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| Started by | dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> |
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| First post | 2012-04-14 21:36 +1000 |
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Label colouring dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-14 21:36 +1000
Re: Label colouring nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-14 09:34 -0400
Re: Label colouring dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-15 02:21 +1000
Re: Label colouring Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2012-04-14 14:45 +0100
Re: Label colouring dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-15 02:38 +1000
Re: Label colouring Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2012-04-14 07:48 -0700
Re: Label colouring Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-14 11:53 -0400
Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-14 08:55 -0700
Re: Label colouring "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-04-15 19:45 +0000
Re: Label colouring dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-15 02:42 +1000
Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-16 18:57 +1200
Re: Label colouring George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-16 10:09 -0500
Re: Label colouring Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-16 15:28 +0000
Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-16 16:48 -0400
Re: Label colouring Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-16 17:11 -0400
Re: Label colouring Joe Dee <joe@invalid.invalid> - 2012-04-16 18:31 -0400
Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-16 15:33 -0700
Re: Label colouring Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-16 22:57 +0000
Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-16 14:38 -0700
Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-17 10:35 +1200
Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-16 15:47 -0700
Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-17 19:38 +0200
Re: Label colouring HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-18 09:10 +1200
Re: Label colouring dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-18 10:02 +1000
Re: Label colouring Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-04-18 15:29 -0700
Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-17 18:22 -0400
Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-18 09:12 +0200
Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-19 02:24 +1200
Re: Label colouring Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-16 11:31 -0400
Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-16 19:36 -0400
Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-16 16:48 -0700
Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-18 09:19 +0200
Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-19 02:24 +1200
Re: Label colouring Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 16:27 +0100
Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-18 08:37 -0700
Re: Label colouring "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2012-04-18 15:19 -0400
Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-18 16:44 -0700
Re: Label colouring Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-18 23:48 +0000
Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-18 17:19 -0700
Re: Label colouring JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-18 21:42 -0400
Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-19 17:24 +0200
Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-18 22:53 -0400
Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-18 19:58 -0700
Re: Label colouring Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-19 03:37 +0000
Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-20 16:50 +0200
Re: Label colouring Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-20 16:28 +0000
Re: Label colouring JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-20 15:14 -0400
Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-21 14:12 +0200
Re: Label colouring Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2012-04-20 09:42 -0700
Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-24 15:42 -0400
Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-19 15:57 +1200
Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-19 17:18 +0200
Re: Label colouring TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-04-19 13:54 -0500
Re: Label colouring dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-20 08:55 +1000
Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-20 16:49 +0200
Re: Label colouring Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 14:22 +0100
Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-20 03:49 +1200
Re: Label colouring Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-19 16:13 -0400
Re: Label colouring Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-19 13:48 -0400
Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-19 16:22 -0400
Re: Label colouring Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-20 12:40 -0400
Re: Label colouring Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-20 17:47 +0000
Re: Label colouring Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-21 11:45 -0400
Re: Label colouring Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-19 13:52 -0400
Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-19 16:28 -0400
Re: Label colouring Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-19 17:12 -0400
Re: Label colouring nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-19 15:08 -0700
Re: Label colouring Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2012-04-16 09:15 -0700
Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-17 10:35 +1200
Re: Label colouring paris2venice@gmail.com - 2012-04-17 15:31 -0700
