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Re: pointless systemd dependencies

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On Mon, May 07, 2018 at 01:47:51AM +0000, David Griffith wrote:
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> Could we start the process of identifying packages that have
> dependencies on systemd in some way that is are not actually
> required?

David,

I understand your concerns. I, myself don't like systemd. But *if*
you actually want something changed, you'll have to pick up some
legwork yourself, like, for example, understand what libsystemd
is actually doing in some package of your choice.

But first of all, you'll have to accept that there are folks out
there (who are at least as smart as you and me) who do like systemd,
and that packagers want to cater to those folks as well. So if some
binary wants to be able to work with systemd when it's there, perhaps
linking against libsystemd is the right thing to do. A package
maintainer won't keep around two versions of her package, one compiled
against libsystemd and another without it. Especially because that
doesn't scale well: someone might not like libdbus, someone else
quibbles about libselinux -- and we are already at eight binary
versions for one executable.

Sometimes binary distributions do have a cost, convenient as they
are.

If "no systemd" purism is your thing, there's Devuan. There are
pretty smart folks over there too. 

Cheers
- -- tomás
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pointless systemd dependencies David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-07 04:10 +0200
  Re: pointless systemd dependencies Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2018-05-07 06:00 +0200
  Re: pointless systemd dependencies <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-05-07 08:10 +0200
    Re: pointless systemd dependencies David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-07 08:50 +0200
      Re: pointless systemd dependencies tomas@tuxteam.de - 2018-05-07 09:20 +0200
      Re: pointless systemd dependencies Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2018-05-07 10:00 +0200
        Re: pointless systemd dependencies David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-07 10:40 +0200
          Re: pointless systemd dependencies <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-05-07 12:30 +0200
    Re: pointless systemd dependencies "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-05-07 20:10 +0200
      Re: pointless systemd dependencies <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-05-07 20:50 +0200
        Re: pointless systemd dependencies "Michelle Konzack" <linux4michelle@tamay-dogan.net> - 2018-05-08 11:50 +0200
  Re: pointless systemd dependencies The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-05-07 14:00 +0200
    Re: pointless systemd dependencies David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-07 15:10 +0200
      Re: pointless systemd dependencies songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2018-05-07 21:20 +0200
        Re: pointless systemd dependencies Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> - 2018-05-08 05:30 +0200
      Re: pointless systemd dependencies Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-07 21:20 +0200
        Re: pointless systemd dependencies David Griffith <dave@661.org> - 2018-05-08 00:30 +0200
    Re: pointless systemd dependencies Abdullah Ramazanoğlu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-07 21:00 +0200
      Re: pointless systemd dependencies The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2018-05-08 05:20 +0200
        Re: pointless systemd dependencies Abdullah Ramazanoğlu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-08 11:10 +0200

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