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Label colouring

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First post2012-04-14 21:36 +1000
Last post2012-04-17 15:31 -0700
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  Label colouring dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-14 21:36 +1000
    Re: Label colouring nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-14 09:34 -0400
      Re: Label colouring dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-15 02:21 +1000
    Re: Label colouring Howard.not@home.com (Howard) - 2012-04-14 14:45 +0100
      Re: Label colouring dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-15 02:38 +1000
    Re: Label colouring Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2012-04-14 07:48 -0700
    Re: Label colouring Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-14 11:53 -0400
      Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-14 08:55 -0700
        Re: Label colouring "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-04-15 19:45 +0000
      Re: Label colouring dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-15 02:42 +1000
      Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-16 18:57 +1200
        Re: Label colouring George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-16 10:09 -0500
        Re: Label colouring Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-16 15:28 +0000
          Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-16 16:48 -0400
            Re: Label colouring Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-16 17:11 -0400
              Re: Label colouring Joe Dee <joe@invalid.invalid> - 2012-04-16 18:31 -0400
                Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-16 15:33 -0700
                  Re: Label colouring Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-16 22:57 +0000
            Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-16 14:38 -0700
              Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-17 10:35 +1200
                Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-16 15:47 -0700
            Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-17 19:38 +0200
              Re: Label colouring HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-18 09:10 +1200
                Re: Label colouring dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-18 10:02 +1000
                Re: Label colouring Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-04-18 15:29 -0700
              Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-17 18:22 -0400
                Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-18 09:12 +0200
                  Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-19 02:24 +1200
        Re: Label colouring Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-16 11:31 -0400
          Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-16 19:36 -0400
            Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-16 16:48 -0700
            Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-18 09:19 +0200
              Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-19 02:24 +1200
                Re: Label colouring Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-18 16:27 +0100
                  Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-18 08:37 -0700
                    Re: Label colouring "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2012-04-18 15:19 -0400
                      Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-18 16:44 -0700
                        Re: Label colouring Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-18 23:48 +0000
                          Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-18 17:19 -0700
                            Re: Label colouring JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-18 21:42 -0400
                              Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-19 17:24 +0200
                  Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-18 22:53 -0400
                    Re: Label colouring Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-18 19:58 -0700
                      Re: Label colouring Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-19 03:37 +0000
                        Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-20 16:50 +0200
                          Re: Label colouring Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-20 16:28 +0000
                            Re: Label colouring JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-04-20 15:14 -0400
                            Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-21 14:12 +0200
                      Re: Label colouring Paul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net> - 2012-04-20 09:42 -0700
                        Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-24 15:42 -0400
                    Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-19 15:57 +1200
                      Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-19 17:18 +0200
                        Re: Label colouring TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-04-19 13:54 -0500
                          Re: Label colouring dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-20 08:55 +1000
                          Re: Label colouring Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-20 16:49 +0200
                    Re: Label colouring Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-19 14:22 +0100
                      Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-20 03:49 +1200
                        Re: Label colouring Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-19 16:13 -0400
                      Re: Label colouring Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-19 13:48 -0400
                        Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-19 16:22 -0400
                          Re: Label colouring Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-20 12:40 -0400
                            Re: Label colouring Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-04-20 17:47 +0000
                              Re: Label colouring Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-04-21 11:45 -0400
            Re: Label colouring Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-19 13:52 -0400
              Re: Label colouring Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-19 16:28 -0400
                Re: Label colouring Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-04-19 17:12 -0400
                  Re: Label colouring nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-04-19 15:08 -0700
        Re: Label colouring Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2012-04-16 09:15 -0700
          Re: Label colouring jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-17 10:35 +1200
          Re: Label colouring paris2venice@gmail.com - 2012-04-17 15:31 -0700

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#24044

FromPaul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
Date2012-04-19 17:24 +0200
Message-ID<4bn569-0hh.ln1@news.sture.ch>
In reply to#24019
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:42:24 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:

> If you look at the periodic table of elements, you will see Aluminium.
> Not the USA's "aluminum".

"The official change in the US to the –um spelling happened quite late: 
the American Chemical Society only adopted it in 1925, though this was 
clearly in response to the popular shift that had already taken place. 
The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) officially 
standardised on aluminium in 1990, though this has done nothing, of 
course, to change the way people in the US spell it for day to day 
purposes."

From <http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/aluminium.htm> which 
demonstrates that it wasn't a simple evolution.

