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  Pan - signature mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2015-10-21 21:10 +0000
    Re: Pan - signature DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2015-10-21 22:19 +0000
      Re: Pan - signature mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2015-10-21 23:58 +0000
      Re: Pan - signature mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2015-10-22 01:15 +0000
        Re: Pan - signature DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2015-10-22 19:05 +0000
          Re: Pan - signature mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2015-10-22 21:34 +0100
            Re: Pan - signature DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2015-10-24 12:16 +0000
              Re: Pan - signature mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2015-10-24 16:39 +0100
                Re: Pan - signature DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2015-10-24 16:33 +0000
                  Re: Pan - signature Alex Potter <spambin@alepot.org> - 2015-10-24 17:44 +0100
                    Re: Pan - signature DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2015-10-24 17:00 +0000
                      Re: Pan - signature Alex Potter <spambin@alepot.org> - 2015-10-24 18:36 +0100
                  Re: Pan - signature mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2015-10-24 18:25 +0100
                    Re: Pan - signature DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2015-10-24 21:55 +0000
                      Re: Pan - signature mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2015-10-25 00:54 +0100
                        Re: Pan - signature DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2015-10-25 10:44 +0000
                          Re: Pan - signature mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2015-10-25 11:59 +0000
                            Re: Pan - signature DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2015-10-25 14:15 +0000
                              Re: Pan - signature mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2015-10-25 19:35 +0000
                  Re: Pan - signature mick <nospam@junk.mail> - 2015-10-24 21:37 +0100
                    Re: Pan - signature DaveG <nospam@nospam.net> - 2015-10-24 21:56 +0000
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#21 — Pan - signature

When composing new or replies there are four lines between this line and 
the signature.  Is there any way to reduce this down to two lines by 
default, other than having to delete the excess space manually when typing?



-- 
mick

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#22

On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:10:22 +0000, mick wrote:

> When composing new or replies there are four lines between this line and
> the signature.  Is there any way to reduce this down to two lines by
> default, other than having to delete the excess space manually when
> typing?

From what I see, it's three lines, and that's normal if replying as the 
cursor is placed on line 2, leaving a blank line between the quoted text 
and your new text, plus a blank line in place to keep the sig separate 
from your reply.

Creating a new post should show two blank lines above the sig, the cursor 
placed for typing on Line 1 so that line 2 stays as a separator between 
your text and the sig,

Are you sure there isn't an extra blank line or two in your sig?  How are 
you adding the sig?  Is it text in the box, a selected file or a program 
generating it?

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#23

On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:19:11 +0000, DaveG wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:10:22 +0000, mick wrote:
> 
>> When composing new or replies there are four lines between this line
>> and the signature.  Is there any way to reduce this down to two lines
>> by default, other than having to delete the excess space manually when
>> typing?
> 
> From what I see, it's three lines, and that's normal if replying as the
> cursor is placed on line 2, leaving a blank line between the quoted text
> and your new text, plus a blank line in place to keep the sig separate
> from your reply.
> 
> Creating a new post should show two blank lines above the sig, the
> cursor placed for typing on Line 1 so that line 2 stays as a separator
> between your text and the sig,
> 
> Are you sure there isn't an extra blank line or two in your sig?  How
> are you adding the sig?  Is it text in the box, a selected file or a
> program generating it?

I'm typing where the cursor started. Sig is text in the box.



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mick

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#24

On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:19:11 +0000, DaveG wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:10:22 +0000, mick wrote:
> 
>> When composing new or replies there are four lines between this line
>> and the signature.  Is there any way to reduce this down to two lines
>> by default, other than having to delete the excess space manually when
>> typing?
> 
> From what I see, it's three lines, and that's normal if replying as the
> cursor is placed on line 2, leaving a blank line between the quoted text
> and your new text, plus a blank line in place to keep the sig separate
> from your reply.

Its a blank line, cursor on line 2, which is normal, then 3 blank lines 
above the two dashes.

> Creating a new post should show two blank lines above the sig, the
> cursor placed for typing on Line 1 so that line 2 stays as a separator
> between your text and the sig,

No, its 4 blank lines.

> Are you sure there isn't an extra blank line or two in your sig?  How
> are you adding the sig?  Is it text in the box, a selected file or a
> program generating it?

