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Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met

From Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Newsgroups comp.theory, sci.logic
Subject Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met
Date 2024-06-22 10:20 -0400
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On 6/22/24 10:11 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 6/22/2024 8:27 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 6/22/24 9:04 AM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/22/2024 3:05 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-21 13:19:28 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/21/2024 2:11 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-06-20 15:23:09 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/20/2024 10:08 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-06-20 05:40:28 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/20/2024 12:29 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-06-19 14:05:29 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2024 4:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 4:36 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [ Followup-To: set ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 12:57 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Tue, 18 Jun 2024 12:25:44 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 12:06 PM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> H0(DDD);
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DDD correctly simulated by any H0 cannot possibly halt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DDD halts iff H0 halts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So H0 returns "doesn't halt" to DDD, which then stops 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so H0 should have returned "halts".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was three messages ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to make sure that you understood that halting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not mean stopping for any reason and only includes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the equivalent of terminating normally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.  You're wrong, here.  A turing machine is either 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running or it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halted.  There's no third alternative.  If your C programs 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not in one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of these two states, they're not equivalent to turing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Although I agree with this there seems to be nuances of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagreement across the experts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I doubt that very much.  The whole point of turing machines 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is to remove
>>>>>>>>>>>> ambiguity and unneeded features from the theory of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> computation.  A third
>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative state is unneeded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some people say that a TM can halt in a non-final state.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People may use different words to express the same facts. What 
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>> people call "halting in a non-final state" is called 
>>>>>>>>>> "rejecting" by
>>>>>>>>>> some other people. But the facts are what they are 
>>>>>>>>>> independently of
>>>>>>>>>> the words used to express them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ambiguity and vagueness make communication less effective.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As does use of common words and expressions for uncommon meanings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I use C because there are zero gaps in exactly what it means.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> THere are lont of gaps in C. Some are mistakes that are 
>>>>>>>> corrected in
>>>>>>>> technical corrigenda. Others are undefined and implementation 
>>>>>>>> defined
>>>>>>>> behaviour. Your program uses non-standard extensions to C so it 
>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> not communicate well. If also is too big to be a part of a 
>>>>>>>> publishable
>>>>>>>> article.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *There are zero gaps in the behavior of DDD correctly simulated 
>>>>>>> by HH0*
>>>>>>> https://liarparadox.org/HH0_(DDD)_Full_Trace.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>> [00002093] 55               push ebp
>>>>>>> [00002094] 8bec             mov ebp,esp
>>>>>>> [00002096] 6893200000       push 00002093 ; push DDD
>>>>>>> [0000209b] e853f4ffff       call 000014f3 ; call HH0
>>>>>>> [000020a0] 83c404           add esp,+04
>>>>>>> [000020a3] 5d               pop ebp
>>>>>>> [000020a4] c3               ret
>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [000020a4]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whereas the Linz specification of Ĥ says that embedded_H
>>>>>>> does something or other that is totally unspecified:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩
>>>>>>> Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞
>>>>>>> Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linz Ĥ is fully defined in terms of H, so its behaviour can be 
>>>>>> inferred
>>>>>> from the behaviour of H. Therefore Linz can prove about the 
>>>>>> behaviour of
>>>>>> both Ĥ and H what needs be proven.
>>>>>
>>>>> (a) Ĥ copies its input ⟨Ĥ⟩
>>>>> (b) Ĥ invokes embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
>>>>> (c) embedded_H simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
>>>>> (d) simulated ⟨Ĥ⟩ copies its input ⟨Ĥ⟩
>>>>> (e) simulated ⟨Ĥ⟩ invokes simulated embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
>>>>> (f) simulated embedded_H simulates ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
>>>>> (g) goto (d) with one more level of simulation
>>>>
>>>> Linz says nothing about simulations 
>>>
>>> I am the sole inventor of the simulating halt decider.
>>>
>>> Ben Bacarisse contacted professor Sipser to verify that he
>>> really did says this. The details are in this forum about
>>> the same date.
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Theory-Computation-Michael-Sipser/dp/113318779X/
>>>
>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>    If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>>    until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
>>>    stop running unless aborted then
>>>
>>>    H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
>>>    specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>>> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>
>> And, as I remember, he also verified that he disagrees with your 
>> definition of correct simulation.
>>
>>>
>>> *Ben also verified that the criteria have been met*
>>> On 10/14/2022 7:44 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>  > I don't think that is the shell game. PO really /has/ an H
>>>  > (it's trivial to do for this one case) that correctly determines
>>>  > that P(P) *would* never stop running *unless* aborted.
>>
>> Right, Ben was willing to do what I am not that you can prove that, by 
>> your definition, H can show that it "must" abort its simulation or the 
>> input will run forever.
>>
>> But, just like me, he also agrees that this is NOT the defintion of 
>> Halting, so H is just shown to be a correct (partial) POOP decider but 
>> ot a Halt Decider, not even for that one input.
>>
> 
> On 10/14/2022 7:44 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>  > I don't think that is the shell game. PO really /has/ an H
>  > (it's trivial to do for this one case) that correctly determines
>  > that P(P) *would* never stop running *unless* aborted.
>  >
>  > He knows and accepts that P(P) actually does stop. The
>  > wrong answer is justified by what would happen if H
>  > (and hence a different P) where not what they actually are.
>  >
> *Ben agrees that the criteria is met for the input*
> 
> Computable functions are the formalized analogue of the
> intuitive notion of algorithms, in the sense that a function
> is computable if there exists an algorithm that can do the
> job of the function, i.e. *given an input of the function*
> *domain it can return the corresponding output*
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computable_function
> 
> *Ben disagrees that the criteria is met for the non-input*
> Yet no one here can stay focused on the fact that non-inputs
> *DO NOT COUNT*

No, you don't understand the words he is using because you have 
distroted the meaning of too many words.