Also from that article:

"Humphry Davy abominated gravy, and lived in the odium of having 
discovered sodium”

-- 
Paul Sture

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#24020

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2012-04-18 22:53 -0400
Message-ID<180420122253537395%star@sky.net>
In reply to#23987
Sara:
> I get enough problems with people always adding an 'h' to my name.

But you're not at all surprised by that, since your name, like so many
others in the Western world, comes to you from Hebrew, where the root
is srh, the feminine form of sr, meaning prince, or, in modern Hebrew,
a government minister.

While your name has many variants, in the English-speaking world it is
more often written as Sarah than as Sara. Everyone who has a variant
spelling in their name is doomed to suffer frequent misspellings. I've
been around a bit, so when I encounter a srh I ask "With or without an
aitch?" 

Be glad that you're not an unfortunate American male whose ignoramus
parents liked the sound of the name Sean but didn't have the sense to
learn how to spell the name and saddled the kid with the phonetic
spelling Shawn. That unfortunate name is now so common as to not draw
any notice outside of stickler circles in this era of the accelerating
dumbing of America, but I'm still glad that my parents didn't saddle me
with a name they didn't know how to spell.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#24021

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2012-04-18 19:58 -0700
Message-ID<michelle-A61966.19580018042012@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#24020
In article <180420122253537395%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

> Be glad that you're not an unfortunate American male whose ignoramus 
> parents liked the sound of the name Sean but didn't have the sense to 
> learn how to spell the name and saddled the kid with the phonetic 
> spelling Shawn.

How about the ones who don't realize that "fl" in Gaelic is pronounced with 
a silent "f", so when they name their son "Floyd", they pronounce the "F", 
and when they want the correct pronunciation for "Floyd", they spell it 
"Lloyd"?

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#24024

FromPatty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com>
Date2012-04-19 03:37 +0000
Message-ID<4f8f8897$0$16171$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
In reply to#24021
In article <michelle-A61966.19580018042012@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner  <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>How about the ones who don't realize that "fl" in Gaelic is pronounced with 
>a silent "f", so when they name their son "Floyd", they pronounce the "F", 
>and when they want the correct pronunciation for "Floyd", they spell it 
>"Lloyd"?

Well, I've seen even actual English people give up and name their
sons "Rafe," presumably to avoid people using a long "a" and 
pronouncing the "l" if they'd spelled it "Ralph."


Patty

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#24093

FromPaul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
Date2012-04-20 16:50 +0200
Message-ID<vm9869-7bn.ln1@news.sture.ch>
In reply to#24024
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:37:59 +0000, Patty Winter wrote:

> In article <michelle-A61966.19580018042012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner  <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>
>>How about the ones who don't realize that "fl" in Gaelic is pronounced
>>with a silent "f", so when they name their son "Floyd", they pronounce
>>the "F", and when they want the correct pronunciation for "Floyd", they
>>spell it "Lloyd"?
> 
> Well, I've seen even actual English people give up and name their sons
> "Rafe," presumably to avoid people using a long "a" and pronouncing the
> "l" if they'd spelled it "Ralph."
> 

The odd thing there is that I went to school with Ralph, and he 
pronounced his name phonetically.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#24102

FromPatty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com>
Date2012-04-20 16:28 +0000
Message-ID<4f918eb9$0$16136$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
In reply to#24093
In article <vm9869-7bn.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture  <paul@sture.ch> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:37:59 +0000, Patty Winter wrote:
>
>> Well, I've seen even actual English people give up and name their sons
>> "Rafe," presumably to avoid people using a long "a" and pronouncing the
>> "l" if they'd spelled it "Ralph."
>
>The odd thing there is that I went to school with Ralph, and he 
>pronounced his name phonetically.

Was that in Switzerland? I don't know how they usually pronounce it
there


Patty

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#24112

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2012-04-20 15:14 -0400
Message-ID<4f91b5a7$0$2191$c3e8da3$9f400e27@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#24102
>>The odd thing there is that I went to school with Ralph, and he 
>>pronounced his name phonetically.


I learned how to pronounce Ralph when watching Happy Days.

Floyd:  when watching 2010  (and the F was pronounced).