In the Posting Profile settings it is Signature Type = Text and mick in 
the box below.
I have tried it with a text file with my signature in it but it is still 
the same outcome. It does not matter if my name has spaces before it as 
they are ignored when posting.
It is all down to where Pan is actually putting the two dashes.
I have been going back through the groups looking at some old posts I did 
using Pan.  They have been posted from Linux Mint Cinnamon, Mint KDE and 
PClinuxOS.  All show the same blanks line above the sig.



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mick 

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#25

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 01:15:30 +0000, mick wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:19:11 +0000, DaveG wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:10:22 +0000, mick wrote:
>> 
>>> When composing new or replies there are four lines between this line
>>> and the signature.  Is there any way to reduce this down to two lines
>>> by default, other than having to delete the excess space manually when
>>> typing?
>> 
>> From what I see, it's three lines, and that's normal if replying as the
>> cursor is placed on line 2, leaving a blank line between the quoted
>> text and your new text, plus a blank line in place to keep the sig
>> separate from your reply.
> 
> Its a blank line, cursor on line 2, which is normal, then 3 blank lines
> above the two dashes.
> 
>> Creating a new post should show two blank lines above the sig, the
>> cursor placed for typing on Line 1 so that line 2 stays as a separator
>> between your text and the sig,
> 
> No, its 4 blank lines.

Here's a cut'n'paste of your OP with line numbers added by me :-)

On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:10:22 +0000, mick wrote:

> When composing new or replies there are four lines between this line and
> the signature.  Is there any way to reduce this down to two lines by
> default, other than having to delete the excess space manually when
> typing?
> 1
> 2
> 3
> --
> mick

> 
>> Are you sure there isn't an extra blank line or two in your sig?  How
>> are you adding the sig?  Is it text in the box, a selected file or a
>> program generating it?
> 
> In the Posting Profile settings it is Signature Type = Text and mick in
> the box below.
> I have tried it with a text file with my signature in it but it is still
> the same outcome. It does not matter if my name has spaces before it as
> they are ignored when posting.
> It is all down to where Pan is actually putting the two dashes.
> I have been going back through the groups looking at some old posts I
> did using Pan.  They have been posted from Linux Mint Cinnamon, Mint KDE
> and PClinuxOS.  All show the same blanks line above the sig.

The version of Linux should be irrelevant but it does seem to be a 
consistent problem either with the builds you are using or your 
counting :-)

My install of Pan definitely uses one less line than you are counting 
both in new posts (two) and replies (three)

FWIW mine is built from source because I modify it slightly to allow many 
more concurrent connection.  There is a hard coded limit of 4 connections 
per server in the default source code.  Another workaround if you need 
more connections eg for binaries downloads, you can have multiple 
instances of the same server under different profiles thus getting four 
connections per profile.

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It's the (Ohms) Law.

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#26

On 22/10/2015 20:05:37, DaveG wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 01:15:30 +0000, mick wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:19:11 +0000, DaveG wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:10:22 +0000, mick wrote:
>>> 
>>>> When composing new or replies there are four lines between this line
>>>> and the signature.  Is there any way to reduce this down to two lines
>>>> by default, other than having to delete the excess space manually when
>>>> typing?
>>> 
>>> From what I see, it's three lines, and that's normal if replying as the
>>> cursor is placed on line 2, leaving a blank line between the quoted
>>> text and your new text, plus a blank line in place to keep the sig
>>> separate from your reply.
>> 
>> Its a blank line, cursor on line 2, which is normal, then 3 blank lines
>> above the two dashes.
>> 
>>> Creating a new post should show two blank lines above the sig, the
>>> cursor placed for typing on Line 1 so that line 2 stays as a separator
>>> between your text and the sig,
>> 
>> No, its 4 blank lines.
>
> Here's a cut'n'paste of your OP with line numbers added by me :-)
>
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 21:10:22 +0000, mick wrote:
>
>> When composing new or replies there are four lines between this line and
>> the signature.  Is there any way to reduce this down to two lines by
>> default, other than having to delete the excess space manually when
>> typing?
>> 1
>> 2
>> 3
>> --
>> mick
>
>> 
>>> Are you sure there isn't an extra blank line or two in your sig?  How
>>> are you adding the sig?  Is it text in the box, a selected file or a
>>> program generating it?
>> 
>> In the Posting Profile settings it is Signature Type = Text and mick in
>> the box below.
>> I have tried it with a text file with my signature in it but it is still
>> the same outcome. It does not matter if my name has spaces before it as
>> they are ignored when posting.
>> It is all down to where Pan is actually putting the two dashes.
>> I have been going back through the groups looking at some old posts I
>> did using Pan.  They have been posted from Linux Mint Cinnamon, Mint KDE
>> and PClinuxOS.  All show the same blanks line above the sig.
>
> The version of Linux should be irrelevant but it does seem to be a 
> consistent problem either with the builds you are using or your 
> counting :-)
>
> My install of Pan definitely uses one less line than you are counting 
> both in new posts (two) and replies (three)
>
> FWIW mine is built from source because I modify it slightly to allow many 
> more concurrent connection.  There is a hard coded limit of 4 connections 
> per server in the default source code.  Another workaround if you need 
> more connections eg for binaries downloads, you can have multiple 
> instances of the same server under different profiles thus getting four 
> connections per profile.

