Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation?

From	boltar@caprica.universe
Newsgroups	comp.unix.programmer
Subject	Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation?
Date	2026-06-09 08:46 +0000
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2026 23:34:13 -0000 (UTC)
Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> gabbled:
>On 2026-05-31, boltar@caprica.universe <boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 May 2026 14:30:16 -0400
>> Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> gabbled:
>>>On 3/26/26 10:38 AM, Lew Pitcher wrote:
>>>> Remember, ChatGPT is a text-prediction program, and has no
>>>> experience or intrinsic knowledge of groff. 
>>>
>>>it also has no intrinsic logic
>>
>> It does in the sense of the low level ANN programming that allows it to 
>> function, but it builds up its own logic and knowledge as its trained.
>> People are too dismissive of these systems - they're a lot smarter than a lot
>
>> of people particularly in IT would like to believe.
>
>They are a lot dumber than people believe.
>
>A simple hash table token predictor trained on a large body of text
>using 4-grams keys (strings of four words) to predict the fifth word
>will produce some amazing outputs.

Oh please. I've written at least 4 markov chain programs in my career and
they don't get anywhere close to what an LLM can output. For a start LLMs
don't simply spit out chunks of text they've ingested joined together by
keywords, they have some kind of - limited - understanding of the subject in 
hand or they wouldn't be able to extrapolate and interpolate. If you don't
believe my try it. Then there's the part no one mentions - the ability to
understand the input text in a meaningful way. Something no markov chain 
can do.

>An algorithm predicting using much more sophisticated linear algebra,
>over a data set of terabytes upon terabytes of text, encompasses a scale
>that is so completely alien to your experience and scope, that your
>intuitions about it have no hope of being correct.

Don't patronise me.

Thread

groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-03-26 14:08 +0000
  Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-03-26 14:38 +0000
    Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2026-03-26 14:45 +0000
    Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-03-26 14:59 +0000
    Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-03-26 15:07 +0000
    Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-26 19:48 +0000
    Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> - 2026-05-30 14:30 -0400
      Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-05-31 07:25 +0000
        Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-01 00:11 +0000
          Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-01 08:17 +0000
            Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-02 00:09 +0000
              Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-02 08:21 +0000
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-02 05:58 -0400
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-02 10:38 +0000
        Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-06-08 23:34 +0000
          Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-09 08:46 +0000
            Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-06-09 21:15 +0000
              Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-10 08:19 +0000
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-10 09:14 -0400
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-10 15:01 +0000
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? Kaz Kylheku <046-301-5902@kylheku.com> - 2026-06-23 22:56 +0000
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2026-06-23 23:37 +0000
                Re: groff: how to completely disable hyphenation? boltar@caprica.universe - 2026-06-24 07:13 +0000

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