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#24150

FromPaul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
Date2012-04-21 14:12 +0200
Message-ID<0qka69-f8v.ln1@news.sture.ch>
In reply to#24102
On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:28:41 +0000, Patty Winter wrote:

> In article <vm9869-7bn.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture  <paul@sture.ch>
> wrote:
>>On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:37:59 +0000, Patty Winter wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I've seen even actual English people give up and name their sons
>>> "Rafe," presumably to avoid people using a long "a" and pronouncing
>>> the "l" if they'd spelled it "Ralph."
>>
>>The odd thing there is that I went to school with Ralph, and he
>>pronounced his name phonetically.
> 
> Was that in Switzerland? I don't know how they usually pronounce it
> there

No, in the UK.

Since you mention Switzerland, the authorities here do vet the names that 
go on birth certificates.  For example a former colleague from the 
Italian speaking part of the country is called Andrea, which is a male 
name in Italian, but he was born in the German speaking part and the 
authorities insisted he also had a name which was male sounding in 
German.  A very sensible approach, I'm sure you'll agree.

He signs himself as Andy on newsgroup postings :-)

-- 
Paul Sture

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#24104

FromPaul Magnussen <magiconinc@earthlink.net>
Date2012-04-20 09:42 -0700
Message-ID<yoOdnf1dJ952DAzSnZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#24021
Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <180420122253537395%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> 
>> Be glad that you're not an unfortunate American male whose ignoramus 
>> parents liked the sound of the name Sean but didn't have the sense to 
>> learn how to spell the name and saddled the kid with the phonetic 
>> spelling Shawn.
> 
> How about the ones who don't realize that "fl" in Gaelic is pronounced with 
> a silent "f", so when they name their son "Floyd", they pronounce the "F", 
> and when they want the correct pronunciation for "Floyd", they spell it 
> "Lloyd"?

Not to mention the ones who call their daughter Caitlin and then 
pronounce it Kate-Lynn, not realising that it's merely the Irish 
spelling of Kathleen -- which is an English approximation of the Irish 
name in the first place.

Paul Magnussen

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#24344

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2012-04-24 15:42 -0400
Message-ID<240420121542167215%star@sky.net>
In reply to#24104
Paul Magnussen:
> Not to mention the ones who call their daughter Caitlin and then 
> pronounce it Kate-Lynn, not realising that it's merely the Irish 
> spelling of Kathleen -- which is an English approximation of the Irish 
> name in the first place.

And which derives from that common affliction among English speakers
(and apparently Irish as well), the inability to distinguish between R
and L. Witness Kathleen (Katharine) and Colonel.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#24026

Fromjamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date2012-04-19 15:57 +1200
Message-ID<1kit2kq.1nktk11g4qfxrN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to#24020
Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

> Sara:
> > I get enough problems with people always adding an 'h' to my name.
> 
> But you're not at all surprised by that, since your name, like so many
> others in the Western world, comes to you from Hebrew, where the root
> is srh, the feminine form of sr, meaning prince, or, in modern Hebrew,
> a government minister.
> 
> While your name has many variants, in the English-speaking world it is
> more often written as Sarah than as Sara. Everyone who has a variant
> spelling in their name is doomed to suffer frequent misspellings. I've
> been around a bit, so when I encounter a srh I ask "With or without an
> aitch?" 
> 
> Be glad that you're not an unfortunate American male whose ignoramus
> parents liked the sound of the name Sean but didn't have the sense to
> learn how to spell the name and saddled the kid with the phonetic
> spelling Shawn. That unfortunate name is now so common as to not draw
> any notice outside of stickler circles in this era of the accelerating
> dumbing of America, but I'm still glad that my parents didn't saddle me
> with a name they didn't know how to spell.

I saw a great list of misspelled names a few years back with some really
shocking examples, far worse than Shawn. You'd think parents would take
the time to actually check the spelling of their KID'S NAME. But nope...

It would of funny were it not so headdesk inducingly dumb.

e.g.
<http://mommyish.com/stuff/stfu-parents-the-future-of-baby-names-801/>
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#24043

FromPaul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
Date2012-04-19 17:18 +0200
Message-ID<8vm569-0hh.ln1@news.sture.ch>
In reply to#24026
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:57:09 +1200, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:

>  saw a great list of misspelled names a few years back with some really
> shocking examples, far worse than Shawn. You'd think parents would take
> the time to actually check the spelling of their KID'S NAME. But nope...
> 
> It would of funny were it not so headdesk inducingly dumb.
> 
> e.g.
> <http://mommyish.com/stuff/stfu-parents-the-future-of-baby-names-801/>

It's not just the spellings.  I once bought a book which listed ill 
thought out names of real people.

