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Re: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF

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On 2022-07-27 03 h 52, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> On 7/25/22 09:37, Julian Gilbey wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2022 at 07:52:19PM +0200, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote:
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> We had a Python Team BoF at DC22 earlier today and I thought relaying 
>>> the
>>> notes we took in gobby here would be a good idea.
>>
>> Thanks for the notes, Louis-Philippe, and sorry I couldn't join you!
>>
>> A few comments....
>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> == python3.11 ==
>>>
>>> python3.11 release has been delayed, from october 2022 to december 2022.
>>> [...]
>>
>> My 2 cents' worth is as the 3.9->3.10 transition took several months,
>> and was quite complicated, it is not wise to attempt the 3.10->3.11
>> before the freeze.  We could then potentially go straight to 3.12 a
>> few months after the bookworm freeze rather than going to 3.11 first.
>> And that will probably be quite painful.
> 
> I agree, also because 3.10 wont be EOL before Bookworm becomes LTS.

As I said during the BoF, I'm also in favor of sticking with 3.10 for 
bookworm.

I think we should aim for a stable Python ecosystem. Using the time we 
have left to iron out bugs and failures in our packages for 3.10 sounds 
like a much better decision than trying to fix a ton of RC bugs for 3.11 
in time for the final freeze.

> However, it's quite tempting to upgrade to 3.11 because:
> - our users will prefer having the latest stable release of Python in 
> our latest release, rather than an old version.
> - 3.11 has many optimization (it's said to be 25% faster)
> 
> So if we can at least TRY, it's not a so bad idea... Hopefully, we can 
> take the decision to reverse if needed.

AFAIU, doko said it was pretty hard to go back, since that meant 
recompiling pretty much all the python extensions.

I'd much rather we don't waste tons of energy trying to get 3.11 and 
then deciding it's not working. We know we only have a 2-3 months window 
of opportunity to make the transition, IMO that's too short.

-- 
   ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
   ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁  Louis-Philippe Véronneau
   ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋   pollo@debian.org / veronneau.org
   ⠈⠳⣄

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Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2022-07-23 20:00 +0200
  Re: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-07-25 09:40 +0200
    Re: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF Thomas Goirand <zigo@debian.org> - 2022-07-27 10:00 +0200
      Re: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2022-07-27 16:20 +0200
  pybuild-autopkgtest (was: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF) Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-07-25 10:10 +0200
    Re: pybuild-autopkgtest (was: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF) Antonio Terceiro <terceiro@debian.org> - 2022-07-26 17:00 +0200
      Re: pybuild-autopkgtest (was: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF) Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2022-07-26 17:50 +0200
        Re: pybuild-autopkgtest (was: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF) Antonio Terceiro <terceiro@debian.org> - 2022-07-26 23:00 +0200
          Re: pybuild-autopkgtest (was: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF) Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2022-07-27 02:20 +0200
            Re: pybuild-autopkgtest (was: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF) Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2022-07-27 05:50 +0200
      Re: pybuild-autopkgtest (was: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF) Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-07-27 10:20 +0200
        Re: pybuild-autopkgtest (was: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF) Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2022-07-27 16:30 +0200
          Re: pybuild-autopkgtest (was: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF) Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-07-27 20:50 +0200
            Re: pybuild-autopkgtest (was: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF) Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-07-27 22:40 +0200
              Re: pybuild-autopkgtest (was: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF) Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2022-07-28 20:50 +0200
              Re: pybuild-autopkgtest (was: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF) Louis-Philippe Véronneau <pollo@debian.org> - 2022-08-18 02:00 +0200
        Re: pybuild-autopkgtest (was: Notes from the DC22 Python Team BoF) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2022-07-27 18:50 +0200

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