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| From | Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2012-04-19 17:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <4bn569-0hh.ln1@news.sture.ch> |
| In reply to | #24019 |
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:42:24 -0400, JF Mezei wrote: > If you look at the periodic table of elements, you will see Aluminium. > Not the USA's "aluminum". "The official change in the US to the –um spelling happened quite late: the American Chemical Society only adopted it in 1925, though this was clearly in response to the popular shift that had already taken place. The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) officially standardised on aluminium in 1990, though this has done nothing, of course, to change the way people in the US spell it for day to day purposes." From <http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/aluminium.htm> which demonstrates that it wasn't a simple evolution. Also from that article: "Humphry Davy abominated gravy, and lived in the odium of having discovered sodium” -- Paul Sture
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2012-04-18 22:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <180420122253537395%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #23987 |
Sara: > I get enough problems with people always adding an 'h' to my name. But you're not at all surprised by that, since your name, like so many others in the Western world, comes to you from Hebrew, where the root is srh, the feminine form of sr, meaning prince, or, in modern Hebrew, a government minister. While your name has many variants, in the English-speaking world it is more often written as Sarah than as Sara. Everyone who has a variant spelling in their name is doomed to suffer frequent misspellings. I've been around a bit, so when I encounter a srh I ask "With or without an aitch?" Be glad that you're not an unfortunate American male whose ignoramus parents liked the sound of the name Sean but didn't have the sense to learn how to spell the name and saddled the kid with the phonetic spelling Shawn. That unfortunate name is now so common as to not draw any notice outside of stickler circles in this era of the accelerating dumbing of America, but I'm still glad that my parents didn't saddle me with a name they didn't know how to spell. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2012-04-18 19:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-A61966.19580018042012@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #24020 |
In article <180420122253537395%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > Be glad that you're not an unfortunate American male whose ignoramus > parents liked the sound of the name Sean but didn't have the sense to > learn how to spell the name and saddled the kid with the phonetic > spelling Shawn. How about the ones who don't realize that "fl" in Gaelic is pronounced with a silent "f", so when they name their son "Floyd", they pronounce the "F", and when they want the correct pronunciation for "Floyd", they spell it "Lloyd"? -- Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2012-04-19 03:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4f8f8897$0$16171$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #24021 |
In article <michelle-A61966.19580018042012@news.eternal-september.org>, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > >How about the ones who don't realize that "fl" in Gaelic is pronounced with >a silent "f", so when they name their son "Floyd", they pronounce the "F", >and when they want the correct pronunciation for "Floyd", they spell it >"Lloyd"? Well, I've seen even actual English people give up and name their sons "Rafe," presumably to avoid people using a long "a" and pronouncing the "l" if they'd spelled it "Ralph." Patty
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| From | Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2012-04-20 16:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <vm9869-7bn.ln1@news.sture.ch> |
| In reply to | #24024 |
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:37:59 +0000, Patty Winter wrote: > In article <michelle-A61966.19580018042012@news.eternal-september.org>, > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: >> >>How about the ones who don't realize that "fl" in Gaelic is pronounced >>with a silent "f", so when they name their son "Floyd", they pronounce >>the "F", and when they want the correct pronunciation for "Floyd", they >>spell it "Lloyd"? > > Well, I've seen even actual English people give up and name their sons > "Rafe," presumably to avoid people using a long "a" and pronouncing the > "l" if they'd spelled it "Ralph." > The odd thing there is that I went to school with Ralph, and he pronounced his name phonetically. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2012-04-20 16:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <4f918eb9$0$16136$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #24093 |
In article <vm9869-7bn.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote: >On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:37:59 +0000, Patty Winter wrote: > >> Well, I've seen even actual English people give up and name their sons >> "Rafe," presumably to avoid people using a long "a" and pronouncing the >> "l" if they'd spelled it "Ralph." > >The odd thing there is that I went to school with Ralph, and he >pronounced his name phonetically. Was that in Switzerland? I don't know how they usually pronounce it there Patty
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2012-04-20 15:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <4f91b5a7$0$2191$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #24102 |
>>The odd thing there is that I went to school with Ralph, and he >>pronounced his name phonetically. I learned how to pronounce Ralph when watching Happy Days. Floyd: when watching 2010 (and the F was pronounced).