Orson Carte and Shanda Lear were two that I recall, but there were plenty 
of other howlers.  IIRC Shanda was a member of the Lear Jet family, who 
should probably have known better.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#24061

FromTaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com>
Date2012-04-19 13:54 -0500
Message-ID<9vb5arF5dnU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#24043
On 2012-04-19 15:18:32 +0000, Paul Sture said:

> It's not just the spellings.  I once bought a book which listed ill
> thought out names of real people.
> 
> Orson Carte and Shanda Lear were two that I recall, but there were plenty
> of other howlers.  IIRC Shanda was a member of the Lear Jet family, who
> should probably have known better.

And I once new a guy whose last name was Royds and he and his wife 
named their son Homer. Think about it!

-- 
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

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#24074

Fromdorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au>
Date2012-04-20 08:55 +1000
Message-ID<dorayme-7921A3.08550420042012@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#24061
In article <9vb5arF5dnU1@mid.individual.net>,
 TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> I once new a guy whose last name was Royds and he and his wife 
> named their son Homer. Think about it!

Surely, better not to! <g>

-- 
dorayme

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#24092

FromPaul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
Date2012-04-20 16:49 +0200
Message-ID<bl9869-7bn.ln1@news.sture.ch>
In reply to#24061
On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:54:19 -0500, TaliesinSoft wrote:

> On 2012-04-19 15:18:32 +0000, Paul Sture said:
> 
>> It's not just the spellings.  I once bought a book which listed ill
>> thought out names of real people.
>> 
>> Orson Carte and Shanda Lear were two that I recall, but there were
>> plenty of other howlers.  IIRC Shanda was a member of the Lear Jet
>> family, who should probably have known better.
> 
> And I once new a guy whose last name was Royds and he and his wife named
> their son Homer. Think about it!

And you know what his nickname is going to be when he gets to school...

I have also come across a Richard Head.  Dick is a common abbreviation of 
Richard.



-- 
Paul Sture

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#24036

FromSara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date2012-04-19 14:22 +0100
Message-ID<saramerriman-A6B7A2.14225819042012@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#24020
In article <180420122253537395%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
wrote:

> Sara:
> > I get enough problems with people always adding an 'h' to my name.
> 
> But you're not at all surprised by that, since your name, like so many
> others in the Western world, comes to you from Hebrew, where the root
> is srh, the feminine form of sr, meaning prince, or, in modern Hebrew,
> a government minister.
> 
> While your name has many variants, in the English-speaking world it is
> more often written as Sarah than as Sara. Everyone who has a variant
> spelling in their name is doomed to suffer frequent misspellings. I've
> been around a bit, so when I encounter a srh I ask "With or without an
> aitch?" 

It's not just the spelling, these days the pronunciation has changed so 
that those like me without an aitch are "sah-ra" whilst those with tend 
to be "sair-ah"
> 
> Be glad that you're not an unfortunate American male whose ignoramus
> parents liked the sound of the name Sean but didn't have the sense to
> learn how to spell the name and saddled the kid with the phonetic
> spelling Shawn. That unfortunate name is now so common as to not draw
> any notice outside of stickler circles in this era of the accelerating
> dumbing of America, but I'm still glad that my parents didn't saddle me
> with a name they didn't know how to spell.

Not only americans, there was a lad in my (London) primary school called 
Shawn.

Let's not get anywhere neta the Siobhan's and Niambh's of the world...

-- 
Sara

Peeps squeaks, Billy is silly and as for Armageddon...

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#24046

Fromjamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date2012-04-20 03:49 +1200
Message-ID<1kitzmp.l0rhrcze3x7nN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to#24036
Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Let's not get anywhere neta the Siobhan's and Niambh's of the world...

Traditional Irish and Scottish names are rather beautiful IMO. It rubs
me the wrong way to see them distorted by the ignorant, or parents lame
enough to cave to the lowest common denominator and spell them
phonetically.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#24065

FromFred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org>
Date2012-04-19 16:13 -0400
Message-ID<fmoore-D8B337.16135719042012@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#24046
In article <1kitzmp.l0rhrcze3x7nN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Let's not get anywhere neta the Siobhan's and Niambh's of the world...
> 
> Traditional Irish and Scottish names are rather beautiful IMO. It rubs
> me the wrong way to see them distorted by the ignorant, or parents lame
> enough to cave to the lowest common denominator and spell them
> phonetically.