It is not a big issue, but it does look odd having too much white space 
above the signature.  I have posted this from windows/mesnews and I bet 
it will look normal once posted (I don't see the signature in the 
posting window, unlike Pan where it is there before doing any typing).

I really want to embrace Linux and move away from windows but it is 
little niggles like this in the applications that make it so 
frustrating to use.

-- 
mick

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#27

On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:34:36 +0100, mick wrote:

> I really want to embrace Linux and move away from windows but it is
> little niggles like this in the applications that make it so frustrating
> to use.

Is it a niggle or just a different way of doing things?  This post is 
exactly the same as yours in terms of white space. in that Pan placed 
three blank lines between the quoted text and the sig.  It put the cursor 
on the middle line so leaving a blank line between my text and the quoted 
text.  By not pressing Enter when I've finished typing it means there is 
only one blank line between my text and the sig so that saves a whole key-
press :-)  When using email on my mobile phone I have to add in an extra 
Enter to force a blank line between my text and the sig.  So, maybe not 
so much a niggle as just a different way of doing things <shrug> :-)

-- 
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It's the (Ohms) Law.

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#28

On 24/10/2015 13:16:38, DaveG wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:34:36 +0100, mick wrote:
>
>> I really want to embrace Linux and move away from windows but it is
>> little niggles like this in the applications that make it so frustrating
>> to use.
>
> Is it a niggle or just a different way of doing things?  This post is 
> exactly the same as yours in terms of white space. in that Pan placed 
> three blank lines between the quoted text and the sig.  It put the cursor 
> on the middle line so leaving a blank line between my text and the quoted 
> text.  By not pressing Enter when I've finished typing it means there is 
> only one blank line between my text and the sig so that saves a whole key-
> press :-)  When using email on my mobile phone I have to add in an extra 
> Enter to force a blank line between my text and the sig.  So, maybe not 
> so much a niggle as just a different way of doing things <shrug> :-)

I have put pictures in fvbt
These are the windows I get when pressing the post or reply buttons.

Another niggle, I cannot post attachments in Pan, hence the this reply 
from MesNews.

Another niggle, if I press the minimise button top right pan goes off 
screen and will not open up again when clicking the icon in the task 
bar.  Have to shut down and re-boot to get it back.  Other programs are 
ok and can be minimised and opened up again by clicking their icons in 
the task bar.

Pan is good for downloading binaries, good enough to replace the 
excellent windows Newsbin Pro, but another niggle, it sometimes locks 
up when downloading (saving) more than one file at a time.  Earlier I 
was downloading 14 hefty rar files at once, it locked up after two and 
a half, re-booted and it the came back and just carried on and did the 
remaining twelve and a half without me intervening, clever bugger.

Dolphin file browser today, just will not see my windows network shares 
on any of my other three pc's.  Why?  they were working last night, I 
have not done any thing other than switch the machines on as normal, no 
updates, no changes, arrrrrrrrgh.
:-(

-- 
mick

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#29

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:39:32 +0100, mick wrote:

> On 24/10/2015 13:16:38, DaveG wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:34:36 +0100, mick wrote:
>>
>>> I really want to embrace Linux and move away from windows but it is
>>> little niggles like this in the applications that make it so
>>> frustrating to use.

Yeah, just looked.  It does seem as if there is an extra blank line both 
in replies and new posts.  I have no idea why yours should be different 
to mine.  Maybe try reading/posting to the pan mailing list.

