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| Started by | Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> |
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| First post | 2020-12-08 16:30 +0100 |
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SanDisk USB stick problem Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2020-12-08 16:30 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem steve <dlist@bluewin.ch> - 2020-12-08 16:50 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2020-12-08 20:50 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem l0f4r0@tuta.io - 2020-12-08 16:50 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-12-08 17:00 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2020-12-08 20:50 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-12-08 22:20 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-12-08 22:30 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-12-08 23:10 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-12-09 00:00 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-12-09 00:40 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-12-08 23:20 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem "James H. H. Lampert" <jamesl@touchtonecorp.com> - 2020-12-08 23:30 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 09:10 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-12-09 10:00 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2020-12-09 10:20 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-12-09 12:20 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 22:20 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-12-09 22:30 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 22:40 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-12-09 23:20 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2020-12-08 23:50 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2020-12-09 02:10 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Pankaj Jangid <pankaj@codeisgreat.org> - 2020-12-09 10:20 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Mike McClain <mike.junk.46@att.net> - 2020-12-09 02:10 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2020-12-08 17:00 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-12-08 17:00 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2020-12-09 05:40 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 11:30 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 19:40 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-12-09 20:20 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-12-09 21:30 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-12-09 21:40 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2020-12-10 09:30 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-12-10 09:40 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2020-12-10 10:00 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2020-12-10 10:10 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-12-10 11:00 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2020-12-10 11:20 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-12-10 14:20 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2020-12-10 20:10 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2020-12-10 10:20 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-12-10 13:50 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-12-10 09:20 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2020-12-10 18:40 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2020-12-10 20:10 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-12-10 09:20 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem [solved] Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> - 2020-12-09 20:30 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem [solved] Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-12-09 20:50 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem [solved] Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-12-09 21:30 +0100
Re: SanDisk USB stick problem [solved] Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-12-10 10:10 +0100
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-12-09 23:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BkfYt-8iu-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229591 |
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On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 03:35:16PM -0600, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, 3:28 PM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote: > > > ....... > > > > > Instead I took it as a criticism of background processes in our society > > and > > > economy: mass-marketing and lack-of-choice (ineffective but enforced > > > product buy-in, in this case). > > > > We are in violent agreement, then :) > > > > I just noticed that I called them "background processes" :-) > You see, computing is a slowly-progressing disease :-) > > Wouldn't it be more accurate to call those "Ring 0" processes or some such? > Just a thought. > What would Herr Doktor Karl Marx say? Dialectical processes, I guess ;-P (Ok, ok, I'll stop now). Cheers - t
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| From | Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-12-08 23:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BjTXY-30a-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229492 |
On Tue, 2020-12-08 at 16:21 -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > > Others have suggested reformatting, but maybe a more > > > > constructive path > > > > forward is to return the bugger, complaining that it doesn't > > > > work. > > > > That seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face. > > Presumably > > the stick was bought for some purpose. > > If you never complain&return those products broken-by-design, the > companies will keep bringing them to the market. But in this case the product isn't broken. The bundled Windows security software on the USB stick is a red herring, it certainly doesn't 'break' the USB stick. The OPs problem is he's trying to chown something on a FAT filesystem, and the FAT format doesn't have the concept of different ownership. Linux just sets an owner for the whole filesystem when it is mounted, so to have different owner you would need to mount it differently. (Don't ask me how, my GUI just mounts removable media when I click on it with ownership by me, which is what I want). -- Tixy
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| From | Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> |
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| Date | 2020-12-09 02:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BjW9r-4uu-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229492 |
On 12/8/20 2:21 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>>> Others have suggested reformatting, but maybe a more constructive path >>>> forward is to return the bugger, complaining that it doesn't work. >> >> That seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Presumably >> the stick was bought for some purpose. > > If you never complain&return those products broken-by-design, the > companies will keep bringing them to the market. > > > Stefan > I agree but taking something that doesn't work back to Walmart or other large company won't inform the manufacturer about the problem. Walmart is going to throw it in the trash. Best regards, Fred
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| From | Pankaj Jangid <pankaj@codeisgreat.org> |
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| Date | 2020-12-09 10:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Bk3NF-TL-25@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229507 |
Fred <fred@blakemfg.com> writes: >> If you never complain&return those products broken-by-design, the >> companies will keep bringing them to the market. >> Stefan >> > I agree but taking something that doesn't work back to Walmart or > other large company won't inform the manufacturer about the problem. > Walmart is going to throw it in the trash. May be or may be not. We can't say. But every deviation from the normal process is a big hassle for everyone in the supplychain. Imagine driving in the wrong direction. Everyone feels the pain.
