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Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts maybe aminute till next freeze)

From "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts maybe aminute till next freeze)
Date 2024-12-13 19:50 +0100
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On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 10:36:28AM -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> 
> On 12/13/24 09:50, Max Nikulin wrote:
> > On 13/12/2024 13:37, gene heskett wrote:
> > > 
> > > IMNSHO the installer is busted. But mentioning that was a no-no.
> > 
> > Have you tried to explain your issue to installer developers in a
> > *polite* and *constructive* way? Please, post a link to prove it.
> > 
> You've built a wall around your developers that is light tight. I've got a
> tenner that says they've never seen my complaints. You purposely have made
> it quite difficult to file a bug report, IDK if mine ever got past your
> guardian angels. I did try. I am a many year subscriber to this list. Debian
> has put up road blocks that deflect most attempts to file a report at
> bugs.debian.org. Wrong dot on the i gets it rejected,  Maybe debian should
> start by fixing that batch of pot holes so we CAN file a bug report.
> 

Hey Gene,

Don't forget: there are Debian developers on this list. You're writing to
one.

People have tried to help you - and sometimes got the brush off.

I have done a few thousand Debian installs: unless I've actually wanted
to use Orca / espeak and a speech installer, I've never had the issues 
you have had.

Some Braille input devices rely on serial / USB -> serial input. It is
just possible that an install with serial cables enabled _might_ 
misidentify as a brltty.

Without error messages, the rest of us can do almost nothing except
guess. We've been asking for specifics from you for *years*

In the middle of your 30 installs I can remember corresponding with
you asking to simplify things - but no dice
.
The installer isn't necessarily broken - hundreds of people use it
every day/week/month - but something you have done at some point has
tripped an edge case, maybe. Without details / a reinstall we will
never, ever know. Complaints without substance to chase down are
just complaints.

As it is, the readers on the list are presented with an X-Y problem
pretty much every month from you.

All best, as ever, and stay well,

Andy Cater
(amacater@debian.org)

> Do like the banks do when you've updated your browser, send a code number to
> our registered address to prove we are who we claim to be.  Its a pita about
> once a month if you keep your browser up to date, BUT IT WORKS.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
> 
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
>

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restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 16:00 +0100
  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2024-12-09 16:30 +0100
  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-09 20:50 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-09 22:40 +0100
  Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-10 03:00 +0100
    Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-10 23:00 +0100
      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 05:10 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 06:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:00 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-16 00:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 15:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-16 18:10 +0100
      Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-11 03:10 +0100
        Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-11 07:20 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Bob McGowan <ramjr0915@gmail.com> - 2024-12-11 08:00 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-11 22:20 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 06:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 09:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 18:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 19:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-12 19:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 21:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze eben@gmx.us - 2024-12-12 21:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-12 20:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 10:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 10:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze tomas@tuxteam.de - 2024-12-13 11:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 13:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 00:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 01:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 04:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 05:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 18:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 17:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:10 +0100
                SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
                Re: SOLVED ? Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 14:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Tom Dial <tddial@comcast.net> - 2024-12-14 23:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 11:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 07:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 08:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 15:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze pocket@homemail.com - 2024-12-13 15:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 15:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 17:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 17:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 21:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 18:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 17:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-13 18:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-13 19:30 +0100
                Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a  minute till next freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:00 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts  maybe aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 16:40 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lasts  maybe aminute till next freeze) "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-13 19:50 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies (was: Re: restart lastsmaybe  aminute till next freeze) gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 09:00 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:50 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                Re: Installer and assistive technologies David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 22:30 +0100
                Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-14 23:30 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 05:10 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer  andassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 14:30 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer  andassistive technologies] Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 15:50 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re:  Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 18:10 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re:  Installerandassistive technologies] "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2024-12-15 18:40 +0100
                SOLVED Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS  Re:Installerandassistive technologies] gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-15 15:30 +0100
                Re: Orca install repeating - can't reproduce [WAS Re: Installer and  assistive technologies] Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 19:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-13 18:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Larry Martell <larry.martell@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 23:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 07:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@debian-user.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-12-16 17:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-13 22:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 22:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 07:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 15:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-12-14 16:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 18:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-15 10:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 16:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-15 19:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-14 20:40 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2024-12-14 21:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 21:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-14 16:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-14 17:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-14 18:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 18:50 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 19:00 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 04:20 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-13 07:40 +0100
                Disabling orca (was: Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next  freeze) Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-13 16:10 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-12-12 13:30 +0100
                Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 16:40 +0100
          Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2024-12-12 02:30 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-12-12 02:50 +0100
            Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2024-12-12 04:10 +0100
              Re: restart lasts maybe a minute till next freeze Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-12-12 04:30 +0100

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