>> Is it a niggle or just a different way of doing things?  This post is
>> exactly the same as yours in terms of white space. in that Pan placed
>> three blank lines between the quoted text and the sig.  It put the
>> cursor on the middle line so leaving a blank line between my text and
>> the quoted text.  By not pressing Enter when I've finished typing it
>> means there is only one blank line between my text and the sig so that
>> saves a whole key-
>> press   When using email on my mobile phone I have to add in an extra
>> Enter to force a blank line between my text and the sig.  So, maybe not
>> so much a niggle as just a different way of doing things <shrug>
> 
> I have put pictures in fvbt These are the windows I get when pressing
> the post or reply buttons.
> 
> Another niggle, I cannot post attachments in Pan, hence the this reply
> from MesNews.

Yes, binary posting support is supposed to be there, )Yenc only so 
that'll piss off PhilL) but as far as I can se support is poor and a 
little non-standard.

> Another niggle, if I press the minimise button top right pan goes off
> screen and will not open up again when clicking the icon in the task
> bar. Have to shut down and re-boot to get it back.  Other programs are
> ok and can be minimised and opened up again by clicking their icons in
> the task bar.

That sounds like something is broken and unlikely to be Pan itself but 
something to do with the Window Manager.  Try running pan from a shell 
console, eg xterm and see if there are any error messages.

> Pan is good for downloading binaries, good enough to replace the
> excellent windows Newsbin Pro, but another niggle, it sometimes locks up
> when downloading (saving) more than one file at a time.  Earlier I was
> downloading 14 hefty rar files at once, it locked up after two and a
> half,
> re-booted and it the came back and just carried on and did the remaining
> twelve and a half without me intervening, clever bugger.

That also sounds like a backend or other problem rather than Pan itself.  
Again, run from a console and look for error messages.

> Dolphin file browser today, just will not see my windows network shares
> on any of my other three pc's.  Why?  they were working last night, I
> have not done any thing other than switch the machines on as normal, no
> updates, no changes, arrrrrrrrgh.
> :-(

Can't help with that.  That's scripts etc which are Linux distro 
specific. I use NFS exports from my server and mount them on boot so 
everything can see them as just another part of the file system.  I think 
you can mount windows shares in /etc/fstab at boot time, setting options 
to allow for "late" mounting if they are not available at boot time and 
telling fstab they are SMB type mounts.

Another option to consider is setting up windows to share over NFS 
instead.  IIRC there's something called Services for Unix which does this.

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It's the (Ohms) Law.

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#30

DaveG wrote:

> I think
> you can mount windows shares in /etc/fstab at boot time, setting options
> to allow for "late" mounting if they are not available at boot time and
> telling fstab they are SMB type mounts.

No you cant!  Google CIFS filesystems and autofs - the fstab way produces 
errors...

-- 
Alex

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#31

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 17:44:22 +0100, Alex Potter wrote:

> DaveG wrote:
> 
>> I think you can mount windows shares in /etc/fstab at boot time,
>> setting options to allow for "late" mounting if they are not available
>> at boot time and telling fstab they are SMB type mounts.
> 
> No you cant!  Google CIFS filesystems and autofs - the fstab way
> produces errors...

Oh, ok then.  It's something I never tried.  I discovered early on that 
NFS was faster and more efficient than CIFS/SMB so never used it it.  I 
do export CIFS/SMB shares from the server because I can't convince my 
wife to stop using shitty java games on facebook so she's still using 
Windows :-)

NFS just makes more sense because pretty much every OS supports it in one 
form or another.  Even ES FIle Explorer on my android phone :-)

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#33

DaveG wrote:

> NFS just makes more sense because pretty much every OS supports it in one
> form or another.  Even ES FIle Explorer on my android phone :-)

I agree. I gave up on CIFS - just too flaky.

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#32

On 24/10/2015 17:33:43, DaveG wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:39:32 +0100, mick wrote:
>
>> On 24/10/2015 13:16:38, DaveG wrote:
>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:34:36 +0100, mick wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I really want to embrace Linux and move away from windows but it is
>>>> little niggles like this in the applications that make it so
>>>> frustrating to use.
>
> Yeah, just looked.  It does seem as if there is an extra blank line both 
> in replies and new posts.  I have no idea why yours should be different 
> to mine.  Maybe try reading/posting to the pan mailing list.

Good idea, I'll do that.

