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  How to write in Chinese Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> - 2020-11-20 05:10 +0100
    Re: How to write in Chinese Rob Hurle <rob1940@gmail.com> - 2020-11-20 05:20 +0100
    Re: How to write in Chinese Weaver <weaver@riseup.net> - 2020-11-20 06:10 +0100
      Re: How to write in Chinese <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-11-20 09:40 +0100
      Fwd: Re: How to write in Chinese Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> - 2020-11-22 00:00 +0100
    Re: How to write in Chinese Ming <ming@pgp.cool> - 2020-11-20 06:30 +0100
      Re: How to write in Chinese Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> - 2020-11-22 00:40 +0100
        Re: How to write in Chinese Ming <ming@pgp.cool> - 2020-11-22 04:10 +0100
          Re: How to write in Chinese Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> - 2020-11-23 18:20 +0100
    Re: How to write in Chinese Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY <noon@mykolab.com> - 2020-11-20 07:20 +0100
      Re: How to write in Chinese deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-11-20 08:20 +0100
        Re: How to write in Chinese <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-11-20 09:50 +0100
          Re: How to write in Chinese An Liu <sourceonly@gmail.com> - 2020-11-20 10:20 +0100
            Re: How to write in Chinese tomas@tuxteam.de - 2020-11-20 15:20 +0100
    Re: How to write in Chinese didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2020-11-20 11:40 +0100
    Re: How to write in Chinese Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2020-11-20 13:40 +0100
    Re: How to write in Chinese 황병희 <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> - 2020-11-21 03:40 +0100
      Re: How to write in Chinese Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2020-11-21 10:30 +0100
        Re: How to write in Chinese Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2020-11-28 22:10 +0100
          Re: How to write in Chinese Long Wind <longwind2@yahoo.com> - 2020-11-29 06:30 +0100

#228792 — How to write in Chinese

Please,

I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in 
Debian 9.

I use Brazilian Portuguese, but I don't want to reconfigure my computer 
to type only in Chinese.

Using LibreOffice or with a specific program to generate the ideograms 
only when needed.

Any tip?

Thank you,

Markos

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I use Debian 9 and have installed iBus.  It is possible to type Vietnamese,
Chinese (in pinyin and/or characters) and English.  Many other languages
are available as input methods.  The method of swapping between the
language is configurable (I use alt/space).  Been very reliable.  你 好

Rob Hurle

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e-mail:    rob1940@gmail.com
Mobile:   +61 417 293 603 (Australia)
Telephone:  (02) 6236 3895
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 at 15:00, Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> wrote:

> Please,
>
> I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in
> Debian 9.
>
> I use Brazilian Portuguese, but I don't want to reconfigure my computer
> to type only in Chinese.
>
> Using LibreOffice or with a specific program to generate the ideograms
> only when needed.
>
> Any tip?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Markos
>
>

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#228794

On 20-11-2020 13:04, Markos wrote:
> Please,
> 
> I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in Debian 9.
> 
> I use Brazilian Portuguese, but I don't want to reconfigure my
> computer to type only in Chinese.
> 
> Using LibreOffice or with a specific program to generate the ideograms
> only when needed.
> 
> Any tip?

It could well be worth your while to get on top of LaTeX, through the
Texmaker editor or similar.
Install the font programmes you require, and employ Babel.
You can employ both languages within the same document.
It's what I do.
It's not such a learning curve, but it depends on how serious you are.
Cheers!

Harry Weaver.

-- 
`This is Unix.
It gives you enough rope to hang yourself'.
-- Miguel Van Smoorenburg

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On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 09:00:01PM -0800, Weaver wrote:
> On 20-11-2020 13:04, Markos wrote:
> > Please,
> > 
> > I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in Debian 9.
> > 
> > I use Brazilian Portuguese, but I don't want to reconfigure my
> > computer to type only in Chinese.

No need to. GNU/Linux is decidedly multilingual :-)

> It could well be worth your while to get on top of LaTeX, through the
> Texmaker editor or similar.

I'm a big fan of LaTeX myself, but I fear this advise will send
the original poster down the wrong rabbit hole. Note how Markos
asked for tips on *typing* Chinese, not on *typesetting* Chinese?

And how he hinted at his familiarity with LibreOffice?

So I think what he needs is a suitable input method and suitable
display (and later perhaps print) fonts.

He'll need that anyway should he ever decide to go with LaTeX:
somehow the texts have to first go in :-)

Cheers
 - t

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On 20-11-2020 13:04, Markos wrote:

> Please,
> 
> I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in Debian 9.
> 
> I use Brazilian Portuguese, but I don't want to reconfigure my
> computer to type only in Chinese.
> 
> Using LibreOffice or with a specific program to generate the ideograms
> only when needed.
> 
> Any tip?