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| From | Mike McClain <mike.junk.46@att.net> |
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| Date | 2020-12-09 02:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BjW9s-4uu-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229472 |
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:53:16AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I bought a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB stick. The fine print on the package > > says it has SecureAccess software. It is so secure it prevents me from > > writing to it without running the included Bill Gates cancerous, virus > > infested, scourge of the Earth software. <snip> > > Is there any way to disable or remove the SecureAccess software? > rm * worked for me as root > Others have suggested reformatting, but maybe a more constructive path > forward is to return the bugger, complaining that it doesn't work. > Be sure they have a replacement before returning it. I sent back 2 of their flash drives, different model, that were running too hot to touch. They replaced 1 then said no more available and that was a couple of months ago. Be well, Mike -- Your talent is God's gift to you. What you do with it is your gift back to God.
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| From | Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> |
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| Date | 2020-12-08 17:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BjNzc-7fk-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229468 |
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 08:29:47AM -0700, Fred wrote: > Hello, > > I bought a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB stick. The fine print on the package > says it has SecureAccess software. It is so secure it prevents me from > writing to it without running the included Bill Gates cancerous, virus > infested, scourge of the Earth software.a Calm down! > > fred@ragnok:/media/usb0$ ls -l > total 8416 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Jul 9 2018 SanDiskSecureAccess > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8600360 Nov 4 2016 SanDiskSecureAccessV3.01_win.exe > fred@ragnok:/media/usb0$ what does dmesg say when you plug this in? I assume it will be just added as mass storage. > > root@ragnok:/home/fred# chown fred /media/usb0 > chown: changing ownership of '/media/usb0': Operation not permitted > sudo chown fred /media/usb0 Would that work better? > Attempts to add write permission are also denied. again since root owns this. Did you use sudo or tried from the root account? > > Is there any way to disable or remove the SecureAccess software? sure rm -rf /media/usb0/SanDiskSecureAccess rm /media/usb0/SanDiskSecureAccessV3.01_win.exe again it's owned by root, so use sudo. > Best regards, > Fred > -H -- Henning Follmann | hfollmann@itcfollmann.com
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| From | Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> |
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| Date | 2020-12-08 17:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BjNzc-7fk-21@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229473 |
On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:42:53AM -0500, Henning Follmann wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 08:29:47AM -0700, Fred wrote: > > root@ragnok:/home/fred# chown fred /media/usb0 > > chown: changing ownership of '/media/usb0': Operation not permitted > > sudo chown fred /media/usb0 > > Would that work better? Not if there's a (V)FAT file system on the device. Besides, the "root@" at the start and the "#" at the end of the shell prompt would normally mean they're already root. Ownerships and permissions only work with Unix-type file systems, such as ext4.
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| From | David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> |
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| Date | 2020-12-09 05:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BjZqF-6ps-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229468 |
On 2020-12-08 07:29, Fred wrote: > Hello, > > I bought a SanDisk Cruzer Glide USB stick. The fine print on the > package says it has SecureAccess software. It is so secure it prevents > me from writing to it without running the included Bill Gates cancerous, > virus infested, scourge of the Earth software. > > fred@ragnok:/media/usb0$ ls -l > total 8416 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 16384 Jul 9 2018 SanDiskSecureAccess > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8600360 Nov 4 2016 > SanDiskSecureAccessV3.01_win.exe > fred@ragnok:/media/usb0$ I have many SanDisk USB flash drives, including several Cruzer Glide. They typically have an MBR partition scheme and one large VFAT or NTFS partition. "SanDisk Secure Access" is optional Windows encryption software that is bundled with SanDisk USB flash drives. Use it, ignore it, or delete it as you please; the software is not required to use the drive on any computer that supports the factory partitioning scheme and filesystem. > root@ragnok:/home/fred# chown fred /media/usb0 > chown: changing ownership of '/media/usb0': Operation not permitted > > Attempts to add write permission are also denied. As you have not stated how you mounted the drive, I will assume that you plugged it in, an icon appeared on the desktop, you interacted with the icon, and the drive was mounted at /media/usb0. If so, AIUI the various Debian desktops with automounting use FUSE. The user account running the desktop and automounter will have whatever access controls that are supported by the filesystem and/or by FUSE. But all other user accounts, including the root account (!), are denied access to the filesystem. This is a security feature of FUSE. See mount.fuse(8). > Is there any way to disable or remove the SecureAccess software? If you want to use the flash drive to move files between DOS, Windows, Linux, macOS, BSD, etc., leave the factory partitioning scheme and filesystem intact. Use the desktop to mount and unmount the filesystem on the flash drive. Use the file manager or a normal, non-root, terminal to delete or move aside the "Secure Access" stuff. If you want to use the drive for some other purpose, such as burning a Debian Installer ISO image onto it, do not mount the drive using the desktop. (You may have to disable the desktop automounting feature). Instead, open a terminal and use sudo(8) or su(1) to work with the drive. David