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| From | Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2012-04-21 14:12 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <0qka69-f8v.ln1@news.sture.ch> |
| In reply to | #24102 |
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:28:41 +0000, Patty Winter wrote: > In article <vm9869-7bn.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> > wrote: >>On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:37:59 +0000, Patty Winter wrote: >> >>> Well, I've seen even actual English people give up and name their sons >>> "Rafe," presumably to avoid people using a long "a" and pronouncing >>> the "l" if they'd spelled it "Ralph." >> >>The odd thing there is that I went to school with Ralph, and he >>pronounced his name phonetically. > > Was that in Switzerland? I don't know how they usually pronounce it > there No, in the UK. Since you mention Switzerland, the authorities here do vet the names that go on birth certificates. For example a former colleague from the Italian speaking part of the country is called Andrea, which is a male name in Italian, but he was born in the German speaking part and the authorities insisted he also had a name which was male sounding in German. A very sensible approach, I'm sure you'll agree. He signs himself as Andy on newsgroup postings :-) -- Paul Sture
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| From | Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2012-04-20 09:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <yoOdnf1dJ952DAzSnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #24021 |
Michelle Steiner wrote: > In article <180420122253537395%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > >> Be glad that you're not an unfortunate American male whose ignoramus >> parents liked the sound of the name Sean but didn't have the sense to >> learn how to spell the name and saddled the kid with the phonetic >> spelling Shawn. > > How about the ones who don't realize that "fl" in Gaelic is pronounced with > a silent "f", so when they name their son "Floyd", they pronounce the "F", > and when they want the correct pronunciation for "Floyd", they spell it > "Lloyd"? Not to mention the ones who call their daughter Caitlin and then pronounce it Kate-Lynn, not realising that it's merely the Irish spelling of Kathleen -- which is an English approximation of the Irish name in the first place. Paul Magnussen
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2012-04-24 15:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <240420121542167215%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #24104 |
Paul Magnussen: > Not to mention the ones who call their daughter Caitlin and then > pronounce it Kate-Lynn, not realising that it's merely the Irish > spelling of Kathleen -- which is an English approximation of the Irish > name in the first place. And which derives from that common affliction among English speakers (and apparently Irish as well), the inability to distinguish between R and L. Witness Kathleen (Katharine) and Colonel. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2012-04-19 15:57 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1kit2kq.1nktk11g4qfxrN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #24020 |
Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > Sara: > > I get enough problems with people always adding an 'h' to my name. > > But you're not at all surprised by that, since your name, like so many > others in the Western world, comes to you from Hebrew, where the root > is srh, the feminine form of sr, meaning prince, or, in modern Hebrew, > a government minister. > > While your name has many variants, in the English-speaking world it is > more often written as Sarah than as Sara. Everyone who has a variant > spelling in their name is doomed to suffer frequent misspellings. I've > been around a bit, so when I encounter a srh I ask "With or without an > aitch?" > > Be glad that you're not an unfortunate American male whose ignoramus > parents liked the sound of the name Sean but didn't have the sense to > learn how to spell the name and saddled the kid with the phonetic > spelling Shawn. That unfortunate name is now so common as to not draw > any notice outside of stickler circles in this era of the accelerating > dumbing of America, but I'm still glad that my parents didn't saddle me > with a name they didn't know how to spell. I saw a great list of misspelled names a few years back with some really shocking examples, far worse than Shawn. You'd think parents would take the time to actually check the spelling of their KID'S NAME. But nope... It would of funny were it not so headdesk inducingly dumb. e.g. <http://mommyish.com/stuff/stfu-parents-the-future-of-baby-names-801/> -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2012-04-19 17:18 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <8vm569-0hh.ln1@news.sture.ch> |
| In reply to | #24026 |
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:57:09 +1200, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > saw a great list of misspelled names a few years back with some really > shocking examples, far worse than Shawn. You'd think parents would take > the time to actually check the spelling of their KID'S NAME. But nope... > > It would of funny were it not so headdesk inducingly dumb. > > e.g. > <http://mommyish.com/stuff/stfu-parents-the-future-of-baby-names-801/> It's not just the spellings. I once bought a book which listed ill thought out names of real people. Orson Carte and Shanda Lear were two that I recall, but there were plenty of other howlers. IIRC Shanda was a member of the Lear Jet family, who should probably have known better. -- Paul Sture
