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| From | Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? |
| Date | 2024-02-17 04:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <I8jp7-aFAE-3@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On 16/02/2024 23:35, Franco Martelli wrote:
> On 16/02/24 at 03:03, Max Nikulin wrote:
>> LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=it aptitude why firefox-esr
>
> here seems to override, tested twice with "it" and "it_IT.UTF-8":
>
> ~# env LC_ALL=C LANGUAGE=it script -T ~/test.time -a ~/test.script
You tested with LC_ALL=C, not with LC_ALL=C.UTF-8. It has been discussed
that behavior of gettext in respect to LANGUAGE is different.
I am against "C" locale in Debian official docs since it may mangle
output. I have posted it already:
LC_ALL=C ls /tmp/it/
''$'\303\250'
LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 ls /tmp/it/
è
> root@itek:~# env LC_ALL=C LANGUAGE=it_IT.UTF-8 script -T ~/test.time -a
> ~/test.script
Again, LANGUAGE value is a list of *languages*, not a locale like for
LANG or LC_*. LANGUAGE can be it:en_US:en, while this value is invalid
for LC_ALL. Do not confuse these variables.
>> Try to add "export LC_ALL=it_IT.UTF-8" to .bashrc and e.g."date" in
>> the script session.
>
> Yes, the messages are localized to it_IT.UTF-8 into the "script"
> session, however users that have set LC_ALL variable into .bashrc I
> suppose already know what are they doing.
They just noticed that such variable exists and added to their configs.
My colleague was bitten by LC_ALL. Is was a surprise when a database
started to use "," instead of "." as decimal separator and it took
enough time to find what caused drastic lost of precision. LC_ALL was
set by the system administrator in ~/.bashrc.
I like the idea to *suggest* people to use English locale for upgrades
if they are comfortable with it. It will help for searching web and
during discussions. However I believe that a UTF-8 locale is safer and
better nowadays. I hope, there is no mistakes any more:
LC_ALL=C.UTF-8; LANGUAGE=; export LC_ALL LANGUAGE
or its equivalent for user shell executed inside "script" session. I am
unsure if locale of "script" command can be an issue.
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Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 21:50 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-13 22:00 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-13 22:10 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com> - 2024-02-13 23:00 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-13 23:30 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 17:20 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-14 17:20 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 17:40 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-14 17:50 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 21:50 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-14 22:00 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 03:30 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 21:20 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 03:10 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 17:40 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-16 17:50 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-16 19:30 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 22:30 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 04:20 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-02-16 03:40 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 04:10 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2024-02-16 08:20 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-16 13:20 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 17:40 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-13 22:00 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-13 22:30 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? conover@panix.com (John Conover) - 2024-02-13 22:30 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-13 22:50 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-13 23:50 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-14 00:00 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-14 01:40 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-14 01:50 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-14 02:00 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-14 02:20 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 03:30 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-14 03:50 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-14 04:20 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-14 11:30 +0100
Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-13 23:50 +0100
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