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| From | Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-12-09 11:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Bk4Tn-1yG-15@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229517 |
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On Ma, 08 dec 20, 20:39:35, David Christensen wrote: > > If you want to use the drive for some other purpose, such as burning a > Debian Installer ISO image onto it, do not mount the drive using the > desktop. (You may have to disable the desktop automounting feature). > Instead, open a terminal and use sudo(8) or su(1) to work with the drive. Or just eject / unmount / safe remove / etc. it before "burning" the image file to it. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser
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| From | Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-12-09 19:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Bkcxz-67E-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229517 |
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 20:39:35 -0800 David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote: ... > As you have not stated how you mounted the drive, I will assume that you > plugged it in, an icon appeared on the desktop, you interacted with the > icon, and the drive was mounted at /media/usb0. If so, AIUI the various > Debian desktops with automounting use FUSE. The user account running They do? Do you have documentation of this? I can't find anything about this in the documentation of, say, Xfce4's thunar-volman: https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/using-removable-media > the desktop and automounter will have whatever access controls that are > supported by the filesystem and/or by FUSE. But all other user > accounts, including the root account (!), are denied access to the > filesystem. This is a security feature of FUSE. See mount.fuse(8). Celejar
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2020-12-09 20:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Bkdai-6Ae-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229575 |
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 13:35:57 -0500 Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 20:39:35 -0800 > David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote: > > ... > > > As you have not stated how you mounted the drive, I will assume > > that you plugged it in, an icon appeared on the desktop, you > > interacted with the icon, and the drive was mounted at /media/usb0. > > If so, AIUI the various Debian desktops with automounting use > > FUSE. The user account running > > They do? Do you have documentation of this? I can't find anything > about this in the documentation of, say, Xfce4's thunar-volman: > > https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/using-removable-media > > > the desktop and automounter will have whatever access controls that > > are supported by the filesystem and/or by FUSE. But all other user > > accounts, including the root account (!), are denied access to the > > filesystem. This is a security feature of FUSE. See > > mount.fuse(8). > I haven't investigated it thoroughly, but when I have casually checked what is mounted, I see that any USB sticks plugged in are on fuse. Xfce on sid, no usbmount, automounting done by systemd, by the way. -- Joe
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| From | Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2020-12-09 21:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Bkeg1-7cN-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229579 |
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:10:42 +0000 Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 13:35:57 -0500 > Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 20:39:35 -0800 > > David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > As you have not stated how you mounted the drive, I will assume > > > that you plugged it in, an icon appeared on the desktop, you > > > interacted with the icon, and the drive was mounted at /media/usb0. > > > If so, AIUI the various Debian desktops with automounting use > > > FUSE. The user account running > > > > They do? Do you have documentation of this? I can't find anything > > about this in the documentation of, say, Xfce4's thunar-volman: > > > > https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/using-removable-media > > > > > the desktop and automounter will have whatever access controls that > > > are supported by the filesystem and/or by FUSE. But all other user > > > accounts, including the root account (!), are denied access to the > > > filesystem. This is a security feature of FUSE. See > > > mount.fuse(8). > > > > I haven't investigated it thoroughly, but when I have casually checked > what is mounted, I see that any USB sticks plugged in are on fuse. Xfce > on sid, no usbmount, automounting done by systemd, by the way. Interesting. I haven't been using automounting, but I just enabled Xfce's native automounting (Thunar / Edit / Preferences / Advanced / Volume Management:Configure / Mount removable drives when hot-plugged) and stuck in a flash drive. It gets mounted and I don't see any FUSE involved: ~$ mount | grep sdb /dev/sdb on /media/<username>/disk type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro,uhelper=udisks2) ~$ mount | grep fuse fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) portal on /run/user/1000/doc type fuse.portal (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=1000) I'm curious about this because I can't imagine that FUSE performance is as good as native, so why would automounters pay the performance penalty of FUSE when native mounting would seem easy enough to do? Celejar
