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Re: pointless systemd dependencies

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On Mon, 7 May 2018, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

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> On Mon, May 07, 2018 at 01:47:51AM +0000, David Griffith wrote:
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>> Could we start the process of identifying packages that have
>> dependencies on systemd in some way that is are not actually
>> required?
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> David,
>
> I understand your concerns. I, myself don't like systemd. But *if*
> you actually want something changed, you'll have to pick up some
> legwork yourself, like, for example, understand what libsystemd
> is actually doing in some package of your choice.
>
> But first of all, you'll have to accept that there are folks out
> there (who are at least as smart as you and me) who do like systemd,
> and that packagers want to cater to those folks as well. So if some
> binary wants to be able to work with systemd when it's there, perhaps
> linking against libsystemd is the right thing to do. A package
> maintainer won't keep around two versions of her package, one compiled
> against libsystemd and another without it. Especially because that
> doesn't scale well: someone might not like libdbus, someone else
> quibbles about libselinux -- and we are already at eight binary
> versions for one executable.
>
> Sometimes binary distributions do have a cost, convenient as they
> are.
>
> If "no systemd" purism is your thing, there's Devuan. There are
> pretty smart folks over there too.

How many packages are there that could possibly need to be linked against 
systemd?

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pointless systemd dependencies David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-07 04:10 +0200
  Re: pointless systemd dependencies Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2018-05-07 06:00 +0200
  Re: pointless systemd dependencies <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-05-07 08:10 +0200
    Re: pointless systemd dependencies David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-07 08:50 +0200
      Re: pointless systemd dependencies tomas@tuxteam.de - 2018-05-07 09:20 +0200
      Re: pointless systemd dependencies Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2018-05-07 10:00 +0200
        Re: pointless systemd dependencies David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-07 10:40 +0200
          Re: pointless systemd dependencies <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-05-07 12:30 +0200
    Re: pointless systemd dependencies "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-05-07 20:10 +0200
      Re: pointless systemd dependencies <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-05-07 20:50 +0200
        Re: pointless systemd dependencies "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-05-08 11:50 +0200
  Re: pointless systemd dependencies The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-05-07 14:00 +0200
    Re: pointless systemd dependencies David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-07 15:10 +0200
      Re: pointless systemd dependencies songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-05-07 21:20 +0200
        Re: pointless systemd dependencies Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2018-05-08 05:30 +0200
      Re: pointless systemd dependencies Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-07 21:20 +0200
        Re: pointless systemd dependencies David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-08 00:30 +0200
    Re: pointless systemd dependencies Abdullah Ramazanoğlu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-07 21:00 +0200
      Re: pointless systemd dependencies The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-05-08 05:20 +0200
        Re: pointless systemd dependencies Abdullah Ramazanoğlu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-08 11:10 +0200

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