It could well be worth your while to get on top of LaTeX, through the
Texmaker editor or similar.
Install the font programmes you require, and employ Babel.
You can employ both languages within the same document.
It's what I do.
It's not such a learning curve, but it depends on how serious you are.
Cheers!

Harry Weaver.

-- 
`This is Unix.
It gives you enough rope to hang yourself'.
-- Miguel Van Smoorenburg

====================================================================================
Hi Harry,

I tried to use Latex a few years ago, but I confess that I found it a 
complex tool. I choosed Docbook as a tool to produce my tutorials and 
convert it to html in a standardized way.Thanks for your tip.  
Markos

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On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 00:04:43 -0300, Markos wrote:
> Please,
> 
> I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms
> in Debian 9.
> 
> I use Brazilian Portuguese, but I don't want to reconfigure my
> computer to type only in Chinese.
> 
> Using LibreOffice or with a specific program to generate the
> ideograms only when needed.
> 
> Any tip?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Markos
> 

If Chinese cannot be displayed normally on your computer, you may need
a font. But with your description, you might just need an input
method?

For fonts, I recommend WenQuanYi(文泉驿), it is a very good open
source Chinese font. Just use the command to install it (actually, it is
a set of fonts with different styles, you can choose to install
according to your needs):

apt install fonts-wqy-microhei
apt install fonts-wqy-zenhei

If what you actually need is an input method, I think ibus may be a good
choice, you can configure Chinese input through its GUI.
I actually use the ibus-rime(a rime input method engine encapsulated
using the ibus framework), but it may require more manual configuration
and is not suitable for beginners of a language.

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Em 20-11-2020 02:18, Ming escreveu:
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 00:04:43 -0300, Markos wrote:
>> Please,
>>
>> I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms
>> in Debian 9.
>>
>> I use Brazilian Portuguese, but I don't want to reconfigure my
>> computer to type only in Chinese.
>>
>> Using LibreOffice or with a specific program to generate the
>> ideograms only when needed.
>>
>> Any tip?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Markos
>>
> If Chinese cannot be displayed normally on your computer, you may need
> a font. But with your description, you might just need an input
> method?
>
> For fonts, I recommend WenQuanYi(文泉驿), it is a very good open
> source Chinese font. Just use the command to install it (actually, it is
> a set of fonts with different styles, you can choose to install
> according to your needs):
>
> apt install fonts-wqy-microhei
> apt install fonts-wqy-zenhei
>
> If what you actually need is an input method, I think ibus may be a good
> choice, you can configure Chinese input through its GUI.
> I actually use the ibus-rime(a rime input method engine encapsulated
> using the ibus framework), but it may require more manual configuration
> and is not suitable for beginners of a language.
>

Hi Ming,


That's right, I think I need to choose an "input method".

I'm gradually understanding what I need.

I found a tutorial that explains what the input methods are.

http://xahlee.info/kbd/chinese_input_methods.html

>From what I've seen the most popular method is "pinyin".

I installed:

apt-get install fonts-arphic-bkai00mp
apt-get install fonts-arphic-bsmi00lp
apt-get install fonts-arphic-gbsn00lp
apt-get install fonts-arphic-gkai00mp
apt-get install fonts-arphic-ukai
apt-get install fonts-arphic-uming

and

apt-get install ibus-pinyin

Please, what I should do now?

Thank you,
Markos

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On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 08:10:08PM -0300, Markos wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> Hi Ming,
> 
> 
> That's right, I think I need to choose an "input method".
> 
> I'm gradually understanding what I need.
> 
> I found a tutorial that explains what the input methods are.
> 
> http://xahlee.info/kbd/chinese_input_methods.html
> 
> > From what I've seen the most popular method is "pinyin".
> 
> I installed:
> 
> apt-get install fonts-arphic-bkai00mp
> apt-get install fonts-arphic-bsmi00lp
> apt-get install fonts-arphic-gbsn00lp
> apt-get install fonts-arphic-gkai00mp
> apt-get install fonts-arphic-ukai
> apt-get install fonts-arphic-uming
> 
> and
> 
> apt-get install ibus-pinyin
> 
> Please, what I should do now?

Since I am not currently using a debian system with GUI, I may not be
able to guide you in detail.

But in most cases, you just need to find the ibus settings/system
languages setting (with GUI), add an input method, and finally logout
and re-login. Then you can use shortcut keys or click the input method
icon in status bar to switch input methods.