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2020-12-09 21:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BkepI-7fZ-11@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229584 |
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 15:23:44 -0500 Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:10:42 +0000 > Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 13:35:57 -0500 > > Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 20:39:35 -0800 > > > David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > As you have not stated how you mounted the drive, I will assume > > > > that you plugged it in, an icon appeared on the desktop, you > > > > interacted with the icon, and the drive was mounted at > > > > /media/usb0. If so, AIUI the various Debian desktops with > > > > automounting use FUSE. The user account running > > > > > > They do? Do you have documentation of this? I can't find anything > > > about this in the documentation of, say, Xfce4's thunar-volman: > > > > > > https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/using-removable-media > > > > > > > the desktop and automounter will have whatever access controls > > > > that are supported by the filesystem and/or by FUSE. But all > > > > other user accounts, including the root account (!), are denied > > > > access to the filesystem. This is a security feature of FUSE. > > > > See mount.fuse(8). > > > > > > > I haven't investigated it thoroughly, but when I have casually > > checked what is mounted, I see that any USB sticks plugged in are > > on fuse. Xfce on sid, no usbmount, automounting done by systemd, by > > the way. > > Interesting. I haven't been using automounting, but I just enabled > Xfce's native automounting (Thunar / Edit / Preferences / Advanced / > Volume Management:Configure / Mount removable drives when hot-plugged) > and stuck in a flash drive. It gets mounted and I don't see any FUSE > involved: > > ~$ mount | grep sdb > /dev/sdb on /media/<username>/disk type vfat > (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro,uhelper=udisks2) > > ~$ mount | grep fuse > fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl > (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) portal on /run/user/1000/doc type > fuse.portal (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=1000) > > I'm curious about this because I can't imagine that FUSE performance > is as good as native, so why would automounters pay the performance > penalty of FUSE when native mounting would seem easy enough to do? > With a quick trial, it depends on the filesystem. Many of my USB sticks are FAT for portability, but they get mounted as fuseblk rather than fat or vfat. Linux partitions are indeed mounted natively. -- Joe
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| From | Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-12-10 09:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BkpuN-5DC-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229587 |
On Wed, 2020-12-09 at 20:34 +0000, Joe wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 15:23:44 -0500 > Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote: > [...] > > Interesting. I haven't been using automounting, but I just enabled > > Xfce's native automounting (Thunar / Edit / Preferences / Advanced > > / > > Volume Management:Configure / Mount removable drives when hot- > > plugged) > > and stuck in a flash drive. It gets mounted and I don't see any > > FUSE > > involved: > > > > ~$ mount | grep sdb > > /dev/sdb on /media/<username>/disk type vfat > > (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,c > > odepage=437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,err > > ors=remount-ro,uhelper=udisks2) > > > > ~$ mount | grep fuse > > fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl > > (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime) portal on /run/user/1000/doc type > > fuse.portal (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=1000) > > > > I'm curious about this because I can't imagine that FUSE > > performance > > is as good as native, so why would automounters pay the performance > > penalty of FUSE when native mounting would seem easy enough to do? > > > > With a quick trial, it depends on the filesystem. Many of my USB > sticks > are FAT for portability, but they get mounted as fuseblk rather than > fat or vfat. How are you mounting them? On Buster with LXDE desktop, USB sticks with FAT filesystems don't get mounted by the GUI using fuse. I.e. my experience matches Celejar's. > Linux partitions are indeed mounted natively. Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by 'Linux partitions'. The only two partitioning schemes I'm aware of are MBR and GPT neither of which are Linux specific. And I can't see how the partitioning scheme would affect how a FAT filesystem is mounted. -- Tixy
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| From | Joe <joe@jretrading.com> |
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| Date | 2020-12-10 09:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BkpEt-5HF-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229604 |
On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 08:26:40 +0000 Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> wrote: > > Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by 'Linux partitions'. Partitions containing Linux filesystems. -- Joe
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| From | Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-12-10 10:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BkpXR-5Oi-13@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229605 |