>>> Is it a niggle or just a different way of doing things?  This post is
>>> exactly the same as yours in terms of white space. in that Pan placed
>>> three blank lines between the quoted text and the sig.  It put the
>>> cursor on the middle line so leaving a blank line between my text and
>>> the quoted text.  By not pressing Enter when I've finished typing it
>>> means there is only one blank line between my text and the sig so that
>>> saves a whole key-
>>> press   When using email on my mobile phone I have to add in an extra
>>> Enter to force a blank line between my text and the sig.  So, maybe not
>>> so much a niggle as just a different way of doing things <shrug>
>> 
>> I have put pictures in fvbt These are the windows I get when pressing
>> the post or reply buttons.
>> 
>> Another niggle, I cannot post attachments in Pan, hence the this reply
>> from MesNews.
>
> Yes, binary posting support is supposed to be there, )Yenc only so 
> that'll piss off PhilL) but as far as I can se support is poor and a 
> little non-standard.

I did read somewhere that binary support was going to be included a few 
versions back but so far it has failed to materialise.
I did get JBinUp installed and working after a phaff about but since 
doing a test posting to fvbt its never wanted to open again, that will 
please PhilL ;-)

>> Another niggle, if I press the minimise button top right pan goes off
>> screen and will not open up again when clicking the icon in the task
>> bar. Have to shut down and re-boot to get it back.  Other programs are
>> ok and can be minimised and opened up again by clicking their icons in
>> the task bar.
>
> That sounds like something is broken and unlikely to be Pan itself but 
> something to do with the Window Manager.  Try running pan from a shell 
> console, eg xterm and see if there are any error messages.

OK, I was going to re-install it over the top of the existing, but I 
don't think you can do that without removing the program first.  I was 
reluctant to do that as I really don't want to have to go through all 
the setup again for the umpteenth time :-)
>
>> Pan is good for downloading binaries, good enough to replace the
>> excellent windows Newsbin Pro, but another niggle, it sometimes locks up
>> when downloading (saving) more than one file at a time.  Earlier I was
>> downloading 14 hefty rar files at once, it locked up after two and a
>> half,
>> re-booted and it the came back and just carried on and did the remaining
>> twelve and a half without me intervening, clever bugger.
>
> That also sounds like a backend or other problem rather than Pan itself.  
> Again, run from a console and look for error messages.

OK.
>
>> Dolphin file browser today, just will not see my windows network shares
>> on any of my other three pc's.  Why?  they were working last night, I
>> have not done any thing other than switch the machines on as normal, no
>> updates, no changes, arrrrrrrrgh.
>> :-(
>
> Can't help with that.  That's scripts etc which are Linux distro 
> specific. I use NFS exports from my server and mount them on boot so 
> everything can see them as just another part of the file system.  I think 
> you can mount windows shares in /etc/fstab at boot time, setting options 
> to allow for "late" mounting if they are not available at boot time and 
> telling fstab they are SMB type mounts.
>
> Another option to consider is setting up windows to share over NFS 
> instead.  IIRC there's something called Services for Unix which does this.

It has been working fine so there must be something simple, perhaps 
just the boot sequence of everything on the network.  I'll power 
everything off and go and kick the substation a few times after I've 
had a nice Indian thats about to arrive. :-)

-- 
mick

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#35

On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:25:18 +0100, mick wrote:

> OK, I was going to re-install it over the top of the existing, but I
> don't think you can do that without removing the program first.  I was
> reluctant to do that as I really don't want to have to go through all
> the setup again for the umpteenth time

If you remove/reinstall it will work without set up.  All the setup files 
and info is in ~/.pan2 and that won't get removed if you remove Pan.  
There also ought to be a way using your package manager to force a 
reinstall of a package.  But that may not fix anything since your 
problems might well relate to an underlying library or other support file/
program

-- 
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It's the (Ohms) Law.

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#38

On 24/10/2015 22:55:04, DaveG wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:25:18 +0100, mick wrote:
>
>> OK, I was going to re-install it over the top of the existing, but I
>> don't think you can do that without removing the program first.  I was
>> reluctant to do that as I really don't want to have to go through all
>> the setup again for the umpteenth time
>
> If you remove/reinstall it will work without set up.  All the setup files 
> and info is in ~/.pan2 and that won't get removed if you remove Pan.  
> There also ought to be a way using your package manager to force a 
> reinstall of a package.  But that may not fix anything since your 
> problems might well relate to an underlying library or other support file/
> program

Another one solved, top marks for you tonight Dave ;-)

Was able to force re-install via package manager, but it made no 
difference.

