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Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo

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The Wanderer (2018-08-07):
> I don't consider that a significant downside;

Maybe your uses are too limited for you to experience it.

>						in some contexts, it may
> even be an advantage.

No, it may not. With sudo, adding "sh -c" allows to emulate su's
behaviour. On the other hand, su cannot emulate sudo's behaviour at all.

> An inclination in the direction of doing that would be a mark against
> that user being considered sufficiently trustworthy to have the elevated
> access to begin with.

I was referring to the real world, not wishful thinking.

> > Anyone who learns the user's password can obtain the second password 
> > pretty easily.
> How so?

Just insert a fake su in their path. There are more subtle ways.

> There's a point there, but I do consider the rest of the system (beyond
> just the user's account) to be something worth securing, even on a
> single-user system.

Maybe. But it does not need to be *more* secure than the user's account.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George

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As seen above: use of su vs sudo Martin Drescher <keine-eile@online.de> - 2018-08-07 12:00 +0200
  Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-07 12:50 +0200
    Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-08-07 13:20 +0200
      Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Martin Drescher <keine-eile@online.de> - 2018-08-07 13:30 +0200
        Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-07 17:20 +0200
          Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Martin <keine-eile@online.de> - 2018-08-07 17:40 +0200
            Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2018-08-07 18:20 +0200
      Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-08-07 14:10 +0200
        Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo likcoras <likcoras@riseup.net> - 2018-08-07 14:40 +0200
    Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo likcoras <likcoras@riseup.net> - 2018-08-07 14:00 +0200
  Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-08-07 13:00 +0200
  Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@fsing.rootsland.net> - 2018-08-07 13:20 +0200
    Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo James Allsopp <jamesaallsopp@googlemail.com> - 2018-08-07 13:30 +0200
      Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-08-07 13:50 +0200
        Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@fsing.rootsland.net> - 2018-08-07 14:30 +0200
          Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Martin <keine-eile@online.de> - 2018-08-07 14:30 +0200
        Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-08-07 15:20 +0200
          Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Martin <keine-eile@online.de> - 2018-08-07 15:50 +0200
      Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-08-07 14:20 +0200
      Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2018-08-07 15:30 +0200
    Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Martin <keine-eile@online.de> - 2018-08-07 13:40 +0200
      Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@fsing.rootsland.net> - 2018-08-07 14:30 +0200
  Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-08-07 13:30 +0200
    Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Martin <keine-eile@online.de> - 2018-08-07 13:50 +0200
      Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-08-07 14:10 +0200
        Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Martin <keine-eile@online.de> - 2018-08-07 14:30 +0200
          Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-08-07 15:00 +0200
            Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-08-07 15:10 +0200
              Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-08-07 15:30 +0200
                Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-08-07 15:40 +0200
                Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-07 18:20 +0200
                Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-08-07 18:40 +0200
                Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-08-07 18:50 +0200
                Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-07 19:10 +0200
                Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-08-07 20:10 +0200
                Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2018-08-07 20:10 +0200
                Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-08-07 20:20 +0200
                Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-07 20:50 +0200
            Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Martin <keine-eile@online.de> - 2018-08-07 15:10 +0200
              Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-08-07 15:30 +0200
                Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-07 15:50 +0200
                Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Martin <keine-eile@online.de> - 2018-08-07 15:50 +0200
            Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Nemeth Gyorgy <friczy@freemail.hu> - 2018-08-07 21:10 +0200
              Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-08-07 22:10 +0200
          Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-08-07 15:20 +0200
          Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@fsing.rootsland.net> - 2018-08-07 16:10 +0200
        Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2018-08-07 15:30 +0200
          Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-08-07 15:40 +0200
        Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-08-07 18:10 +0200
  Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2018-08-07 14:30 +0200
  Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 16:00 +0200
  Re: As seen above: use of su vs sudo mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-08-07 18:30 +0200

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