He is agreeing that H can correctly decide the POOP criteria, the it can 
say that "no H can correctly simulate that input to a final state", but 
he does NOT agree that it means it doesn't HALT, because that isn't the 
meaning of Halting, and your definition of Correct Simulation isn't what 
Professor Sipser was using, so you can't use that.

So, you are just stuck in your lies.

> 
> void DDD()
> {
>    HHH0(DDD);
> }
> 
> int main()
> {
>    Output("Input_Halts = ", HHH0(DDD));
>    Output("Input_Halts = ", HHH1(DDD));
> }
> 
> It is a verified fact that the behavior that finite string DDD
> presents to HH0 is that when DDD correctly simulated by HH0
> calls HH0(DDD) that this call DOES NOT RETURN.
> 
> It is a verified fact that the behavior that finite string DDD
> presents to HH1 is that when DDD correctly simulated by HH1
> calls HH0(DDD) that this call DOES RETURN.
> 
> *I don't get why people here insist on lying about verified facts*
> 
> 


The problem is that the "behavior" that the finite string DDD presents 
to HH0, is DEFINED by the problem. And if that problem is the Halting 
Problem, that behavior is the behavior of the machine the input 
represents. If HH0 treats the input as having a different behavior, then 
HH0 just isn't a Halting Decider, but something else.

If HH0 is supposed to be a Halting decider, but uses a method that makes 
it see something other than that behavior, then it is just an incorrect 
Halting Decider, and its algorithm just creates an incorrect recreation 
of the property of the input it is supposed to be working on.


A bit of a side note, the actual "Input" to HH0, is a pointer to memory, 
and as such it passes a reference to ALL of memory considering the 
starting point to be that address, so your "Input" isn't actually the 
few bytes of DDD, but ALL of memory and a starting point. If you 
actually mean that the input is just those few bytes pointed to by the 
address, then the input is improperly formed and is NOT a proper 
representation of the input machine, becuase it is incomplete.

The fact you don't understand this, seems to imply you are lacking the 
basic knowledge to be talking about this sort of thing.

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                Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-18 22:16 -0400
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          Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-17 21:24 -0400
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                Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-17 22:44 -0400
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                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 13:16 -0500
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                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 16:29 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-19 08:48 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- test of dishonesty olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 08:12 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 16:08 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-06-18 21:36 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 16:54 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-06-19 09:29 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 09:05 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-19 17:51 +0000
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                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-20 08:29 +0300
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 00:40 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-20 18:08 +0300
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 10:23 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-20 21:55 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-21 10:11 +0300
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-21 08:19 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-21 10:06 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-22 11:05 +0300
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-22 08:04 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-22 09:27 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-22 09:11 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-22 10:20 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-22 09:42 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-22 11:08 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-22 14:53 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-23 10:57 +0300
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-23 08:13 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-24 10:22 +0300
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-24 08:46 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-24 19:52 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-06-24 20:27 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-24 16:10 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-24 19:48 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-25 08:48 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-06-25 14:14 +0200
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-25 12:27 +0300
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> - 2024-06-25 14:06 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-24 16:12 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-24 19:53 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- criteria is met Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-24 19:44 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-18 22:16 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 21:30 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-18 22:41 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 21:51 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-19 09:08 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 08:31 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-19 17:43 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- the only reply until addressed olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 12:48 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- the only reply until addressed joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-19 17:59 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-19 07:30 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 09:23 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-19 16:43 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 12:09 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-19 20:24 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 12:16 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-19 17:32 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 12:40 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-19 20:24 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-19 20:24 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-19 08:57 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 08:20 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-19 16:25 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-19 20:24 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-06-19 10:18 +0200
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 08:11 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-06-19 16:11 +0200
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 10:07 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-06-19 17:50 +0200
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 11:10 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-06-20 10:23 +0200
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 09:16 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-20 16:29 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 11:35 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-06-21 09:58 +0200
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-21 08:12 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-21 10:11 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-20 22:54 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-20 08:43 +0300
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 09:45 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-21 10:02 +0300
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-21 08:18 -0500
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-21 10:20 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers by dummies --- What does halting mean? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-22 11:14 +0300
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-18 22:16 -0400
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-06-18 13:52 +0200
  Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-18 19:21 +0300
    Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 11:30 -0500
      Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-18 19:37 +0300
        Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 11:45 -0500
          Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-19 12:30 +0300
            Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 08:47 -0500
              Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies joes <noreply@example.com> - 2024-06-19 17:45 +0000
                Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies --- The only reply until addressed olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 12:49 -0500
              Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-06-20 08:53 +0300
      Re: Simulating termination analyzers for dummies Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-06-18 22:16 -0400

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