When minimised, Pan was hiding behind the desktop.  Alt-tab brings it 
back, a chance discovery on my part.  Have now set "Hide to system 
tray" in Pan miscellaneous settings.  This creates a Pan icon over on 
the right hand side of the task bar in the system tray where a click on 
that will bring it back. Maybe that is a default setting and I have 
messed with it but I don't recall doing so.

-- 
mick

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#39

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 00:54:35 +0100, mick wrote:

> On 24/10/2015 22:55:04, DaveG wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:25:18 +0100, mick wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I was going to re-install it over the top of the existing, but I
>>> don't think you can do that without removing the program first.  I was
>>> reluctant to do that as I really don't want to have to go through all
>>> the setup again for the umpteenth time
>>
>> If you remove/reinstall it will work without set up.  All the setup
>> files and info is in ~/.pan2 and that won't get removed if you remove
>> Pan. There also ought to be a way using your package manager to force a
>> reinstall of a package.  But that may not fix anything since your
>> problems might well relate to an underlying library or other support
>> file/
>> program
> 
> Another one solved, top marks for you tonight Dave ;-)
> 
> Was able to force re-install via package manager, but it made no
> difference.
> 
> When minimised, Pan was hiding behind the desktop.  

I'm not sure what you mean.  Even minimised, an app should still be on 
the task bar and should reappear when left clicked or give you a menu pop-
up if you right clicked.  If for some odd reason the window has restored 
"off -screen" then right clicking it's task bar entry --> More Actions 
then Move, you can use the arrow keys to move the app window,

Another possibility is it appeared on a different workspace and your task 
bar is set to only show apps on the current workspace.  You'd need to 
select each work space to find it. I suppose that could happen 
accidentally if you've set the workspace switching to occur when the 
cursor is at a screen edge.

> Alt-tab brings it
> back, a chance discovery on my part.  Have now set "Hide to system tray"
> in Pan miscellaneous settings.  This creates a Pan icon over on the
> right hand side of the task bar in the system tray where a click on that
> will bring it back. Maybe that is a default setting and I have messed
> with it but I don't recall doing so.

I have to admite, I'd almost forgotten about alt-tab,  It's one of those 
things I rarely need or use since I use a consolidated task bar, ie each 
of my four workspaces share the same one so clicking on an app in the 
task bar selects the relevant workspace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz1ZLr-DX3c

Notice in particular that as the cube rotates showing the virtual 
desktops that the display is still running, eg the video is still playing.

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#40

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 10:44:33 +0000, DaveG wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 00:54:35 +0100, mick wrote:
> 
>> On 24/10/2015 22:55:04, DaveG wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:25:18 +0100, mick wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, I was going to re-install it over the top of the existing, but I
>>>> don't think you can do that without removing the program first.  I
>>>> was reluctant to do that as I really don't want to have to go through
>>>> all the setup again for the umpteenth time
>>>
>>> If you remove/reinstall it will work without set up.  All the setup
>>> files and info is in ~/.pan2 and that won't get removed if you remove
>>> Pan. There also ought to be a way using your package manager to force
>>> a reinstall of a package.  But that may not fix anything since your
>>> problems might well relate to an underlying library or other support
>>> file/
>>> program
>> 
>> Another one solved, top marks for you tonight Dave ;-)
>> 
>> Was able to force re-install via package manager, but it made no
>> difference.
>> 
>> When minimised, Pan was hiding behind the desktop.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean.  Even minimised, an app should still be on
> the task bar and should reappear when left clicked or give you a menu
> pop-
> up if you right clicked.  If for some odd reason the window has restored
> "off -screen" then right clicking it's task bar entry --> More Actions
> then Move, you can use the arrow keys to move the app window,
> 
> Another possibility is it appeared on a different workspace and your
> task bar is set to only show apps on the current workspace.  You'd need
> to select each work space to find it. I suppose that could happen
> accidentally if you've set the workspace switching to occur when the
> cursor is at a screen edge.
> 
>> Alt-tab brings it back, a chance discovery on my part.  Have now set
>> "Hide to system tray"
>> in Pan miscellaneous settings.  This creates a Pan icon over on the
>> right hand side of the task bar in the system tray where a click on
>> that will bring it back. Maybe that is a default setting and I have
>> messed with it but I don't recall doing so.
> 
> I have to admite, I'd almost forgotten about alt-tab,  It's one of those
> things I rarely need or use since I use a consolidated task bar, ie each
> of my four workspaces share the same one so clicking on an app in the
> task bar selects the relevant workspace.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz1ZLr-DX3c
> 
> Notice in particular that as the cube rotates showing the virtual
> desktops that the display is still running, eg the video is still
> playing.

