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  *** High Priority Direct Client Requirements::::::::Plz revert without cjanging the subject line *** "madanlal@iconsoftgroup.com" <csmdl.iitm@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 10:52 -0700
    Re: incompetent headhunter spam Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-15 20:29 -0400
      Re: incompetent headhunter spam dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-03-16 19:10 +1300
        Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-16 11:35 +0100
          Re: incompetent headhunter spam Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-16 13:59 +0000
            Re: incompetent headhunter spam dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-03-17 14:12 +1300
              Re: incompetent headhunter spam Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-17 09:38 -0400
              Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-18 15:50 +0100
      Re: incompetent headhunter spam Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-03-16 11:39 -0400
        Re: incompetent headhunter spam Kaiden Nediak <kaiden@easilyaddicted.com> - 2012-03-16 12:05 -0700
          Re: incompetent headhunter spam Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2012-03-16 18:17 -0500
            Re: incompetent headhunter spam Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-03-17 08:04 -0400
              Re: incompetent headhunter spam Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-03-17 12:11 -0400
              Re: incompetent headhunter spam John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-03-17 21:46 -0700
                Re: incompetent headhunter spam Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-03-18 08:47 -0400
                  Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-18 15:48 +0100
                    Re: incompetent headhunter spam Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-18 12:32 -0400
                      Re: incompetent headhunter spam Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-03-18 09:39 -0800
                        Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-18 21:21 +0100
                          Re: incompetent headhunter spam Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-18 16:48 -0400
                    Re: incompetent headhunter spam dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-03-19 07:31 +1100
                      Re: incompetent headhunter spam Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-03-19 08:04 -0400
                        Re: incompetent headhunter spam Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-19 07:41 -0700
                      Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-19 14:06 +0100
                        Re: incompetent headhunter spam Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-03-19 10:51 -0400
                          Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-19 16:19 +0100
                          Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-20 12:08 +0100
                        Re: incompetent headhunter spam dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-03-20 06:25 +1100
              Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-18 15:42 +0100
            Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-18 15:41 +0100
              Re: incompetent headhunter spam Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-18 16:26 +0000
                Re: incompetent headhunter spam Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-18 12:45 -0400
                Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-18 21:09 +0100
                  Re: incompetent headhunter spam nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2012-03-18 13:32 -0700
                    Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-19 13:48 +0100
                  Re: incompetent headhunter spam Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-19 10:07 +0000
                    Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-19 14:03 +0100
                      Re: incompetent headhunter spam nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2012-03-19 07:36 -0700
                        Re: incompetent headhunter spam Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-19 22:30 -0400
                          Re: incompetent headhunter spam nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2012-03-19 21:11 -0700
                        Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-20 12:02 +0100
                          Re: incompetent headhunter spam Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-03-20 13:13 -0400
                            Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-21 11:36 +0100
                      Re: incompetent headhunter spam Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-19 07:44 -0700
                        Re: incompetent headhunter spam Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-20 11:57 +0100
                          He who laughs last .... Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-20 16:43 -0400
                            Re: He who laughs last .... Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-20 17:05 -0400
                            Re: He who laughs last .... Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2012-03-20 17:27 -0400
                              Re: He who laughs last .... Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-03-20 20:29 -0400
                                Re: He who laughs last .... Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-20 17:55 -0700
                                Re: He who laughs last .... Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-03-21 01:18 +0000
                                Re: He who laughs last .... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-21 09:20 +0000
                                  Re: He who laughs last .... Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-03-21 13:21 -0400
                                    Re: He who laughs last .... Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-21 17:27 +0000
                                Re: He who laughs last .... John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2012-03-21 10:42 -0700
                              Re: He who laughs last .... Ira Lieberman <iml.removethis@cfl.rr.com> - 2012-03-20 23:13 -0400
                          Re: incompetent headhunter spam Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-20 17:20 -0400
                            Re: incompetent headhunter spam Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-03-20 16:15 -0700
              Re: incompetent headhunter spam dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-03-19 07:21 +1100
            Re: incompetent headhunter spam russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) - 2012-03-19 01:07 +0000
        Re: incompetent headhunter spam Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-16 22:57 -0400
      Re: incompetent headhunter spam Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-16 16:40 -0400
        Re: incompetent headhunter spam Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-16 22:59 -0400
          Re: incompetent headhunter spam Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-17 09:39 -0400
            Re: incompetent headhunter spam Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-18 00:36 -0400
              Re: incompetent headhunter spam Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-03-18 10:15 -0400

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#22481 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

In article <569h39-e0h.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> 
wrote:

> ... my experience is that nowadays I 
> rarely hear the thick English accents portrayed by Hollywood.