On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 08:35 +0000, Joe wrote: > On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 08:26:40 +0000 > Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> wrote: > > > > Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by 'Linux partitions'. > > Partitions containing Linux filesystems. OK, I guess you really meant filesystems supported by the Linux kernel, because we're all talking about FAT here which certainly isn't a Linux filesystems ;-) Perhaps your USB stick is formatted with exFAT (which only gained kernel support this year) and me and Celejar are using older FAT/VFAT/FAT32 (I am). That would explain our different experiences with fuse getting involved. -- Tixy
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| From | Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-12-10 10:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Bkq7w-66I-7@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229607 |
On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 08:53 +0000, Tixy wrote: > Perhaps your USB stick is formatted with exFAT (which only gained > kernel support this year) and me and Celejar are using older > FAT/VFAT/FAT32 (I am). That would explain our different experiences > with fuse getting involved. I just saw from you other replies that you're on Debian unstable, so your kernel does have exFAT support. There must be something more complicated going on then for your system to chose to use fuse to mount the USB stick. -- Tixy
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-12-10 11:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <BkqTU-6mH-9@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229608 |
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 09:00:39AM +0000, Tixy wrote: > On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 08:53 +0000, Tixy wrote: > > Perhaps your USB stick is formatted with exFAT (which only gained > > kernel support this year) and me and Celejar are using older > > FAT/VFAT/FAT32 (I am). That would explain our different experiences > > with fuse getting involved. > > I just saw from you other replies that you're on Debian unstable, so > your kernel does have exFAT support. There must be something more > complicated going on then for your system to chose to use fuse to mount > the USB stick. I think the tencency is to mount untrusted file systems over FUSE, due to the realisation that file system code wasn't designed with malicious file system images in mind (remember? the time that code got written, you had one hard disk firmly screwed into your beige box computer), and on the hope that something exploding in user space might be less devastating that having it explode in kernel space... For a rough impression, cf. e.g. here [1] It's a timid first step to remove one of those skeletons from beneath the bed (or a move towards a microkernel, depending on your current mood ;-) Cheers [1] https://lwn.net/ml/linux-kernel/20180523234114.GA3434@thunk.org/ - t
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| From | Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2020-12-10 11:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Bkrdg-6Iw-23@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229617 |
On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 10:56 +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 09:00:39AM +0000, Tixy wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 08:53 +0000, Tixy wrote: > > > Perhaps your USB stick is formatted with exFAT (which only gained > > > kernel support this year) and me and Celejar are using older > > > FAT/VFAT/FAT32 (I am). That would explain our different > > > experiences > > > with fuse getting involved. > > > > I just saw from you other replies that you're on Debian unstable, > > so > > your kernel does have exFAT support. There must be something more > > complicated going on then for your system to chose to use fuse to > > mount > > the USB stick. > > I think the tencency is to mount untrusted file systems over FUSE, > due to the realisation that file system code wasn't designed with > malicious file system images in mind (remember? the time that code > got written, you had one hard disk firmly screwed into your beige > box computer), and on the hope that something exploding in user > space might be less devastating that having it explode in kernel > space... I can see there is good reasoning in that, perhaps that reasoning has been implemented by the components in Debian Bullseye. Does seem a little perverse though if it should be implemented just after Linux gains an exFAT kernel driver, a filesystem that only really exists for interoperability between devices (i.e. those that will be removable media). -- Tixy
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| From | <tomas@tuxteam.de> |
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| Date | 2020-12-10 14:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <Bku1r-8ox-1@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| In reply to | #229623 |
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On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 10:12:50AM +0000, Tixy wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-12-10 at 10:56 +0100, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > I think the tencency is to mount untrusted file systems over FUSE,
[...]
> > due to the realisation that file system code wasn't designed with
> > malicious file system images in mind (remember? the time that code
> > got written, you had one hard disk firmly screwed into your beige
> > box computer), and on the hope that something exploding in user
> > space might be less devastating that having it explode in kernel
> > space...
>
> I can see there is good reasoning in that, perhaps that reasoning has
> been implemented by the components in Debian Bullseye. Does seem a
> little perverse though if it should be implemented just after Linux
> gains an exFAT kernel driver, a filesystem that only really exists for
> interoperability between devices (i.e. those that will be removable
> media).
I'd think exFAT lands as well in libguestfs, where it can be used
by FUSE. Code is, after all, code ;-)
Cheers
- t
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