10 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 15:00 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 16:10 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-11 16:30 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 17:00 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:20 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 14:50 +0200
  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 17:10 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-10 17:20 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Erwan David <erwan@rail.eu.org> - 2021-08-10 20:00 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-10 21:00 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:30 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 13:40 +0200
  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:30 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:20 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 09:40 +0200
        Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
          Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Cindy Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2021-08-11 09:50 +0200
            Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
              Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-11 12:30 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:40 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Jonathan Dowland <jon+debian-user@dow.land> - 2021-08-12 17:50 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-12 18:50 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-12 19:20 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 19:50 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:50 +0200
              Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
              Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2021-08-11 13:30 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Tony van der Hoff <lists@vanderhoff.org> - 2021-08-11 14:30 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2021-08-11 15:30 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-11 15:50 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012) Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2021-08-11 15:40 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet  8012) Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2021-08-11 17:50 +0200
                Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet  8012) Bob Bernstein <poobah@ruptured-duck.com> - 2021-08-11 21:00 +0200
          End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One  printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:00 +0200
            Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One  printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-11 10:10 +0200
              Re: End of the line [ was Re: Reply configuration (was: All-in-One  printer: HP OfficeJet 8012)] Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 10:20 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:10 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-12 21:30 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-12 21:40 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 00:30 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:00 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 12:40 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 13:10 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 01:10 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 20:50 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-14 21:40 +0200
                Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 23:50 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 07:10 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2021-08-13 07:30 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 08:20 +0200
              OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 08:50 +0200
                Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
                Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 09:00 +0200
                Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 rhkramer@gmail.com - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
                Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 deloptes <emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org> - 2021-08-13 13:50 +0200
                Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 ellanios82 <ellanios82@gmail.com> - 2021-08-13 14:10 +0200
                Re: OFFTOPIC Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 14:00 +0200
            Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2021-08-13 09:10 +0200
              Re: Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2021-08-13 10:00 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-13 18:20 +0200
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          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 11:20 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 12:20 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-14 14:20 +0200
  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside <debian@polynamaude.com> - 2021-08-11 00:40 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-11 20:30 +0200
  Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 13:20 +0200
    Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:20 +0200
      Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 15:30 +0200
        Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 15:50 +0200
          Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2021-08-13 16:00 +0200
            Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2021-08-13 18:10 +0200
              Re: All-in-One printer: HP OfficeJet 8012 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2021-08-13 19:40 +0200
  HP plat fair with drivers? Keith Bainbridge <ke1thrboz@gmx.com> - 2021-08-14 11:20 +0200
    Re: HP plat fair with drivers? Kushal Kumaran <kushal@locationd.net> - 2021-08-14 18:20 +0200

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