I find some tutorials in Debian Wiki that might can help you:
https://wiki.debian.org/InputMethodBuster
https://wiki.debian.org/I18n/ibus

And this Arch Wiki may also be used for reference:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IBus

In addition, I noticed that ibus-pinyin is deprecated, you may
need change to ibus-libpinyin.

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#228969

Em 22-11-2020 00:06, Ming escreveu:
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 08:10:08PM -0300, Markos wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> Hi Ming,
>>
>>
>> That's right, I think I need to choose an "input method".
>>
>> I'm gradually understanding what I need.
>>
>> I found a tutorial that explains what the input methods are.
>>
>> http://xahlee.info/kbd/chinese_input_methods.html
>>
>>>  From what I've seen the most popular method is "pinyin".
>> I installed:
>>
>> apt-get install fonts-arphic-bkai00mp
>> apt-get install fonts-arphic-bsmi00lp
>> apt-get install fonts-arphic-gbsn00lp
>> apt-get install fonts-arphic-gkai00mp
>> apt-get install fonts-arphic-ukai
>> apt-get install fonts-arphic-uming
>>
>> and
>>
>> apt-get install ibus-pinyin
>>
>> Please, what I should do now?
> Since I am not currently using a debian system with GUI, I may not be
> able to guide you in detail.
>
> But in most cases, you just need to find the ibus settings/system
> languages setting (with GUI), add an input method, and finally logout
> and re-login. Then you can use shortcut keys or click the input method
> icon in status bar to switch input methods.
>
> I find some tutorials in Debian Wiki that might can help you:
> https://wiki.debian.org/InputMethodBuster
> https://wiki.debian.org/I18n/ibus
>
> And this Arch Wiki may also be used for reference:
> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IBus
>
> In addition, I noticed that ibus-pinyin is deprecated, you may
> need change to ibus-libpinyin.
>

Hi Ming,

I followed your tips:

In the Preferences menu -> ibus preferences -> Input method -> Add, then 
I selected Chinese and Pinyin.

And to insert ideograms I just activate Chinese - Pinyin in systray 
(bottom right of desktop)

http://www.c2o.pro.br/download/Linux/Chinese/ibus_prefences_add_pinyin.png
http://www.c2o.pro.br/download/Linux/Chinese/ibus_preferences.png
http://www.c2o.pro.br/download/Linux/Chinese/select_input_method_at_systray.png

Then I saw your tip for replacing ibus-pinyin by ibus-libpinyin.

I was in doubt if I should remove the ibus-pinyin first so as not to 
conflict, but I found at

https://askubuntu.com/questions/502811/why-my-ibus-input-cant-type-que-or-qve-in-chinese

the tip for just install

apt-get install ibus-libpinyin

and change the input method but not removing any packages.

Thank you, 谢谢
Markos

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#228796

Markos writes:

> I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in
> Debian 9.
>
> I use Brazilian Portuguese, but I don't want to reconfigure my
> computer to type only in Chinese.
>
> Using LibreOffice or with a specific program to generate the ideograms
> only when needed.
>
> Any tip?

FYI, GNU Emacs comes with lots of support for Asiatic languages with a
rich set of input methods, and seems used quite a lot by Asiatic people.
Maybe you'd like to have a look into it?

See e.g.:
- https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/WritingChinese
- http://ergoemacs.org/emacs/emacs_chinese_input.html
- https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/WritingChineseWithWuBi
- https://emacs-china.org/

--
Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY
PGP 015AE9B25DCB0511D200A75DE5674DEA514C891D

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#228797

Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote:

> GNU Emacs comes with

did someone asked about Emacs and I missed it?
The Emacs religion followers never sleep :)

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On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 08:13:54AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote:
> 
> > GNU Emacs comes with
> 
> did someone asked about Emacs and I missed it?
> The Emacs religion followers never sleep :)

In a way, Fabrice is right: Emacs would solve one thorny
problem, that of the input method, which X leaves to a bunch
of strange and opinionated plugins. No idea how the Wayland
story is, in this department. Possibly you'll have to put
up with whatever Gnome or KDE have come up (gulp!) or perhaps
LibreOffice comes with its own thingy.