Just so everyone knows, there are legitimate Germanic (and other 
European) versions of Sean which are spelled Shawn and even Shawan.

Celtic (and that's pronounced keltik, not seltik) names, or those of any 
other language for that matter, may well be considered beautiful. 
However, if you want your name pronounced phonetically correctly in the 
local language, you should spell it according to the spelling and 
pronunciation rules for that language. Consequently, if Niambh McNulty, 
to use Warren's example, wants her name to be pronounced Neeve by 
English speakers, she should spell it that way. Of course, it's her 
right to not care how her name is pronounced.

For example, my name, Fred Moore, is properly pronounced, 'Great and 
Universally Omnipotent and Benevolent Supremity of All Space-Time'. 
However, that's way too many syllables, so I seldom correct anyone. 
Still, I will respond to a proper pronunciation, and even grant you 
three wishes.  :-D

-- 
Remember, I'm pullin' for ya.
We're all in this together.
                  --Red Green

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#24056

FromWarren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date2012-04-19 13:48 -0400
Message-ID<4f904ff3$0$19811$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#24036
In article 
<saramerriman-A6B7A2.14225819042012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <180420122253537395%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Sara:
> > > I get enough problems with people always adding an 'h' to my name.
> > 
> > But you're not at all surprised by that, since your name, like so many
> > others in the Western world, comes to you from Hebrew, where the root
> > is srh, the feminine form of sr, meaning prince, or, in modern Hebrew,
> > a government minister.
> > 
> > While your name has many variants, in the English-speaking world it is
> > more often written as Sarah than as Sara. Everyone who has a variant
> > spelling in their name is doomed to suffer frequent misspellings. I've
> > been around a bit, so when I encounter a srh I ask "With or without an
> > aitch?" 
> 
> It's not just the spelling, these days the pronunciation has changed so 
> that those like me without an aitch are "sah-ra" whilst those with tend 
> to be "sair-ah"
> > 
> > Be glad that you're not an unfortunate American male whose ignoramus
> > parents liked the sound of the name Sean but didn't have the sense to
> > learn how to spell the name and saddled the kid with the phonetic
> > spelling Shawn. That unfortunate name is now so common as to not draw
> > any notice outside of stickler circles in this era of the accelerating
> > dumbing of America, but I'm still glad that my parents didn't saddle me
> > with a name they didn't know how to spell.
> 
> Not only americans, there was a lad in my (London) primary school called 
> Shawn.
> 
> Let's not get anywhere neta the Siobhan's and Niambh's of the world...

http://www.startrekfreedom.com/wiki/index.php/Niambh_McNulty
-- 

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

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#24066

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2012-04-19 16:22 -0400
Message-ID<190420121622345640%star@sky.net>
In reply to#24056
Warren Oates:
> http://www.startrekfreedom.com/wiki/index.php/Niambh_McNulty

There you go. Were her parents trying to make a political statement?
IMO, if a person born in the English-speaking world requires
"(Pronounced nnnnn") behind their written name for other English
speakers, their parents did them a disservice. Having to explain to a
Chinese or Azerbaijani how "Warren" is pronounced is a different
matter.

If such a name is a jingoistic political statement about being Scots or
Welsh or Irish or anything English, I have bad news. Genetic evidence
is that the ancestors of the vast majority of peoples living in the
British Isles came from the Iberian Peninsula about 16,000 YBP and
spoke a language related to Basque (Stephen Oppenheimer, medical
geneticist, University of Oxford. See "The Origins of the British: A
Genetic Detective Story," Carroll & Graf, 2006). Celts, Romans, Angles,
Saxons, Vikings, Normans, and other invaders added very little to the
gene pool; there just weren't that many of them. IOW, the people of the
British Isles are genetically quite homogeneous. Bad luck for my
Scottish friends who named their son Ruaridh, knowing that no English
speaker anywhere could pronounce it correctly, what?

The underlying truth is here
<http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0034/2402/products/110802AfricanTshirt
_large.jpg> and it is this truth that explains opposition to the
teaching of Darwinian evolution in the U.S.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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