Hollywood do all kinds of non yanky accents badly, they are hopeless 
at doing other English speaking nations, the admittedly difficult 
Australian, Northern England, working class Southern English accents.

They are good at Irish!

-- 
dorayme

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#22502 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

In article <dorayme-3A76C1.07312119032012@news.albasani.net>,
 dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Hollywood do all kinds of non yanky accents badly, they are hopeless 
> at doing other English speaking nations, the admittedly difficult 
> Australian, Northern England, working class Southern English accents.
> 
> They are good at Irish!

Mel Gibson's American accent keeps slipping all through Lethal Weapon. 

That was before we knew that Mel was a Total Fruitcake.
-- 

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

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#22509 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

In article <4f6720d1$0$1493$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com>,
 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mel Gibson's American accent keeps slipping all through Lethal Weapon. 
> 
> That was before we knew that Mel was a Total Fruitcake.

Oh?  Did his accent improve after we found out he's a total fruitcake?

BTW, why are we insulting total fruitcakes?

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#22505 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 07:31:21 +1100, dorayme wrote:

> In article <569h39-e0h.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
> wrote:
> 
>> ... my experience is that nowadays I
>> rarely hear the thick English accents portrayed by Hollywood.
> 
> Hollywood do all kinds of non yanky accents badly, they are hopeless at
> doing other English speaking nations, the admittedly difficult
> Australian, Northern England, working class Southern English accents.
> 
> They are good at Irish!

In the sixties/seventies we were treated to a load of Hollywood accents 
purporting to be English but sounded more like Oz actors trying (and 
failing) to get them right.

Dick van Dyke's accent in Mary Poppins was memorably bad.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#22511 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

In article <4knj39-55o.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> 
wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 07:31:21 +1100, dorayme wrote:
> 
> > In article <569h39-e0h.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> ... my experience is that nowadays I
> >> rarely hear the thick English accents portrayed by Hollywood.
> > 
> > Hollywood do all kinds of non yanky accents badly, they are hopeless at
> > doing other English speaking nations, the admittedly difficult
> > Australian, Northern England, working class Southern English accents.
> > 
> > They are good at Irish!
> 
> In the sixties/seventies we were treated to a load of Hollywood accents 
> purporting to be English but sounded more like Oz actors trying (and 
> failing) to get them right.
> 
> Dick van Dyke's accent in Mary Poppins was memorably bad.

I don't know if this is still noticeable or not, but in England, where 
Canadians could more easily get work permits than Americans, the British 
tv shows would hire Canadian actors for American roles. So a guy was 
supposed to be from Texas (say) and you'd hear him going "oot and aboot, 
eh?"
-- 

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

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#22512 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:51:53 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:

> In article <4knj39-55o.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 07:31:21 +1100, dorayme wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <569h39-e0h.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> >> ... my experience is that nowadays I
>> >> rarely hear the thick English accents portrayed by Hollywood.
>> > 
>> > Hollywood do all kinds of non yanky accents badly, they are hopeless
>> > at doing other English speaking nations, the admittedly difficult
>> > Australian, Northern England, working class Southern English accents.
>> > 
>> > They are good at Irish!
>> 
>> In the sixties/seventies we were treated to a load of Hollywood accents
>> purporting to be English but sounded more like Oz actors trying (and
>> failing) to get them right.
>> 
>> Dick van Dyke's accent in Mary Poppins was memorably bad.
> 
> I don't know if this is still noticeable or not, but in England, where
> Canadians could more easily get work permits than Americans, the British
> tv shows would hire Canadian actors for American roles. So a guy was
> supposed to be from Texas (say) and you'd hear him going "oot and aboot,
> eh?"

I suspect that might have been true of Donald Sutherland, who had quite a 
few British TV roles in the 60s.  I can't think of any other examples, 
but that doesn't mean much.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sutherland#Early_work>



-- 
Paul Sture

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#22548 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:51:53 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:

> I don't know if this is still noticeable or not, but in England, where
> Canadians could more easily get work permits than Americans, the British
> tv shows would hire Canadian actors for American roles. So a guy was
> supposed to be from Texas (say) and you'd hear him going "oot and aboot,
> eh?"