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| From | TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> |
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| Date | 2012-04-19 13:54 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <9vb5arF5dnU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #24043 |
On 2012-04-19 15:18:32 +0000, Paul Sture said: > It's not just the spellings. I once bought a book which listed ill > thought out names of real people. > > Orson Carte and Shanda Lear were two that I recall, but there were plenty > of other howlers. IIRC Shanda was a member of the Lear Jet family, who > should probably have known better. And I once new a guy whose last name was Royds and he and his wife named their son Homer. Think about it! -- James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas
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| From | dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> |
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| Date | 2012-04-20 08:55 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <dorayme-7921A3.08550420042012@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #24061 |
In article <9vb5arF5dnU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote: > I once new a guy whose last name was Royds and he and his wife > named their son Homer. Think about it! Surely, better not to! <g> -- dorayme
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| From | Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2012-04-20 16:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <bl9869-7bn.ln1@news.sture.ch> |
| In reply to | #24061 |
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:54:19 -0500, TaliesinSoft wrote: > On 2012-04-19 15:18:32 +0000, Paul Sture said: > >> It's not just the spellings. I once bought a book which listed ill >> thought out names of real people. >> >> Orson Carte and Shanda Lear were two that I recall, but there were >> plenty of other howlers. IIRC Shanda was a member of the Lear Jet >> family, who should probably have known better. > > And I once new a guy whose last name was Royds and he and his wife named > their son Homer. Think about it! And you know what his nickname is going to be when he gets to school... I have also come across a Richard Head. Dick is a common abbreviation of Richard. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-04-19 14:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <saramerriman-A6B7A2.14225819042012@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #24020 |
In article <180420122253537395%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > Sara: > > I get enough problems with people always adding an 'h' to my name. > > But you're not at all surprised by that, since your name, like so many > others in the Western world, comes to you from Hebrew, where the root > is srh, the feminine form of sr, meaning prince, or, in modern Hebrew, > a government minister. > > While your name has many variants, in the English-speaking world it is > more often written as Sarah than as Sara. Everyone who has a variant > spelling in their name is doomed to suffer frequent misspellings. I've > been around a bit, so when I encounter a srh I ask "With or without an > aitch?" It's not just the spelling, these days the pronunciation has changed so that those like me without an aitch are "sah-ra" whilst those with tend to be "sair-ah" > > Be glad that you're not an unfortunate American male whose ignoramus > parents liked the sound of the name Sean but didn't have the sense to > learn how to spell the name and saddled the kid with the phonetic > spelling Shawn. That unfortunate name is now so common as to not draw > any notice outside of stickler circles in this era of the accelerating > dumbing of America, but I'm still glad that my parents didn't saddle me > with a name they didn't know how to spell. Not only americans, there was a lad in my (London) primary school called Shawn. Let's not get anywhere neta the Siobhan's and Niambh's of the world... -- Sara Peeps squeaks, Billy is silly and as for Armageddon...
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2012-04-20 03:49 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1kitzmp.l0rhrcze3x7nN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #24036 |
Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Let's not get anywhere neta the Siobhan's and Niambh's of the world... Traditional Irish and Scottish names are rather beautiful IMO. It rubs me the wrong way to see them distorted by the ignorant, or parents lame enough to cave to the lowest common denominator and spell them phonetically. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> |
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| Date | 2012-04-19 16:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <fmoore-D8B337.16135719042012@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #24046 |
In article <1kitzmp.l0rhrcze3x7nN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Let's not get anywhere neta the Siobhan's and Niambh's of the world...
>
> Traditional Irish and Scottish names are rather beautiful IMO. It rubs
> me the wrong way to see them distorted by the ignorant, or parents lame
> enough to cave to the lowest common denominator and spell them
> phonetically.
