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  Policy proposal: Consistent use of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2020-09-28 02:10 +0200
    Re: Policy proposal: Consistent use of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog Emmanuel Arias <emmanuelarias30@gmail.com> - 2020-09-28 02:40 +0200
    Re: Policy proposal: Consistent use of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog Nick Morrott <knowledgejunkie@gmail.com> - 2020-09-28 02:50 +0200
    Re: Policy proposal: Consistent use of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> - 2020-09-28 13:30 +0200
    Re: Policy proposal: Consistent use of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog Ondrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org> - 2020-09-28 15:00 +0200
      Re: Policy proposal: Consistent use of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2020-10-06 18:00 +0200
        Re: Policy proposal: Consistent use of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2020-10-06 18:10 +0200
          Re: Policy proposal: Consistent use of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog Emmanuel Arias <eamanu@yaerobi.com> - 2020-10-06 20:40 +0200

#12901 — Policy proposal: Consistent use of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog

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Hi!

I am proposing a minor addition to the DPT policy to try to make the use
of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog more consistent. The full diff can be
found here [1].

The problem this tries to solves is inconsistent use of UNRELEASED in
debian/changelog. Some people do not use it at all, and it can make
working on team packages harder.

Indeed, if you try to modify a package, if people don't use UNRELEASED,
you first need to check if the current VCS version has been uploaded to
the archive or not. This complicates the life of people doing mass
updates, as they can't rely on packages with `unstable` having been
uploaded.

This be can seen for example in the latest batch of updates by onovy,
where new versions of a package were made instead of marking changes as
addition to a yet to be released version, because some packages were
marked `unstable` but hadn't been uploaded.

I don't think it's a lot to ask and will surely make team contributions
more pleasant :)

Cheers,

[1]:
https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/merge_requests/15

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  ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁  Louis-Philippe Véronneau
  ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋   pollo@debian.org / veronneau.org
  ⠈⠳⣄

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#12902

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Hi,



El dom., 27 de sep. de 2020 a la(s) 21:08, Louis-Philippe Véronneau (
pollo@debian.org) escribió:

> Hi!
>
> I am proposing a minor addition to the DPT policy to try to make the use
> of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog more consistent. The full diff can be
> found here [1].
>
> The problem this tries to solves is inconsistent use of UNRELEASED in
> debian/changelog. Some people do not use it at all, and it can make
> working on team packages harder.
>
> Indeed, if you try to modify a package, if people don't use UNRELEASED,
> you first need to check if the current VCS version has been uploaded to
> the archive or not. This complicates the life of people doing mass
> updates, as they can't rely on packages with `unstable` having been
> uploaded.
>
> This be can seen for example in the latest batch of updates by onovy,
> where new versions of a package were made instead of marking changes as
> addition to a yet to be released version, because some packages were
> marked `unstable` but hadn't been uploaded.
>
> I don't think it's a lot to ask and will surely make team contributions
> more pleasant :)
>
>
Yes, +1 for this please.

Cheers,
eamanu

Cheers,
>
> [1]:
>
> https://salsa.debian.org/python-team/tools/python-modules/-/merge_requests/15
>
> --
>   ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
>   ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁  Louis-Philippe Véronneau
>   ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋   pollo@debian.org / veronneau.org
>   ⠈⠳⣄
>
>

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#12903

On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 01:08, Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> I am proposing a minor addition to the DPT policy to try to make the use
> of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog more consistent. The full diff can be
> found here

+1. Seems to match what we do in the Perl team.

Thanks,
Nick

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#12904

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On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 08:07:29PM -0400, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote:
> The problem this tries to solves is inconsistent use of UNRELEASED in
> debian/changelog. Some people do not use it at all, and it can make
> working on team packages harder.
> 
> Indeed, if you try to modify a package, if people don't use UNRELEASED,
> you first need to check if the current VCS version has been uploaded to
> the archive or not. This complicates the life of people doing mass
> updates, as they can't rely on packages with `unstable` having been
> uploaded.

I just want to point people towards the fact that the Janitor's is now
being clever about recognizing whether a package is using `gbp dch`
(which I believe is the case you refer to when you say that UNRELEASED
is not used), or changelog entires are added whenever a change is done.


That said, I acknoledge that it makes sense to converge on a single
solution for the whole team, and honestly I don't have much of a strong
preference towards either one.

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#12905

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Hi,

po 28. 9. 2020 v 2:08 odesílatel Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org>
napsal:

> Hi!
>
> I am proposing a minor addition to the DPT policy to try to make the use
> of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog more consistent. The full diff can be
> found here [1].
>

I agree with this proposal but please change the wording a bit as
per rfc2119 :)

-- 
Best regards
 Ondřej Nový

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#12927

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On 2020-09-28 08 h 40, Ondrej Novy wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> po 28. 9. 2020 v 2:08 odesílatel Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org>
> napsal:
> 
>> Hi!
>>
>> I am proposing a minor addition to the DPT policy to try to make the use
>> of UNRELEASED in debian/changelog more consistent. The full diff can be
>> found here [1].
>>
> 
> I agree with this proposal but please change the wording a bit as
> per rfc2119 :)
> 
Thanks for all the comments and improvements people proposed.

Ondřej merged my MR last night, so it's now part of policy.

Cheers,

-- 
  ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
  ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁  Louis-Philippe Véronneau
  ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋   pollo@debian.org / veronneau.org
  ⠈⠳⣄

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#12928

On 2020/10/06 17:53, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote:
> Thanks for all the comments and improvements people proposed.
> 
> Ondřej merged my MR last night, so it's now part of policy.

Yay! Thanks!

-Jonathan

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#12931

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 1:03 PM Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> wrote:

> On 2020/10/06 17:53, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote:
> > Thanks for all the comments and improvements people proposed.
> >
> > Ondřej merged my MR last night, so it's now part of policy.
>
Great!

>
> Yay! Thanks!
>
> -Jonathan
>
> --
>   ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀  Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) <jcc>
>   ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁  https://wiki.debian.org/highvoltage
>   ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋   https://debian.org | https://jonathancarter.org
>   ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀  Debian, the universal operating system.
>
>

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