<http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/actors-actresses/90631-us-canadian-
actors-uk.html>

"Off the top of my head I can think of Shane Riimmer, David Healy, Paul 
Maxwell, ED Bishop, Libby Morris, David Holiday I was trying to think of 
that guy who played the American in that Fawlty Towers episode, think it 
was Bruce Boa.

Most of the above were used by Gerry Anderson as voice artists on his 
famous puppet shows.

Ed Bishop was Captain Blue in Captain Scarlet and, Shane Rimmer and David 
Holiday were Scott and Virgil Tracey respectively."

I've only looked up Shane Rimmer out of that lot, but he is Canadian:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Rimmer>

"Shane Rimmer is a Canadian actor and voice actor, probably best known as 
the voice of Scott Tracy in Thunderbirds."


-- 
Paul Sture

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#22514 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

In article <4knj39-55o.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> 
wrote:

> In the sixties/seventies we were treated to a load of Hollywood accents 
> purporting to be English but sounded more like Oz actors trying (and 
> failing) to get them right.

Interesting that this is how they sounded to you. Wonder where you got 
such defining characterisations?

-- 
dorayme

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#22467 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:04:01 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:

> Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze
> forst plas.

Hehe. I first saw that one in the Readers Digest in the 1960s. :-)

-- 
Paul Sture

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#22466 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:17:45 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:

> In article <4f638efb$0$2063$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>,
>  Kaiden Nediak <kaiden@easilyaddicted.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sadly what we have here is an "India" based spammer. That's how the
>> majority of them speak english. I say this being someone who works
>> pretty extensively with off-shore based companies and after hundreds of
>> them say revert when they mean reply you get a feel for their
>> "language" skills as they call it =)
> 
> Do you speak Hindi/Urdu as well as they do?
> 
> Why is it that so many English speakers in particular assume that the
> entire world should speak their language?

In India's case, after Independence in 1947 they chose English as their 
official language.  It was pragmatism; in a country with so many 
different languages and dialects, everyone who had received an education 
under British rule could speak English.

But according to the Indian neighbours I had in the late 1970s, the 
flavour of English they had been taught in India was somewhat different 
from modern British English.  When it came to letter writing it was more 
reminiscent (to me) of Victorian times.

With this particular example of "revert", I am reminded that many French 
and German native speakers use "eventually" when they mean 
"potentially",  This is easy to understand when "potentially" translates 
to French as éventuel, éventuelle, and to German as eventuell.

> Perhaps native Anglophones are the ones lacking "language" skills.

On my arrival in Switzerland with reasonably fluent French and a 
smattering of German I was accused of lying when I claimed to be 
English :-)

But your question is one I have often asked myself.  I finally came to 
the conclusion that in my own case it was the way I was taught foreign 
languages: the emphasis was firmly on the written word, grammar and 
spelling, and we did next to no conversation in classes.  The penalties 
for spelling and grammar errors were disproportionately high (often 
resulting in poor marks or a clip around the ear or worse), and this led 
to a real fear of making mistakes.  

To learn a foreign language you need to realise you will make mistakes 
and just get stuck in without worrying too much.  Folks will correct you 
and you'll learn, but if you never pluck up the courage to try, you are 
sunk.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#22470 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

In article <mp8h39-e0h.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> 
wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:17:45 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
> 
> > In article <4f638efb$0$2063$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>,
> >  Kaiden Nediak <kaiden@easilyaddicted.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Sadly what we have here is an "India" based spammer. That's how the
> >> majority of them speak english. I say this being someone who works
> >> pretty extensively with off-shore based companies and after hundreds of
> >> them say revert when they mean reply you get a feel for their
> >> "language" skills as they call it =)
> > 
> > Do you speak Hindi/Urdu as well as they do?
> > 
> > Why is it that so many English speakers in particular assume that the
> > entire world should speak their language?
> 
> In India's case, after Independence in 1947 they chose English as their 
> official language.  It was pragmatism; in a country with so many 
> different languages and dialects, everyone who had received an education 
> under British rule could speak English.
> 
> But according to the Indian neighbours I had in the late 1970s, the 
> flavour of English they had been taught in India was somewhat different 
> from modern British English.  When it came to letter writing it was more 
> reminiscent (to me) of Victorian times.
> 
> With this particular example of "revert", I am reminded that many French 
> and German native speakers use "eventually" when they mean 
> "potentially",  This is easy to understand when "potentially" translates 
> to French as éventuel, éventuelle, and to German as eventuell.

