Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion

From	Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org>
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Subject	Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion
Date	2025-03-08 15:00 +0100
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On Sat, Mar 08, 2025 at 02:51:29PM +0100, Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues wrote:
>If you don't trust the vendor, then it makes no difference whether or not new
>official firmware/microcode can be uploaded/flashed or not. If you don't trust
>the vendor, then the initial microcode that came with your device might already
>be doing things that go against your interests.
>
>Of course we cannot have much confidence in a piece of microcode of which we do
>not have the source code. But we also cannot have much confidence in a piece of
>hardware with non-flashable firmware of which we don't have the vhdl/verilog
>sources. So what is the difference?

This is an old argument that didn't work for people holding this opinion 
before and do I wouldn't expect it to work now. I don't expect that 
people's opinions on this matter can be changed.


-- 
WBR, wRAR

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Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-03-07 22:00 +0100
  Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2025-03-08 12:50 +0100
    Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-03-08 13:50 +0100
      Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion Aurélien COUDERC <libre@coucouf.fr> - 2025-03-08 14:30 +0100
      Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion  of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-03-08 15:00 +0100
        Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion  of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-03-10 12:00 +0100
      Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-03-08 16:30 +0100
      Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues <josch@debian.org> - 2025-03-08 16:30 +0100
        Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2025-03-08 16:50 +0100
        Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of  Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion Stephan Verbücheln <verbuecheln@posteo.de> - 2025-03-08 23:40 +0100
  Re: Reconsidering Debian’s Inclusion of  Non-Free Firmware - A Call for Discussion Stephan Verbücheln <verbuecheln@posteo.de> - 2025-03-08 16:40 +0100

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