Emacs is yet another rabbit hole, but this one is at least
a bit closer than LaTeX: it offers a working fontset management
and an outstanding collection of input methods (I count 25
variants for Chinese in my Emacs instance, take that ;-P

Cheers
 - t 

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HI

tbf the built-in Chinese input method is painful

i used to use ibus.el in emacs（but it is dead i think）
l

some minor problems i have
1. unless locale is set to Zh_CN.UTF-8 i cant type chinese under X，no
problem in Term though
i need to start emacs instant with LANG=zh_CN.utf8 emacs in bash if i dont
want to set system locale
2. Ctrl-Space （or Win-Space） might be  conflict with input methods
change，make marks harder （use Ctrl-@）as alt
3. Latex is a little little but complex as you need CJK PACKAGE to make it
work


FYI



On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 09:43 <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 08:13:54AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> > Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote:
> >
> > > GNU Emacs comes with
> >
> > did someone asked about Emacs and I missed it?
> > The Emacs religion followers never sleep :)
>
> In a way, Fabrice is right: Emacs would solve one thorny
> problem, that of the input method, which X leaves to a bunch
> of strange and opinionated plugins. No idea how the Wayland
> story is, in this department. Possibly you'll have to put
> up with whatever Gnome or KDE have come up (gulp!) or perhaps
> LibreOffice comes with its own thingy.
>
> Emacs is yet another rabbit hole, but this one is at least
> a bit closer than LaTeX: it offers a working fontset management
> and an outstanding collection of input methods (I count 25
> variants for Chinese in my Emacs instance, take that ;-P
>
> Cheers
>  - t
>
-- 
Liu An

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On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 10:18:14AM +0100, An Liu wrote:
> HI
> 
> tbf the built-in Chinese input method is painful

You mean those provided by Emacs? You are more qualified to judge
that than me, of course.

Cheers
-- t

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#228802

Le vendredi 20 novembre 2020 à 05:10:06 UTC+1, Markos a écrit :
> Please, 
> 
> I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in 
> Debian 9. 
> 
> I use Brazilian Portuguese, but I don't want to reconfigure my computer 
> to type only in Chinese. 
> 
> Using LibreOffice or with a specific program to generate the ideograms 
> only when needed. 
> 
> Any tip? 
> 
> Thank you, 
> 
> Markos

Hello Markos,

Lazy way: there are dedicated task-packages to facilitate this:

didier@hp-notebook14:~$ apt search task-chinese
En train de trier... Fait
Recherche en texte intégral... Fait
task-chinese-s/stable,now 3.53 all  [installé]
  Simplified Chinese environment

task-chinese-s-desktop/stable,now 3.53 all  [installé]
  Simplified Chinese desktop

task-chinese-s-kde-desktop/stable 3.53 all
  Simplified Chinese KDE Plasma desktop

task-chinese-t/stable,now 3.53 all  [installé]
  Traditional Chinese environment

task-chinese-t-desktop/stable,now 3.53 all  [installé]
  Traditional Chinese desktop

task-chinese-t-kde-desktop/stable 3.53 all
  Traditional Chinese KDE Plasma desktop

So, just install what you need (simplified or traditional, in console, KDE or another Desktop Environment or Window Manager) , explore the menus of your X environment to find the GUI tool that permit you to set-up how/when you want to type chinese, and you are done :-)

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i install arphic Chinese fonts for busterfonts-arphic-gbsn00lp, fonts-arphic-ukai ,   fonts-arphic-bkai00mpthese fonts are available in debian 9 

some web sites let you enter Chinese, i use 
https://www.archchinese.com/type_chinese.html
pinyin is most popular Chinese input method
no additional setup is needed, just install fonts mentioned aboveand use some web sites to enter Chinese
if i make further configuration (setting locale), it often makes English fonts ugly 
  

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#228825

Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> writes:

> Please,
>
> I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in
> Debian 9.
>
> ...
> Any tip?

Another comment: i would like to recommand "Google Noto CJK" as font.

Sincerely, CJK user Byung-Hee

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 On Saturday, November 21, 2020, 10:33:07 AM GMT+8, 황병희 <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> wrote: 
 
 Markos <markos@c2o.pro.br> writes:

> Please,
>
> I am studying Chinese and I need to install fonts to type ideograms in
> Debian 9.
>
> ...

IMO Chinese character is more appropriate word to use than ideogram

  

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why do you recommend "Google Noto CJK"?i've installed it, it isn't amazing
  

  

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 On Sunday, November 29, 2020, 6:11:34 AM GMT+8, 황병희 <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> wrote:  
Its licence is *free* totally. So that became default font of Ubuntu
18.04 LTS for CJK users. Also that is used most Google products such as
Android, Chrome OS, as far as i know.


are you sure it's more free than fonts-wqy-* or fonts-arphic-*? all three are in main of debian.
i don't like google's free software. it only allows users to install android sdk online, thus forcing developers using latest api. it doesn't release sdk in a file or old sdk.


  

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