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Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed

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On 2020-07-07 09:57, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 09:45:56AM -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
>> I did install it and it is a single package. It runs fine in parallel with
>> the esr release. Hopefully the maintainers will continue the practice of
>> having firefox and firefox_esr available and bring it to Testing.
> You don't understand what testing *IS*!
>
> Testing is not a "rolling release".
>
> Testing is not a thing you use because it makes you cooler.
>
> Testing is not a thing you use because it has higher version numbers of
> packages, and the sum of all the package version numbers is your score,
> and having a higher score makes you win the game.
>
> Testing is not a thing you use because you're an immature child who thinks
> any package more than a year old is, like, TOO OLD TO BE USED BY ANYONE,
> like ohmygod.
>
> Testing is the NEXT STABLE RELEASE.
>
> Testing is what will become Debian 11, bullseye, in a year or two.
>
> When bullseye is stable, it will not have an unstable firefox package.
>
> When bullseye is stable, it will have firefox-esr, which is a stable
> package (or as close as you can get with a browser), because it is a
> stable release.
>
> Therefore, testing has firefox-esr.
>
> You run testing because you want to help TEST THE NEXT STABLE RELEASE,
> so that you can find bugs in it and report them, and get them fixed
> before the release.
>
> Because they sure as hell will not be fixed AFTER the release.  This is
> your one and only chance.
>
> If you are the kind of person who MUST HAVE THE LATEST THING, then
> Debian is not meant for you.
>
> This includes browsers.

The package maintainers are who make packages stable, not the product 
developers.

There is nothing to prevent a none-esr version of Firefox from making it 
into stable. The maintainers just need to install the bug fix patches 
created to fix the bugs in that particular version. This is exactly what 
they do when significant bugs are found in the stable version of any 
package (in fact, a significant security bug was patched in 
Stretch/Stable a couple of years back that broke things. I had to hold 
the package back until Buster became the new Stable).

I agree that Mozilla's decision to abandon reasonable numbering is a 
problem. But the esr release is a year old at this point and will be 
even older by the time Bullseye becomes stable.

The other issue is what's the point of a non-esr package in SID if it's 
not going to make it down to Testing then Stable? Version 78 is the next 
esr release anyway, so why put the non-esr edition in SID?

Anyway, I run the esr version normally, but having a significantly newer 
version available for those who want it doesn't seem like a bad thing. I 
remember not too long ago when Stable had two versions of Scribus...

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Firefox non-ESR update needed Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2020-07-07 00:20 +0200
  Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-07-07 00:30 +0200
    Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2020-07-07 05:30 +0200
      Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-07-07 10:00 +0200
    Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Keith bainbridge <keithrbau@gmail.com> - 2020-07-07 05:50 +0200
      Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Keith bainbridge <keithrbau@gmail.com> - 2020-07-08 02:20 +0200
  Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Bob Weber <bobrweber@gmail.com> - 2020-07-07 02:10 +0200
    Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2020-07-07 05:40 +0200
      Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-07 09:00 +0200
        Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2020-07-07 15:50 +0200
          Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-07 16:00 +0200
            Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-07-07 16:10 +0200
              Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-07 16:30 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-07-08 17:20 +0200
              Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-07-07 17:40 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-07-07 18:10 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-07-07 18:10 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed  John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-07-07 18:40 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-07-07 19:30 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-07 19:40 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2020-07-07 19:50 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2020-07-08 23:20 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Peter Ehlert <peter@sdi-baja.com> - 2020-07-07 18:50 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-07-07 19:30 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-07 21:20 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-07-07 21:40 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-07-07 23:30 +0200
            Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Gary Dale <gary@extremeground.com> - 2020-07-07 22:30 +0200
              Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-07-07 22:50 +0200
              Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-07-07 23:00 +0200
              Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-07-07 23:10 +0200
                Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed davidson <davidson@freevolt.org> - 2020-07-07 23:50 +0200
              Re: Firefox non-ESR update needed Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-07-08 07:20 +0200

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