Just so everyone knows, there are legitimate Germanic (and other
European) versions of Sean which are spelled Shawn and even Shawan.
Celtic (and that's pronounced keltik, not seltik) names, or those of any
other language for that matter, may well be considered beautiful.
However, if you want your name pronounced phonetically correctly in the
local language, you should spell it according to the spelling and
pronunciation rules for that language. Consequently, if Niambh McNulty,
to use Warren's example, wants her name to be pronounced Neeve by
English speakers, she should spell it that way. Of course, it's her
right to not care how her name is pronounced.
For example, my name, Fred Moore, is properly pronounced, 'Great and
Universally Omnipotent and Benevolent Supremity of All Space-Time'.
However, that's way too many syllables, so I seldom correct anyone.
Still, I will respond to a proper pronunciation, and even grant you
three wishes. :-D
--
Remember, I'm pullin' for ya.
We're all in this together.
--Red Green
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| From | Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-04-19 13:48 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <4f904ff3$0$19811$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #24036 |
In article <saramerriman-A6B7A2.14225819042012@news.eternal-september.org>, Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > In article <180420122253537395%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> > wrote: > > > Sara: > > > I get enough problems with people always adding an 'h' to my name. > > > > But you're not at all surprised by that, since your name, like so many > > others in the Western world, comes to you from Hebrew, where the root > > is srh, the feminine form of sr, meaning prince, or, in modern Hebrew, > > a government minister. > > > > While your name has many variants, in the English-speaking world it is > > more often written as Sarah than as Sara. Everyone who has a variant > > spelling in their name is doomed to suffer frequent misspellings. I've > > been around a bit, so when I encounter a srh I ask "With or without an > > aitch?" > > It's not just the spelling, these days the pronunciation has changed so > that those like me without an aitch are "sah-ra" whilst those with tend > to be "sair-ah" > > > > Be glad that you're not an unfortunate American male whose ignoramus > > parents liked the sound of the name Sean but didn't have the sense to > > learn how to spell the name and saddled the kid with the phonetic > > spelling Shawn. That unfortunate name is now so common as to not draw > > any notice outside of stickler circles in this era of the accelerating > > dumbing of America, but I'm still glad that my parents didn't saddle me > > with a name they didn't know how to spell. > > Not only americans, there was a lad in my (London) primary school called > Shawn. > > Let's not get anywhere neta the Siobhan's and Niambh's of the world... http://www.startrekfreedom.com/wiki/index.php/Niambh_McNulty -- ... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2012-04-19 16:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <190420121622345640%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #24056 |
Warren Oates: > http://www.startrekfreedom.com/wiki/index.php/Niambh_McNulty There you go. Were her parents trying to make a political statement? IMO, if a person born in the English-speaking world requires "(Pronounced nnnnn") behind their written name for other English speakers, their parents did them a disservice. Having to explain to a Chinese or Azerbaijani how "Warren" is pronounced is a different matter. If such a name is a jingoistic political statement about being Scots or Welsh or Irish or anything English, I have bad news. Genetic evidence is that the ancestors of the vast majority of peoples living in the British Isles came from the Iberian Peninsula about 16,000 YBP and spoke a language related to Basque (Stephen Oppenheimer, medical geneticist, University of Oxford. See "The Origins of the British: A Genetic Detective Story," Carroll & Graf, 2006). Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings, Normans, and other invaders added very little to the gene pool; there just weren't that many of them. IOW, the people of the British Isles are genetically quite homogeneous. Bad luck for my Scottish friends who named their son Ruaridh, knowing that no English speaker anywhere could pronounce it correctly, what? The underlying truth is here <http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0034/2402/products/110802AfricanTshirt _large.jpg> and it is this truth that explains opposition to the teaching of Darwinian evolution in the U.S. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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