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  Noooooooooooooooo! Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2015-02-02 22:54 +0000
    Re: Noooooooooooooooo! "Chris Young" <chris.usenet@mail-filter.com> - 2015-02-03 00:32 +0000
    Re: Noooooooooooooooo! AndyW <Andy@nojunqmail.com> - 2015-02-03 07:44 +0000
    Re: Noooooooooooooooo! "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> - 2015-02-03 08:05 +0000
    Re: Noooooooooooooooo! "dottor Piergiorgio M. d' Errico" <chiedetelo@ask.me> - 2015-02-03 13:15 +0100
    Re: Noooooooooooooooo! "Chris Cowley" <chrrris@gmail.com> - 2015-02-05 23:06 +0000
    Re: Noooooooooooooooo! warste@gmail.com - 2017-03-13 09:58 -0700
      Re: Noooooooooooooooo! Duncan Snowden <duncan_s@talktalk.net> - 2017-03-14 20:13 +0000
      Re: Noooooooooooooooo! "Brian-Gaff" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2017-03-18 04:54 +0000

#3375 — Noooooooooooooooo!

El Reg.:

> Developer Olivier Poudade claims he's beaten a 33 year-old record for
> the smallest working Chess program.
> 
> The previous record-holder, 1K ZX Chess, ran on the seminal Sinclair
> ZX81 which shipped with just 1K of RAM. 1K ZX Chess was lousy at the
> game, but its mere existence bestowed a little gravitas on the
> easy-to-ridicule ZX81.

Oh yeah? "Easy to ridicule," eh? Well you... smell. So ner.

> Computers have of course sailed past the 1K RAM mark since, so while
> developers have occasionally had a lash at very small Chess
> implementations like Toledo Nanochess, there's been little need to
> write very small versions of the game.
> 
> That hasn't stopped Poudade from releasing “BootChess”, which he
> claims is “the smallest computer implementation of chess on any
> platform” and runs in “in a 512-byte x86 boot sector for Windows /
> Linux / OS X / DOS / BSD”.

Damn. That was the mighty '81's best claim to fame. Apart from running
hypothetical nuclear power stations, obviously. And being the first
under a hundred quid. And just being generally ace and skill all round,
let's be honest.

Still, on the bright side - here's something you can't say every day -
the ZX81 game has better graphics. Also...

> Poudade's claim is being questioned because BootChess appears not to
> allow castling and its AI player sometimes makes illegal moves.

Hurrah! There's still hope! Although actually, as far as I remember, 1K
Chess didn't either. But I don't recall any illegal moves.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/29/zx81_record_falls_as_dev_claims_smallest_chess_code_crown/

-- 
Duncan Snowden.

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#3376

On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 22:54:49 +0000 da kidz on comp.sys.sinclair were rappin'
to MC Duncan Snowden:

> Still, on the bright side - here's something you can't say every day -
> the ZX81 game has better graphics. Also...
> 
> > Poudade's claim is being questioned because BootChess appears not to
> > allow castling and its AI player sometimes makes illegal moves.
> 
> Hurrah! There's still hope! Although actually, as far as I remember, 1K
> Chess didn't either. But I don't recall any illegal moves.

The BBC article[1] says the same about castling, and also it won't let
you change pawns into queens.. but BootChess does do this so it's
slightly more realistic in that respect.

I didn't know the bit about illegal moves (the BBC didn't mention it).
Surely that invalidates it's claim as even an incomplete tiny Chess? 
You wouldn't see Gary Kasparov putting up with a computer opponent
cheating!  He'd say... well, I don't know what he'd say.  Something in
Russian, probably.

Chris
[1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-31028787


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#3377

On 02/02/2015 22:54, Duncan Snowden wrote:

> Damn. That was the mighty '81's best claim to fame. Apart from running
> hypothetical nuclear power stations, obviously. And being the first
> under a hundred quid. And just being generally ace and skill all round,
> let's be honest.

I bet his machine cannot be used as a door wedge though. That's one 
point to ZX81.