They also use "since" instead of "for". We have two forms:

I've done X for two years.
I've done X since 2010;

French/German only appear to have the one form. And it happens the other 
way around, which can be tricky depending on the situation. "Demander" 
in French means "ask". If the translator gets it wrong he'll have the 
other side "demanding" something.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#22472 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

On 2012-03-18 12:26 , Tim Streater wrote:

> They also use "since" instead of "for". We have two forms:
>
> I've done X for two years.
> I've done X since 2010;
>
> French/German only appear to have the one form. And it happens the other
> way around, which can be tricky depending on the situation. "Demander"
> in French means "ask". If the translator gets it wrong he'll have the
> other side "demanding" something.
>

In French one can say, "Je travail ici depuis 1980."
or
                        "J'ai travaillé ici pendant
                         trente ans."


-- 
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
  I said I didn't know."
                           -Samuel Clemens.

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#22478 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:26:29 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

> In article <mp8h39-e0h.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:17:45 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
>> 
>> > In article <4f638efb$0$2063$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>,
>> >  Kaiden Nediak <kaiden@easilyaddicted.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Sadly what we have here is an "India" based spammer. That's how the
>> >> majority of them speak english. I say this being someone who works
>> >> pretty extensively with off-shore based companies and after hundreds
>> >> of them say revert when they mean reply you get a feel for their
>> >> "language" skills as they call it =)
>> > 
>> > Do you speak Hindi/Urdu as well as they do?
>> > 
>> > Why is it that so many English speakers in particular assume that the
>> > entire world should speak their language?
>> 
>> In India's case, after Independence in 1947 they chose English as their
>> official language.  It was pragmatism; in a country with so many
>> different languages and dialects, everyone who had received an
>> education under British rule could speak English.
>> 
>> But according to the Indian neighbours I had in the late 1970s, the
>> flavour of English they had been taught in India was somewhat different
>> from modern British English.  When it came to letter writing it was
>> more reminiscent (to me) of Victorian times.
>> 
>> With this particular example of "revert", I am reminded that many
>> French and German native speakers use "eventually" when they mean
>> "potentially",  This is easy to understand when "potentially"
>> translates to French as éventuel, éventuelle, and to German as
>> eventuell.
> 
> They also use "since" instead of "for". We have two forms:
> 
> I've done X for two years.
> I've done X since 2010;

What I got in Holland was "How long are you here?" and at first I didn't 
know whether it was:

How long have you been here?
How long will you be here?
How long will you be here in from start to finish?

I used to answer "I've been here 3 weeks and will be here until 
Christmas." or some variation of.

> French/German only appear to have the one form.

It is further exacerbated by the fact that both French and German use the 
equivalent of "to be" to construct the past tense of "to be" and 
transitive verbs e.g. "I am been" rather than "I have been".

> And it happens the other
> way around, which can be tricky depending on the situation. "Demander"
> in French means "ask". If the translator gets it wrong he'll have the
> other side "demanding" something.

French and English can be tricky. You think you know a word because you 
recognize it, but it has a different meaning in the other language.  
Miles Kington used this to great effect in his "Let's parler Franglais" 
articles, and the better your knowledge of both languages became, the 
funnier they were.

Alors, je suis parti de la partie.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#22482 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:

> French and English can be tricky. You think you know a word because you
> recognize it, but it has a different meaning in the other language.  

Thay are called false cognates. When my wife (well, not yet then) was on
a trip to Mexico in high school, she was warned about no trying to
explain that she was "embarazada", or that was likely to exacerbate her
embarassment. "Embarazada" is Spanish for "pregnant".

-- 
Richard Maine                    | Good judgment comes from experience;
email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
domain: summertriangle           |  -- Mark Twain

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#22503 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 13:32:16 -0700, Richard Maine wrote:

> Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:
> 
>> French and English can be tricky. You think you know a word because you
>> recognize it, but it has a different meaning in the other language.
> 
> Thay are called false cognates. When my wife (well, not yet then) was on
> a trip to Mexico in high school, she was warned about no trying to
> explain that she was "embarazada", or that was likely to exacerbate her
> embarassment. "Embarazada" is Spanish for "pregnant".

A former colleague who is something of a polyglot (half a dozen 
languages, most fluent) related similar problems learning Brazilian 
Portuguese. 

