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| From | Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints" |
| Date | 2019-08-20 22:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <yxisp-6MZ-5@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <yxef7-4fB-5@gated-at.bofh.it> <yxf1v-4MN-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <yxfEd-50y-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <yxg7g-5qJ-13@gated-at.bofh.it> <yxgqB-5xv-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| Organization | linux.* mail to news gateway |
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:45:52PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: >I was referring to "add your MTA for no good reason". >That is vague and really not true. Why do you think that? Your ability to find out why a specific domain got on a blacklist is pretty close to zero. You may be able to look at every single email being send from the domain, you might be able to verify that there's nothing bad there (no spambots, etc), but you can't find out what message got the domain on the blacklist. You can't even validate that the message which caused the block passed the SPF checks and was actually sent from infrastructure controlled by the domain in question. Once upon a time you could actually get that kind of information but those days are long gone. >However as a person I depend on e-mail and I really never had any of >these issues. How would you know? Honest question. Unless you get a reply to every mail you send, you can't actually know whether every mail was recieved. >I look at how these heuristic based filter work and it is easy to >maintain a form of communication where the likelihood of blocked >is low. >Pretty much don't do anything marketers do. >Do not use binary content. >Do not use HTML >No links either >Avoid explicit words. >I could go on. So if you do that and end up on a blacklist, what's your next step? >> So, a Debian contributor Alice sends a private e-mail to a Debian >> contributor Bob. Both Alice and Bob use arbitrary e-mail servers, most >> likely beyond their control. E-mail bounces, Alice does not get any >> meaningful diagnostics, Bob does not get a e-mail. It can happen. >> > >It can happen, you could win the lottery :) >Could, Would, if and but. All vague forms of arguing. It does happen, whether you want to accept it or not. Either your assessment of the odds are wrong or I want to find out where you play the lottery.
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Re: Solution to "pathetic email complaints" Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-20 22:20 +0200
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