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Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)

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From Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net>
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Subject Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)
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On Sunday 26 May 2019 10:09:49 pm Andy Smith wrote:

> Hello,
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 11:25:26AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Saturday 25 May 2019 07:33:01 am Andy Smith wrote:
> > > My recollection was that none of that was ever established in any
> > > of the threads you posted here, so that is a really weird thing to
> > > keep stating. Did IPv6 use all your toilet paper and kick your dog
> > > or something?
> >
> > You just pulled my trigger.
> >
> > No Andy, it didn't drink my last beer (Murphy does that), or kill
> > any kittens but it did totally disable ipv4. How? Simply by refusing
> > to apply a route/gateway to the ipv4 settings we do manually.
>
> Can you show the archive link to the email where it was established
> that having IPv6 enabled in the kernel prevented your IPv4
> configuration from being applied?
>
> Otherwise that is a very strange thing to keep asserting.
>
> > And depending on the phase of the moon, those of us on host file
> > networks are forced to edit the /e/n/i/config files and
> > immediately chattr +i them in order to protect them from N-M's
> > incessant meddling, ditto for resolv.conf, which we have to make
> > into a real file, and chattr +i it for the same reason.  For a
> > while we could remove N-M on armhf-jessie but now its somehow
> > linked to our choice of desktops so the only way is to rm it by
> > hand, or chattr +i everything it touches. N-M at least has the
> > common decency to not complain or go crazy when it finds itself
> > locked out of its playpen. Unforch I can't say the same for hpfax,
> > in the hplip package you get with cups.  Its crashed this machine
> > 6 or 7 times by killing hid-common, leaving the only working
> > button the reset button on the machines front panel. Somebody put
> > a call to hpfax in the root crontab, and when it gets called with
> > nothing to do it goes postal killing all input devices on the usb
> > bus by killing hid-common.  A separate problem of course, one that
> > hp needs to fix before buster goes live.
>
> Unclear how any of the above is or could ever be related to IPv6.
>
> > You folks with ipv6 all think we should all just switch and be done
> > with it,
>
> Vast majority of Linux users already switched to having IPv6
> enabled, because it has been enabled by default for years, and IPv6
> addresses appear on every interface.
>
> If you are finding bugs then it would be good to report them instead
> of howling at the moon.
>
> > You all claim that N-M won't bother an interface defined as static.
> > Thats an outright blatant lie,
>
> I'm sure I may have said that somewhere although I don't think I've
> said it to you. But also, it doesn't seem to have any relationship
> to IPv6.
>
> Again, I suggest if you find bugs in NetworkManager that you report
> them, not invoke the IPv6 bogey man until and unless you're certain
> that it is that dread creature which plagues you.
>
> > Put a kill switch in that puppy. defaulted to off. And take a survey
> > to see how many have turned it on a year from now. I'll be
> > apologetic if its more than the 5% carrying their lappy to dunkin
> > donuts.
>
> Could you apologise right now then since IPv6 has already been
> enabled for decades and the vast majority of users experience no
> problem?
>
I don't think so. ipv6 I'm sure is nice where its available.  Where it is 
not available, its a pain in the ass because even if you set it up as a 
static ipv4, N-M will tear it down in 5 minutes or less. And N-M is a 
dependency because most have a dhcpd running, probably in the router by 
default.

You are determined to exterminate any and all users of a hosts file, 
staticly defined network. Its ideal for small home networks.

The SOB (N-M) ignores the word static in the stretch version, so I'm back 
to a decade ago when N-M was new. Doing my config file edits quickly, 
because when you save it, the next thing you'd better to is a root 
chattr +i to that file, then go on to nuking the /etc/resolv.conf link 
and make a real file that only has 2 lines, the first defining the 
nameservers address, the 2nd saying dnssearch hosts, nameserver.  Save 
it and weld it down with a root chattr +i so N-M can't screw with it. 

And since stretch, if theres even a hint of a sniff of ipv6 being setup, 
the net tools will NOT assign a route/gateway to the ipv4 config. So 
your hosts file entries all work, but ping yahoo.com. network 
unreachable.

/ipv6 rant.
>
> Rants aren't so bad, it's when they are utterly clueless and devoid
> of factual content one could tend to come off looking like an
> absolute lunatic.

The facts have been stated. If you choose to not believe them, that is 
your problem.

> Hopefully though you aren't a lunatic and can point me to this exact
> situation where the enablement of IPv6 in your kernel caused
> something to break, cos then we can get some bugs fixed instead of
> just spilling more performance art onto the interwebs.

I'd love to file bugs, but I only have one email address.  And nominally 
80 milliseconds after I enter it in an account form, "its already 
taken". So I can't file the bug without logging in, and I can't login 
because it heard of gheskett@shentel.net back in 2015 according o my 
records in FF. And the username I used then now contains an illegal 
character. I guess somebody changed the rules for usernames?

It is for sure, one way to cut down on the bug reports isn't it?

> Andy


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

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forcedeth? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-02 13:30 +0200
  Re: forcedeth? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2019-05-02 14:20 +0200
  Re: forcedeth? Pascal Hambourg <pascal@plouf.fr.eu.org> - 2019-05-02 20:20 +0200
    Re: forcedeth? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-02 22:30 +0200
      Re: forcedeth? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-05-25 12:40 +0200
        Re: forcedeth? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-25 13:00 +0200
          Re: forcedeth? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-25 13:40 +0200
            Re: forcedeth? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-25 17:30 +0200
              That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-27 04:20 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 06:50 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-27 08:10 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 18:20 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-05-27 19:20 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-28 17:50 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-05-28 19:20 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-05-28 20:40 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-27 09:00 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-27 09:50 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-27 11:00 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-27 11:00 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-05-27 19:30 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-05-27 19:30 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-27 22:00 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-05-28 08:40 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-05-28 13:20 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 19:50 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-27 21:30 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 23:30 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-28 00:50 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 04:50 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-05-28 05:10 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-27 21:50 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 00:20 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-05-28 05:40 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-28 09:50 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-28 10:00 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-28 10:50 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-28 10:00 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2019-05-28 18:00 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-28 18:50 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 14:10 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-05-28 14:40 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 15:10 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-05-28 15:50 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 17:00 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) "Stephen P. Molnar" <s.molnar@sbcglobal.net> - 2019-05-28 14:50 +0200
                Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 19:20 +0200
                IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-05-27 15:00 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church  (Was Re: forcedeth?)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-27 15:20 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 20:20 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church  (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-27 21:30 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-27 23:10 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church  (Was Re: forcedeth?)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-28 06:40 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church  (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-28 07:50 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 14:40 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's  church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-28 15:00 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 15:10 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church  (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-05-28 15:10 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church  (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-05-28 15:40 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 16:30 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church  (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-05-28 13:10 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church  (Was Re: forcedeth?)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-28 15:00 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church  (Was Re: forcedeth?)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-28 15:30 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 16:00 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church  (Was Re: forcedeth?)) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-05-28 16:50 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 15:30 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church  (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2019-05-28 15:40 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 16:20 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-28 15:00 +0200
                Re: IPV6 hosts file (was: Re: That time IPv6 farted in Gene's  church (Was Re: forcedeth?)) Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-05-28 03:00 +0200
            Re: forcedeth? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-05-25 18:40 +0200
              Re: forcedeth? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-05-25 19:10 +0200

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