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Bug#1030530: Python 3.10 in bookworm

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From	Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net>
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Subject	Bug#1030530: Python 3.10 in bookworm
Date	Sun, 05 Feb 2023 15:00:01 +0100
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Our social contract #4 says "Our priorities are our users and free
software".  What benefits would having the python3.10 base packages in
bookworm bring for our users (as I point out, for some users, this is
a necessity) and what disadvantages would it bring (none that I can
think of)?  Why would we tell a whole bunch of our users: "Don't
upgrade to Debian 12 until all of the critical packages you use from
PyPI are upgraded to support Python 3.11, or fix those packages
yourself"?

And may I politely remind you, Thomas, that you are very
concerned about breaking things for people:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=973617#40
This is likely a far greater impact than the discussion there on many
more people.

Best wishes,

   Julian

On Sun, Feb 05, 2023 at 12:25:18PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> How about fixing the 3.11 issues if you hit them ? How about using Buster and 3.9 if 3.11 doesn't work (yet) for you ?
> 
> Thomas Goirand (zigo)
> On Feb 5, 2023 11:38, Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> wrote:
> >
> > Why is the current intention not to ship the python3.10 package in 
> > bookworm? 
> >
> > I was trying to run some experiments in a virtual environment a few 
> > days ago, and it turns out that several of the Python packages I 
> > needed do not yet run on Python 3.11.  I was saved by being able to 
> > run in a Python 3.10 venv and download all the required packages from 
> > PyPI.  If bookworm shipped without python3.10, I would not have been 
> > able to do my work.  Removing python3.10 from bookworm will seriously 
> > affect many of our users in a similar situation to me. 
> >
> > Best wishes, 
> >
> >    Julian 
> >
> > P.S. We should also fix #1036268 if we do keep python3.10 in bookworm; 
> > I'm happy to do an NMU if needed.

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Bug#1030530: Python 3.10 in bookworm Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2023-02-05 15:00 +0100
  Re: Python 3.10 in bookworm Danial Behzadi دانیال بهزادی <dani.behzi@ubuntu.com> - 2023-02-07 07:00 +0100
    Re: Python 3.10 in bookworm Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2023-02-07 16:30 +0100

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