Andy

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#3378

You would probably have been better off with  the American Timex version 
which as I recall had a whole 2 k of memory.
 Brian

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"Duncan Snowden" <duncan_s@talktalk.net> wrote in message 
news:20150202225449.5a92c490@talktalk.net...
El Reg.:

> Developer Olivier Poudade claims he's beaten a 33 year-old record for
> the smallest working Chess program.
>
> The previous record-holder, 1K ZX Chess, ran on the seminal Sinclair
> ZX81 which shipped with just 1K of RAM. 1K ZX Chess was lousy at the
> game, but its mere existence bestowed a little gravitas on the
> easy-to-ridicule ZX81.

Oh yeah? "Easy to ridicule," eh? Well you... smell. So ner.

> Computers have of course sailed past the 1K RAM mark since, so while
> developers have occasionally had a lash at very small Chess
> implementations like Toledo Nanochess, there's been little need to
> write very small versions of the game.
>
> That hasn't stopped Poudade from releasing ā?oBootChessā?¯, which he
> claims is ā?othe smallest computer implementation of chess on any
> platformā?¯ and runs in ā?oin a 512-byte x86 boot sector for Windows /
> Linux / OS X / DOS / BSDā?¯.

Damn. That was the mighty '81's best claim to fame. Apart from running
hypothetical nuclear power stations, obviously. And being the first
under a hundred quid. And just being generally ace and skill all round,
let's be honest.

Still, on the bright side - here's something you can't say every day -
the ZX81 game has better graphics. Also...

> Poudade's claim is being questioned because BootChess appears not to
> allow castling and its AI player sometimes makes illegal moves.

Hurrah! There's still hope! Although actually, as far as I remember, 1K
Chess didn't either. But I don't recall any illegal moves.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/29/zx81_record_falls_as_dev_claims_smallest_chess_code_crown/

-- 
Duncan Snowden.

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#3379

Il 02/02/2015 23:54, Duncan Snowden ha scritto:

> Still, on the bright side - here's something you can't say every day -
> the ZX81 game has better graphics. Also...
>
>> Poudade's claim is being questioned because BootChess appears not to
>> allow castling and its AI player sometimes makes illegal moves.
>
> Hurrah! There's still hope! Although actually, as far as I remember, 1K
> Chess didn't either. But I don't recall any illegal moves.
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/29/zx81_record_falls_as_dev_claims_smallest_chess_code_crown/

well, there's a little grace in that accursed x86 architecture, namely 
the direct access to the lower 8 or 16 bits of a 32-bit register, 
shortening some opcodes, but I think that can't offset the red carpet 
needed because there is only one general purpose register ((E)AX).

I think if an buggy chess program can be put in 512 bytes of a 32-bit 
CPU with only three GP register (EAX, FS, GS) I guess that a z80 chess 
can be shrinked in 768 bytes (but the ZX81 1k chess uses ROM routines or 
not ?)

and no, chess should be kept out of the CSSCGC competition... ;) :D

Best regards from Italy,
dott. Piergiorgio.

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#3391

Duncan Snowden wrote:

> Hurrah! There's still hope! Although actually, as far as I remember,
> 1K Chess didn't either. But I don't recall any illegal moves.
 
Yep, I don't think the '81 1K Chess made illegal moves. It seems a bit
ridiculous to call it a chess-playing computer program under those
circumstances -- if it makes illegal moves, then it isn't playing
Chess, is it?

Which means the ZX81 implementation (or one of it's optimised
offspring) is still the best \o/
-- 
Chris

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#4336

Both Bootchess and old ZX81 1K have been surpassed.. 

You can have a look on SuperMicro releases: http://smmax.sf.net

:)

Happy hacking!
_Stefano

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#4337

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017 09:58:25 -0700 (PDT)
warste@gmail.com wrote:

> Both Bootchess and old ZX81 1K have been surpassed.. 
> 
> You can have a look on SuperMicro releases: http://smmax.sf.net
> 
> :)

Well, at least it's *on* the ZX81.

But wow... 583 bytes in DOS. That's pretty impressive. Then again, if
you include all the "support" code that has to be there just to get the
executable to run - i.e., BIOS/DOS vs. the ZX81 ROM - I strongly
suspect the '81 wins overall. So... Yay!

-- 
Duncan Snowden.

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#4339

Beg pardon?
 Brian

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<warste@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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>
> Both Bootchess and old ZX81 1K have been surpassed..
>
> You can have a look on SuperMicro releases: http://smmax.sf.net
>
> :)
>
> Happy hacking!
> _Stefano 

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