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Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm?

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On 2022-12-12 18 h 51, Graham Inggs wrote:
> Dear Python Team
> 
> Looking at the current state of the 'adding Python 3.11 as a supported
> version' transition [1], the tracker [2] shows only 12 red packages
> (excluding unknowns and packages not in testing) remaining, copied
> below for reference.
> 
> We believe all FTBFS and autopkgtest regression bugs have already been
> filed and tagged.
> 
> The current state of bugs tagged 'python3.11' [3] is 116 resolved and
> 49 still open.  Many thanks to everyone who has contributed to fixing
> these, and especially to the organizers of the recent Python sprint
> [4].
> 
> As this transition is non-blocking (i.e. uploaded packages are able to
> migrate ahead of python3-defaults), we could wait for the remaining
> bugs to be fixed, or for auto-removal to take its course.  However,
> with the bookworm transition freeze only one month away [5], we'd like
> to hear from the Python Team within the next week whether they wish to
> proceed with Python 3.11 being the only supported version for bookworm
> (in which case we will allow python3-defaults to migrate right now)
> or, revert the changes in python3-defaults and have Python 3.10 as the
> only supported version for bookworm.
> 
> Should it be the former, we'd like an undertaking from the Python Team
> that they will help resolve the remaining bugs against key packages
> [6], as these cannot easily be avoided by manual or auto-removals.
> 
> On behalf of the Release Team
> Graham

I still feel the move to 3.11 so late in the release cycle was cavalier 
and we should have used our energies to fix issues we had in the archive 
instead of trying to fix 3.11 bugs.

I've said it already here, but it's very frustrating to work on 
packaging python libraries and apps for a whole release cycle, just to 
see all that work put in the bin at the last minute because upstream 
doesn't support 3.11.

I hate to be put in a position where I have to tell upstreams (some with 
whom I've been collaborating for years) "ahem, by the way, you have 2 
months to fix this or it won't be in the next Debian stable release".

That said, 3.11 proponents certainly walked the walk and fixed a lot of 
stuff already. Kudos to them.

I don't feel like I can take position on this. I'm certainly biased by 
one of the packages I really care about not being 3.11 compatible (and 
probably won't be before the release).

All I know is this late transition leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

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Python 3.11 for bookworm? Graham Inggs <ginggs@debian.org> - 2022-12-13 01:00 +0100
  Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Andrius Merkys <merkys@debian.org> - 2022-12-13 08:20 +0100
    Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Graham Inggs <ginggs@debian.org> - 2022-12-13 19:50 +0100
  Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Timo Röhling <roehling@debian.org> - 2022-12-13 10:20 +0100
    Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? c.buhtz@posteo.jp - 2022-12-13 11:00 +0100
      Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Dmitry Shachnev <mitya57@debian.org> - 2022-12-13 11:10 +0100
      Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2022-12-15 16:10 +0100
        Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Dmitry Shachnev <mitya57@debian.org> - 2022-12-15 17:20 +0100
  Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-12-13 13:40 +0100
    Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2022-12-15 16:20 +0100
      Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-12-18 19:10 +0100
        Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-12-19 10:50 +0100
          Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Jochen Sprickerhof <jspricke@debian.org> - 2022-12-19 17:00 +0100
            Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-12-19 21:30 +0100
  Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2022-12-13 17:10 +0100
  Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2022-12-15 16:20 +0100
    Re: Python 3.11 for bookworm? Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2022-12-16 10:50 +0100

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