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Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation?

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On 2026-06-10, boltar@caprica.universe <boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jun 2026 21:15:50 -0000 (UTC)
> Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> gabbled:
>>These things purely interpolate. They do it at such a scale of data that
>>you can't tell interpolation from extrapolation. Except maybe if it
>>happens to land in your area of extensive expertise.
>
> Like I said, why don't you try it asking it to extrapolate on data that it
> couldn't possibly have injested because its personal to you or uses long
> floating point values.

People also believe that psychics know something about them personally,
which then "proves" they indeed have telepathic powers.

Same kind of con job.

>>You can extract meaning from a book. Yet a book doesn't think.
>
> A book doesn't do anything, its memory, not compute. I'd have thought that
> distinction was obvious.

No it isn't; the weights of a trained LLM are also memory, not compute.

Getting something out of a book or LLM is a function.

In the case of the LLM, the retrieval function is sophisticated. It
allows you to have a pseudo-conversation with a vast body of texts to
extract a wide range of information. (And that is undeniably useful,
at least in situations in which you have a way to check the veracity of
the output.)

>>By your, I mean everyone, you and me. I should say "we".  Our intuitions
>>are completely in uncharted waters when faced with a contextual
>>path-finding engine that wades through terabytes of compressed text,
>>with a high degree of statistical accuracy.
>
> I suggest you familiarise yourself with John Searles Chinese Room. It doesn't
> matter how it works internally, its the output that matters.

I'm addressing the wrong ideas that the thing is thinking, or that
it has access to information outside of its training data; I am not
claiming that the output doesn't matter or isn't useful.

Those wrong ideas are not supported by only-the-output-matters
argumentation, which amounts to nothing more than a feeble attempt
to shut down the discussion.

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groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-03-26 14:08 +0000
  Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-03-26 14:38 +0000
    Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-03-26 14:45 +0000
    Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-03-26 14:59 +0000
    Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-03-26 15:07 +0000
    Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-26 19:48 +0000
    Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2026-05-30 14:30 -0400
      Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-05-31 07:25 +0000
        Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-01 00:11 +0000
          Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-01 08:17 +0000
            Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-02 00:09 +0000
              Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-02 08:21 +0000
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-02 05:58 -0400
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-02 10:38 +0000
        Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-06-08 23:34 +0000
          Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-09 08:46 +0000
            Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-06-09 21:15 +0000
              Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-10 08:19 +0000
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-10 09:14 -0400
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-10 15:01 +0000
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-06-23 22:56 +0000
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-06-23 23:37 +0000
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-24 07:13 +0000

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