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Sorting messages by threads - was - Re: List administrators - request for intervention

From Bret Busby <bret@busby.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Sorting messages by threads - was - Re: List administrators - request for intervention
Date 2023-08-13 05:10 +0200
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On 13/8/23 08:12, davidson wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 Bret Busby wrote:
> [snip]
>> Hello.
>>
>> Could the List administrators please shut down both this thread and 
>> the "unubscribe" thread?
> 
> In alpine, I have a filter rule that moves all debian-user messages
> from my inbox to a dedicated folder.
> 
> Here is a sample of what I see in alpine, when I view the contents of
> that mail folder, in threaded mode with threads collapsed:
> 
> %<------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>      18284  9:42      Hans                          (7K)   Re: 
> libkscreenlocker5:
>    N 18285 Yesterday  peter@easthope.ca             (6K) > Crosshairs in 
> gimp 2.1
>    N 18288 15:45      Erwan David                   (8K) > Swap size in 
> debain 12
>      18292 12:35      Greg Wooledge                 (7K)   Re: Mailing 
> list unsub
> * N 18293 Wednesday  Carl Fink                     (6K) > Sound loses my 
> analog *   18298 Thursday   glenn green                   (6K) > UNUBSCRIBE
>    N 18332 11:44      Piscium                       (7K) > Cannot 
> install Debian
>    N 18339 13:45      peter@easthope.ca             (6K) > Time stamps 
> on session
> *   18342 14:49      gene heskett                  (6K) > setting up 
> network wit
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>%
> 
> All 34 messages (at this time) to the UNUBSCRIBE thread are collapsed;
> only the OP's initial message is visible. As long as I retain the
> thread-initial message, subsequent contributions to that thread will
> be invisible, in this collapsed view.
> 
> If a thread interests me, say Carl Fink's, I can expand it:
> 
> %<------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>      18284  9:42      Hans                          (7K)   Re: 
> libkscreenlocker5:
>    N 18285 Yesterday  peter@easthope.ca             (6K) > Crosshairs in 
> gimp 2.1
>    N 18288 15:45      Erwan David                   (8K) > Swap size in 
> debain 12
>      18292 12:35      Greg Wooledge                 (7K)   Re: Mailing 
> list unsub
> *   18293 Wednesday  Carl Fink                     (6K) . Sound loses my 
> analog *   18294 Thursday   Marco                         (5K) . \-Re: 
> Sound loses my a
>      18295 Yesterday  Carl Fink                    (30K) .   \-Re: Sound 
> loses my
>      18296  5:05      Marco                         (5K) .     \-Re: 
> Sound loses
>    N 18297 14:49      Carl Fink                     (6K)         \-Re: 
> Sound lose
> *   18298 Thursday   glenn green                   (6K) > UNUBSCRIBE
>    N 18332 11:44      Piscium                       (7K) > Cannot 
> install Debian
>    N 18339 13:45      peter@easthope.ca             (6K) > Time stamps 
> on session
> *   18342 14:49      gene heskett                  (6K) > setting up 
> network wit
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------>%
> 
> But if a thread does *not* interest me, I don't expand it, and then
> the only visible effect of subsequent contributions to that thread is
> to promote the thread down the list (since threads nearer the bottom
> are more recently active).
> 
>>
> [snip]
>> So, please, shut the two threads down, so the mailing list can return 
>> to the subject matter for which the list was created and is 
>> maintained; discussion of the use of Debian, and, seeking help with 
>> the operating system, and, not the extraneous (extreme euphemism) 
>> "stuff", that has arisen, like a living, growing, cesspool.
> 
> The foregoing demonstration is meant to show how, using alpine's
> threaded mode, I minimise my irritation with threads that I find
> irrelevant to my interests: I view debian-user in threaded mode with
> collapsed threads, and simply do not expand the ones that don't
> concern me.
> 
> I believe these are the config settings I use to enable this:
> 
>      ...
>      [X]  Thread Sorts by Arrival
>      ...
>      Sort Key                          =
>              Set    Sort Options
>              ---  ----------------------
>              ( )  Subject
>              ( )  Arrival
>              ( )  From
>              ( )  To
>              ( )  Cc
>              ( )  Date
>              ( )  siZe
>              ( )  OrderedSubj
>              ( )  scorE
>              (*)  tHread
>              ( )  Reverse Subject
>              ( )  Reverse Arrival
>              ( )  Reverse From
>              ( )  Reverse To
>              ( )  Reverse Cc
>              ( )  Reverse Date
>              ( )  Reverse siZe
>              ( )  Reverse OrderedSubj
>              ( )  Reverse scorE
>              ( )  Reverse tHread
>              ...
>      Threading Display Style           =
>              Set    Rule Values
>              ---  ----------------------
>              ( )  none
>              (*)  show-thread-structure    (default)
>              ( )  mutt-like
>              ( )  indent-subject-1
>              ( )  indent-subject-2
>              ( )  indent-from-1
>              ( )  indent-from-2
>              ( )  show-structure-in-from
>              ...
>      Threading Index Style             =
>              Set    Rule Values
>              ---  ----------------------
>              ( )  regular-index-with-expanded-threads
>              (*)  regular-index-with-collapsed-threads
>              ( )  separate-index-screen-always
>              ( )  separate-index-screen-except-for-single-messages
>      Threading Indicator Character     = <No Value Set: using ">">
>      Threading Expanded Character      = <No Value Set: using ".">
>      Threading Last Reply Character    = <No Value Set: using "\">
> 
> I like also to set the option below, because I find that being able to
> collapse sub-threads turns out to be more confusing (to me) than it is
> helpful.
> 
>      [X]  Slash Collapses Entire Thread
> 

I use alpine for downloading email and archiving it, and for responding 
to less urgent messages. I have found pine -> alpine to be the most 
powerful email application, with the massive amount of filters and 
filter values that I have, and, the quantity of messages that I have 
stored (about 20-25 years of messages; about 20GB).

I use Thunderbird as a webmail application, for viewing messages in the 
inbox, and, for responding to messages, when I want to make a response 
within a short period of time, or immediately, and, for some simple and 
quick junk filtering.

I do not like sorting by threads, I prefer sorting by arrival; 
unfortunately, over time, pine -> alpine corrupted the sorting by 
arrival, that previously existed, so, now, I use sorting by date.

Different people have different  preferences; "horses for courses".

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

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                Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-08-12 01:30 +0200
                Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio zithro <slack@rabbit.lu> - 2023-08-12 02:10 +0200
                List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re: Mailing  list unsubscription requests and identificatio Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-08-12 03:00 +0200
                Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re:  Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@einval.com> - 2023-08-12 15:30 +0200
                Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re:  Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 03:40 +0200
                Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re:  Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2023-08-13 02:20 +0200
                Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re:  Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2023-08-13 02:30 +0200
                Sorting messages by threads - was - Re: List administrators - request  for intervention Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-08-13 05:10 +0200
                Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re:  Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2023-08-13 05:50 +0200
                Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re:  Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2023-08-13 21:40 +0200
                Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re:  Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2023-08-13 22:50 +0200
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                Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re:  Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio Bret Busby <bret@busby.net> - 2023-08-14 00:40 +0200
                Re: List administrators - request for intervention - was - Re:  Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2023-08-14 20:30 +0200
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                Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-08-12 04:40 +0200
                Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio zithro <slack@rabbit.lu> - 2023-08-14 18:30 +0200
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                Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio gene heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2023-08-12 21:00 +0200
                Re: Mailing list unsubscription requests and identificatio David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2023-08-12 05:20 +0200
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