It MUST be me that's screwed it up, I don't know how or what I had done.
I decided to remove the panel at the bottom of the screen. I then added a 
default panel and that has solved the problem. I have put the icons back 
on the left side of the panel for the most used programs.
Now, when I open a program from an icon it shows in the middle part of the 
panel - to the right of those icons - what program or window is open when 
it is minimised.  That is the part of the panel (task manager) I did not 
have before, somehow it had been deleted from the panel, by me or those 
little people that come in the night.;-)

All is well now, for the time being.:-)



-- 
mick

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#41

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:59:44 +0000, mick wrote:

> It MUST be me that's screwed it up, I don't know how or what I had done.
> I decided to remove the panel at the bottom of the screen. I then added
> a default panel and that has solved the problem. I have put the icons
> back on the left side of the panel for the most used programs.
> Now, when I open a program from an icon it shows in the middle part of
> the panel - to the right of those icons - what program or window is open
> when it is minimised.  That is the part of the panel (task manager) I
> did not have before, somehow it had been deleted from the panel, by me
> or those little people that come in the night.;-)
> 
> All is well now, for the time being.

Yes, the task bar is fully customisable, far more so than the Windows 
task bar.  If you accidentally remove something or change the behaviour, 
it's not always obvious how to get that functionality back when it's 
something you've not seen before, especially as a user coming from 
Windows where that functionality doesn't even exists "out of the box".

As you discovered though, you can always just add in a new "default" task 
bar :-)

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#42

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:15:44 +0000, DaveG wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 11:59:44 +0000, mick wrote:
> 
>> It MUST be me that's screwed it up, I don't know how or what I had
>> done.
>> I decided to remove the panel at the bottom of the screen. I then added
>> a default panel and that has solved the problem. I have put the icons
>> back on the left side of the panel for the most used programs.
>> Now, when I open a program from an icon it shows in the middle part of
>> the panel - to the right of those icons - what program or window is
>> open when it is minimised.  That is the part of the panel (task
>> manager) I did not have before, somehow it had been deleted from the
>> panel, by me or those little people that come in the night.;-)
>> 
>> All is well now, for the time being.
> 
> Yes, the task bar is fully customisable, far more so than the Windows
> task bar.  If you accidentally remove something or change the behaviour,
> it's not always obvious how to get that functionality back when it's
> something you've not seen before, especially as a user coming from
> Windows where that functionality doesn't even exists "out of the box".
> 
> As you discovered though, you can always just add in a new "default"
> task bar :-)

Perhaps this is why most programs seem to be rather bland on first 
appearance compared to their windows counterparts.  There is so much to 
customise that it can be overwhelming at times.  Back tracking to undo 
something that's not quite right can be painful to find again, especially 
as I tend to get side tracked by another tweak that might look good.  Like 
a kid in a sweetshop rings true at times.

I have a new question that I cannot seem to find an answer to, so a new 
thread coming up.



-- 
mick

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#34

On 24/10/2015 17:33:43, DaveG wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:39:32 +0100, mick wrote:

>> Dolphin file browser today, just will not see my windows network shares
>> on any of my other three pc's.  Why?  they were working last night, I
>> have not done any thing other than switch the machines on as normal, no
>> updates, no changes, arrrrrrrrgh.
>> :-(
>
> Can't help with that.  That's scripts etc which are Linux distro 
> specific. I use NFS exports from my server and mount them on boot so 
> everything can see them as just another part of the file system.  I think 
> you can mount windows shares in /etc/fstab at boot time, setting options 
> to allow for "late" mounting if they are not available at boot time and 
> telling fstab they are SMB type mounts.
>
> Another option to consider is setting up windows to share over NFS 
> instead.  IIRC there's something called Services for Unix which does this.

Problem solved: boot linux computer as the last item to join the 
network

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mick

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