-- 
Paul Sture

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#22501 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

In article <50sh39-h8j.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> 
wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:26:29 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:
> 
> > In article <mp8h39-e0h.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:17:45 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
> >> 
> >> > In article <4f638efb$0$2063$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>,
> >> >  Kaiden Nediak <kaiden@easilyaddicted.com> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >> Sadly what we have here is an "India" based spammer. That's how the
> >> >> majority of them speak english. I say this being someone who works
> >> >> pretty extensively with off-shore based companies and after hundreds
> >> >> of them say revert when they mean reply you get a feel for their
> >> >> "language" skills as they call it =)
> >> > 
> >> > Do you speak Hindi/Urdu as well as they do?
> >> > 
> >> > Why is it that so many English speakers in particular assume that the
> >> > entire world should speak their language?
> >> 
> >> In India's case, after Independence in 1947 they chose English as their
> >> official language.  It was pragmatism; in a country with so many
> >> different languages and dialects, everyone who had received an
> >> education under British rule could speak English.
> >> 
> >> But according to the Indian neighbours I had in the late 1970s, the
> >> flavour of English they had been taught in India was somewhat different
> >> from modern British English.  When it came to letter writing it was
> >> more reminiscent (to me) of Victorian times.
> >> 
> >> With this particular example of "revert", I am reminded that many
> >> French and German native speakers use "eventually" when they mean
> >> "potentially",  This is easy to understand when "potentially"
> >> translates to French as éventuel, éventuelle, and to German as
> >> eventuell.
> > 
> > They also use "since" instead of "for". We have two forms:
> > 
> > I've done X for two years.
> > I've done X since 2010;
> 
> What I got in Holland was "How long are you here?" and at first I didn't 
> know whether it was:
> 
> How long have you been here?
> How long will you be here?
> How long will you be here in from start to finish?
> 
> I used to answer "I've been here 3 weeks and will be here until 
> Christmas." or some variation of.
> 
> > French/German only appear to have the one form.
> 
> It is further exacerbated by the fact that both French and German use the 
> equivalent of "to be" to construct the past tense of "to be" and 
> transitive verbs e.g. "I am been" rather than "I have been".

"Where are you coming from" (instead of "where do you come from") is 
another favourite. SWMBO's aunt was an English teacher, so I got her 
grammar book off the shelf. English seems to have 36 tenses.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#22504 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:07:43 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

> In article <50sh39-h8j.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
> wrote:
> 
>> What I got in Holland was "How long are you here?" and at first I
>> didn't know whether it was:
>> 
>> How long have you been here?
>> How long will you be here?
>> How long will you be here in from start to finish?
>> 
> 
> "Where are you coming from" (instead of "where do you come from") is
> another favourite. SWMBO's aunt was an English teacher, so I got her
> grammar book off the shelf. English seems to have 36 tenses.

I really ought to get an English grammar book myself.  I think I knew all 
the tenses when I was at school, but I didn't realise that English even 
had a subjunctive until we came across subjunctives in French.  Yes we'd 
come across it in Latin before that, but it somehow hadn't clicked.

In my experience most folks don't consciously know the grammar rules of 
their own language, they just know what sounds right and what doesn't.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#22508 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:

> I really ought to get an English grammar book myself.  I think I knew all
> the tenses when I was at school, but I didn't realise that English even
> had a subjunctive until we came across subjunctives in French.  Yes we'd
> come across it in Latin before that, but it somehow hadn't clicked.
> 
> In my experience most folks don't consciously know the grammar rules of
> their own language, they just know what sounds right and what doesn't.

My Latin teacher told the class that English didn't have a subjunctive.
After it started clicking with me, I realized that the Latin teacher
didn't really understand the English usage herself.

I learned pretty much all of my formal English grammar in Latin class.
My subconscious speaking knowledge of English was pretty good, but I
didn't know the formalities before then, our so-called English grammar
classes having been worthless.

-- 
Richard Maine                    | Good judgment comes from experience;
email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
domain: summertriangle           |  -- Mark Twain

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#22536 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

On 03-19-2012 10:36, Richard Maine wrote:
> My Latin teacher told the class that English didn't have a subjunctive.

"If I were a rich man...."

Subjunctive

-- 
Wes Groleau

    Nobody believes a theoretical analysis — except the guy who did it.
    Everybody believes an experimental analysis — except the guy who did it.
                                  — Unknown

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#22541 — Re: incompetent headhunter spam

Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 03-19-2012 10:36, Richard Maine wrote:
> > My Latin teacher told the class that English didn't have a subjunctive.
> 
> "If I were a rich man...."
> 
> Subjunctive

Yes, I know. She didn't.

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email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
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