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Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells?

From Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells?
Date 2024-02-16 22:30 +0100
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On 16/02/24 at 17:44, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> If my guess is correct, then I don't support the plan to modify the
> Debian documentation to suggest that everyone log their dist-upgrades
> in English "because if something goes wrong you will probably ask for
> help from an English speaker".  There are way too many layers of
> assumptions there.

No it wasn't for this argument that I wrote:

> "I think that a recorded session with the output of the commands in
> English is better then a localized session for debugging purposes."

In the paragraph in question ¹  I read:

"It is strongly recommended that you use the /usr/bin/script program to 
record a transcript of the upgrade session. Then if a problem occurs, 
you will have a log of what happened, and if needed, can provide exact 
information in a bug report. To start the recording, type:"

Therefore I ran "script" session to upgrade to stable 12.5, then I saw 
that the output of "apt" was localized to my native language. So I 
thought: How can I provide exact information in a bug report if I've 
only localized messages?

For this reason I've asked for feedback here before to propose a change 
to the syntax to the "script" command that IMHO it'd be:

# env LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 script -T ~/upgrade-bookwormstep.time -a 
~/upgrade-bookwormstep.script

or at the place of LC_ALL to use instead LC_MESSAGES as Teemu wrote:

On 16/02/24 at 08:13, Teemu Likonen wrote:
> To change programs' output messages to English LC_MESSAGES=C is often
> enough. Sometimes LC_TIME and LC_NUMERIC are required too.

but it seems may have drawbacks if other variables are involved.
 From the manual page of "script" command the -t option is deprecated in 
favor of -T and the above command has the advantage to be executable in 
all shells (thank to your feedback). A change is required however and 
the command proposed seems to me an improvement.

> 
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 05:35:11PM +0100, Franco Martelli wrote:
>> however users that have set LC_ALL variable into .bashrc I suppose already
>> know what are they doing.
> 
> No.  No, they do not.  They may *think* they do.  They do not.
> 
Ahah OK they do not.


¹ 
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#record-session
-- 
Franco Martelli

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Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-13 21:50 +0100
  Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-13 22:00 +0100
    Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-13 22:10 +0100
      Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Will Mengarini <seldon@eskimo.com> - 2024-02-13 23:00 +0100
        Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-13 23:30 +0100
          Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 17:20 +0100
            Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-14 17:20 +0100
              Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 17:40 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-14 17:50 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 21:50 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-14 22:00 +0100
            Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 03:30 +0100
              Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-15 21:20 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 03:10 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 17:40 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-16 17:50 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2024-02-16 19:30 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 22:30 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-17 04:20 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2024-02-16 03:40 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 04:10 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2024-02-16 08:20 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-16 13:20 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Franco Martelli <martellif67@gmail.com> - 2024-02-16 17:40 +0100
  Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-13 22:00 +0100
  Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-13 22:30 +0100
  Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? conover@panix.com (John Conover) - 2024-02-13 22:30 +0100
    Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-13 22:50 +0100
      Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2024-02-13 23:50 +0100
        Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-14 00:00 +0100
        Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-14 01:40 +0100
          Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2024-02-14 01:50 +0100
          Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-14 02:00 +0100
            Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-14 02:20 +0100
            Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> - 2024-02-14 03:30 +0100
              Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-14 03:50 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2024-02-14 04:20 +0100
                Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-14 11:30 +0100
      Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells? Gremlin <scott-andrews@columbus.rr.com> - 2024-02-13 23:50 +0100

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