Re: ed _ __ .

From	Daniel Cerqueira <dan.list@lispclub.com>
Newsgroups	comp.unix.shell
Subject	Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______.
Date	2026-06-09 09:47 +0100
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Lumin Etherlight <lumin+usenet@etherlight.link> writes:

> Janis  Papanagnou  <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com>
> writes:
>
>> 'ed'  is  _a_  standard text  editor;  on  Unixes.
>> Though a very primitive one.
>
>   It is indeed primitive, in the way a chisel is.
>
>> (I wonder why one would make ones life harder than
>> necessary.)
>
>         It is not harder with  ed.  As a user of ed,
>   who also  used emacs  and vim  for over  a decade,
>   (and many others) I don't view ed as a lesser tool
>   that is "behind" "modern" editors, I think ed is a
>   different mindset for editing, in the same vain as
>   vim being different from Visual Studio.  If a user
>   of Visual Studio says in relation to learning vim:
>   "Why make  one's life harder than  necessary", the
>   answer would  be very similar.  It  is harder only
>   because it didn't "click" for you yet.
>
>> Is that the reason why the formatting of your post
>> is corrupt?  (Or is it your newsreader settings?)
>
>         Unlikely.  I'm also writing  this in ed, and
>   I don't think my formatting will be corrupt :)
>
>> Vim  is  not  based   on  the  Vi  code  base. But
>> functionally  yes,  mostly.   And you  won't  gain
>> anything  if  trying  to  somehow  relate  Vim  to
>> Ed;  these are  functionally completely  different
>> things.
>
>         Vim, perhaps not.  As the culture around vim
>   is  no  longer similar  at  all  to what  ed  was.
>   People installing a 120  plugins to turn their vim
>   into an IDE  is exactly not what ed  is.  But, the
>   original vi  editors, I  would say they  were very
>   close  to  ed indeed.   Screen  editing  is a  big
>   difference of course, but  with vi, you were still
>   meant to  integrate your  editor into the  rest of
>   your UNIX  environment using the vi  command mode,
>   you don't install  a plugin to wrap  lines in vim,
>   but you pass the text to fmt from vi.  With ed, it
>   is a  very similar approach.   The power of  ed is
>   that it is  open to the rest of  UNIX, and through
>   that integration, you gain great productivity.
>
>>> reply here if  you use ed and would  like to talk
>>> about it, or if your nam e is ed!
>>
>> I suggest  to talk  about editors  in comp.editors
>> (not primarily here).
>
>         Perhaps, better  yes.  But if one  editor is
>   worthy of being discussed in comp.unix.shell, it's
>   ed, because ed is almost completely useless if not
>   for the shell.  I spell  check in ed by calling to
>   a shell  program !aspell %,  I format the  post by
>   doing the same !par, when  I want a calendar in my
>   task file  I !cal, etc. etc.   Personally, I think
>   ed  is  the  only  editor that  follows  the  UNIX
>   philosophy closely, it applies  edits to text, and
>   it does so very well.
>
>   When I want to edit text, ed is my shell.

I love the way your text is formatted.  Lumin, how have you formatted
the text above? :-) .

I do use GNU Emacs, and I think you made a good argument for 'ed' in me.
If anyone here know how to format like the text above, but in GNU Emacs,
I would like to know how.

Cheers for Freedom,

-- 
A little Consideration, a little Thought for Others, makes
all the difference. ~ Alan Alexander Milne

Thread

ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Zayd Mohammed <zaydm@172.24.208.1> - 2026-06-08 02:16 +0000
  Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-08 04:46 +0200
    Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-08 13:44 +0000
      Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-06-08 14:12 +0000
        Re: ed. cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-08 19:30 +0000
      Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-08 14:40 -0700
        Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. groenveld@acm.org (John D Groenveld) - 2026-06-09 00:04 +0000
        Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Adam Sampson <ats@offog.org> - 2026-06-09 01:50 +0100
        Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-09 16:47 +0200
          Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 16:41 -0700
      Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> - 2026-06-09 14:27 +0000
    Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2026-06-08 22:28 +0000
    Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Lumin Etherlight <lumin+usenet@etherlight.link> - 2026-06-09 03:25 +0300
      Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Daniel Cerqueira <dan.list@lispclub.com> - 2026-06-09 09:47 +0100
        Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Joerg Mertens <joerg-mertens@t-online.de> - 2026-06-09 15:53 +0200
          Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Daniel Cerqueira <dan.list@lispclub.com> - 2026-06-09 21:00 +0100
          Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-09 16:29 -0700
            Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-11 08:39 +0200
              Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-11 13:40 -0700
                Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-12 16:56 +0200
                Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-12 15:22 -0700
                Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-13 00:58 +0200
      Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-09 17:57 +0200
  Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-06-08 22:57 +0000
  Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Lumin Etherlight <lumin+usenet@etherlight.link> - 2026-06-09 03:02 +0300
  Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. gmc@metro.cx (Koen Martens) - 2026-06-09 06:17 +0000
    Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-09 06:55 +0000
    Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-06-09 19:44 +0000
      Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Top Dead Ctr <tdc@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-09 14:09 -0600
      Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-06-09 23:52 +0000
        Re: ed Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:40 +0000
      Re: ed Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-10 00:38 +0000
        Re: ed John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-06-10 22:01 +0000
          Re: ed Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 16:43 -0700
            Re: ed Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 16:50 -0700
            Re: ed cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-10 23:53 +0000
              Re: ed Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-06-11 00:12 +0000
                Re: ed Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:55 +0000
                Re: ed cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-11 02:00 +0000
                Re: ed Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2026-06-10 19:30 -0700
                Re: ed cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-11 11:31 +0000
                Re: ed Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2026-06-11 15:02 +0000
              Re: ed Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-11 08:46 +0200
            Re: ed John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-06-11 14:28 +0000
          Re: ed cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-06-10 23:48 +0000
          Re: ed Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-06-11 00:24 +0000
            Re: ed John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-06-11 14:11 +0000
              Re: ed Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-12 00:22 +0000
          Re: ed Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-11 00:53 +0000
            Re: ed Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-11 09:02 +0200
    Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-10 11:03 +0100
      Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-06-11 09:12 +0200
        Re: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 09:44 +0100
          Android editor (Was: ed __ ___ ________ ____ ______.) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2026-06-12 09:03 +0000
            Re: Android editor Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-12 12:01 +0100

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