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Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

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Looking at the Wikipedia entry for Devuan -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devuan - it appears that the folks over there
have had to modify precisely udisks2 and policykit. This is not a Devuan
support list - but it looks as if stock Debian may not allow the switch
once a full system is installed. If you were to install only a minimum,
text-only system, switch to sysvinit and then use tasksel to add the MATE
desktop environment, it might then work but there's no guarantee unless you
try this.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy C.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 12:30 PM Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> wrote:

>         Hi.
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 07:28:34PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> > So, my question is:  Can I replace systemd with sysvint and still keep
> MATE?
>
> Exibit 1 (mate-core and systemd-sysv are installed):
>
> # apt install sysvinit-core systemd-
> ...
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>   caja dbus-user-session gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-daemons libpam-systemd
> ...
>   systemd systemd-sysv udisks2
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   initscripts insserv startpar sysv-rc sysvinit-core
>
> Exibit 2:
>
> # apt install sysvinit-core systemd- udisks2
> ...
>  udisks2 : Depends: libpam-systemd but it is not going to be installed
>
>
> Exibit 3:
>
> # apt install sysvinit-core systemd- policykit-1
> ...
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  policykit-1 : Depends: libpam-systemd but it is not going to be installed
>
>
> So, to answer your question. It may be possible to keep assorted MATE
> programs (text editor, terminal, etc) and have sysvinit-core installed.
> But everything that makes MATE the DE (i.e. file manager, panel,
> session, etc) is tied to either udisks2 or policykit, and you cannot
> keep those (both require libpam-systemd) and have sysvinit-sysv.
>
> Even if you cheat it with equivs, and create a replacement package
> for libpam-systemd, both udisks2 or policykit - you'll just break those
> and leave yourself with non-mounting storage media and without the
> ability to suspend and poweroff.
>
> Reco
>
>

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Buster with MATE without systemd Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 04:50 +0200
  Re: Buster with MATE without systemd songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2020-09-16 12:20 +0200
  Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 14:00 +0200
  Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-09-16 14:00 +0200
  Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-09-16 14:40 +0200
    Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Andrew Cater <amacater@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 15:10 +0200
  Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Nito <nito@dismail.de> - 2020-09-16 15:20 +0200
  Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 19:50 +0200
    Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-09-16 20:10 +0200
      Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 01:40 +0200
        Re: Buster with MATE without systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-09-17 03:20 +0200
          Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 04:50 +0200
          Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 05:10 +0200
            Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 06:40 +0200
              Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 09:00 +0200
              Re: Buster with MATE without systemd "Rick Thomas" <rick.thomas@pobox.com> - 2020-09-17 09:10 +0200
              Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 09:40 +0200
    Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-09-16 21:40 +0200
      Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-09-16 22:00 +0200
        Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-09-16 22:10 +0200
      Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2020-09-17 02:50 +0200
    Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-09-18 09:40 +0200
      Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2020-09-19 07:50 +0200
        Re: Buster with MATE without systemd Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-09-19 13:50 +0200
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