Path: csiph.com!news.neodome.net!fu-berlin.de!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Julian Gilbey Newsgroups: linux.debian.bugs.dist,linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Bug#1030530: Python 3.10 in bookworm Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2023 15:00:01 +0100 Message-ID: References: X-Original-To: Thomas Goirand X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-bugs-dist-request@lists.debian.org Sun Feb 5 13:54:11 2023 Old-Return-Path: X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.75 Reply-To: Julian Gilbey , 1030530@bugs.debian.org Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org Resent-Cc: Matthias Klose X-Debian-Pr-Message: followup 1030530 X-Debian-Pr-Package: python3.10 X-Debian-Pr-Source: python3.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Debian-Message: from BTS X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/1758286 List-ID: List-URL: Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 42 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Cc: 1030530@bugs.debian.org, Debian Python list X-Original-Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 13:50:34 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-References: <167552963796.11916.18092939128144656065.reportbug@localhost> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.bugs.dist:1136452 linux.debian.maint.python:14891 Our social contract #4 says "Our priorities are our users and free software". What benefits would having the python3.10 base packages in bookworm bring for our users (as I point out, for some users, this is a necessity) and what disadvantages would it bring (none that I can think of)? Why would we tell a whole bunch of our users: "Don't upgrade to Debian 12 until all of the critical packages you use from PyPI are upgraded to support Python 3.11, or fix those packages yourself"? And may I politely remind you, Thomas, that you are very concerned about breaking things for people: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=973617#40 This is likely a far greater impact than the discussion there on many more people. Best wishes, Julian On Sun, Feb 05, 2023 at 12:25:18PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: > How about fixing the 3.11 issues if you hit them ? How about using Buster and 3.9 if 3.11 doesn't work (yet) for you ? > > Thomas Goirand (zigo) > On Feb 5, 2023 11:38, Julian Gilbey wrote: > > > > Why is the current intention not to ship the python3.10 package in > > bookworm? > > > > I was trying to run some experiments in a virtual environment a few > > days ago, and it turns out that several of the Python packages I > > needed do not yet run on Python 3.11.  I was saved by being able to > > run in a Python 3.10 venv and download all the required packages from > > PyPI.  If bookworm shipped without python3.10, I would not have been > > able to do my work.  Removing python3.10 from bookworm will seriously > > affect many of our users in a similar situation to me. > > > > Best wishes, > > > >    Julian > > > > P.S. We should also fix #1036268 if we do keep python3.10 in bookworm; > > I'm happy to do an NMU if needed.