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| Started by | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| First post | 2018-06-05 09:03 +1200 |
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WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 09:03 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-04 17:13 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 18:17 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-04 21:38 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 23:09 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:25 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 06:41 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 13:57 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-04 23:18 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-04 23:20 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:31 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 09:33 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 16:21 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 12:35 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-06 01:25 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 21:29 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-05 21:44 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-05 22:04 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-06 14:29 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 00:42 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 01:05 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 01:16 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 18:46 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 03:22 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2018-06-06 08:45 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 12:11 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 09:22 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 12:27 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 10:35 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-06 22:20 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 12:17 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 12:27 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 12:34 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 12:40 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 10:10 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 13:33 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 14:57 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-07 03:19 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-08 09:32 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 00:45 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-09 06:45 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-07 13:49 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 20:21 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 09:23 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 17:40 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-07 01:12 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-06 16:25 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 03:19 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-06 06:37 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 03:23 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-05 18:04 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-06 01:24 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 12:41 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-05 18:03 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-04 23:31 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-04 23:39 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 00:36 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:30 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 23:15 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 18:40 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-05 00:49 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 13:31 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-05 18:36 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 15:25 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 09:33 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 23:18 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:26 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-05 08:11 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 16:19 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-05 18:00 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2018-06-05 22:32 +0200
Re: WWDC 2018 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-05 21:13 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:24 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 13:30 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 00:07 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Peter Kozlov <peter.kozlov@blacksea.design> - 2018-06-05 14:33 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 13:37 +1200
Re: WWDC 2018 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 21:44 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 22:10 -0700
Re: WWDC 2018 Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2018-06-07 12:12 +0000
Re: WWDC 2018 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-07 15:59 -0400
Re: WWDC 2018 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-08 14:00 +1200
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 00:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pf5f9m$10o$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #117035 |
On 2018-06-05 06:40:01 +0000, Your Name said: > On 2018-06-05 06:15:03 +0000, gtr said: > >> On 2018-06-05 01:57:31 +0000, Your Name said: >> >>> Unless you use properly set-up tags (highly unlikely for those who are >>> disorganised enough to litter their Desktop with files in the first >>> place), the Desktop Stacks simply group together files of the same >>> type, making it somewhat useless. You'd be better off at least making >>> your own Desktop folders to store stuff in organised how you want ... >>> or even better, put the files away in properly organised locations in >>> the first place. >> >> My wife knows the difference of these basic categories and it think it >> will work well for her. In any case my wife's level of hapless >> operation is exactly who they are aiming for: A good target. >> >>> I'm not sure you've got that correct. I haven't seen any mention of a >>> Finder "get info" panel yet. >>> >>> There is a new info panel on the *right* side of the 'Gallery' view, >>> but it only shows the meta data from media files (the video format, the >>> photo dimensions, etc.), not the actual Finder info. Potentially that >>> could eventually be expanded on to show info for other files types. >> >> I should probably be correcting my statement from "left-side" to >> "right-side" for some time to come. > > Thinking about it after posting that, the panel is not a new feature, > but it will add a bit more functionality than the info panel that > already appears in 'Column' view Finder windows shows. Because the info can be calculated in my mind while looking at several columns for several programs means more than "a bit more functionality". >> Again, I won't be making use of them. I suppose many of us routinely >> become good and routine enhanscements of what the OS has offered us >> over the years, so these various "aids" are really so really a slight >> shift of context. > > Apple keeps adding these gimmicks mostly that few people will ever use, > which just adds extra complexity... You don't know what people will eventually use and those they will reject, and neither do I.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-06 13:31 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <pf7dhi$5mv$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #117039 |
On 2018-06-05 07:49:10 +0000, gtr said: > On 2018-06-05 06:40:01 +0000, Your Name said: >> On 2018-06-05 06:15:03 +0000, gtr said: >>> On 2018-06-05 01:57:31 +0000, Your Name said: >>>> >>>> Unless you use properly set-up tags (highly unlikely for those who are >>>> disorganised enough to litter their Desktop with files in the first >>>> place), the Desktop Stacks simply group together files of the same >>>> type, making it somewhat useless. You'd be better off at least making >>>> your own Desktop folders to store stuff in organised how you want ... >>>> or even better, put the files away in properly organised locations in >>>> the first place. >>> >>> My wife knows the difference of these basic categories and it think it >>> will work well for her. In any case my wife's level of hapless >>> operation is exactly who they are aiming for: A good target. >>> >>>> I'm not sure you've got that correct. I haven't seen any mention of a >>>> Finder "get info" panel yet. >>>> >>>> There is a new info panel on the *right* side of the 'Gallery' view, >>>> but it only shows the meta data from media files (the video format, the >>>> photo dimensions, etc.), not the actual Finder info. Potentially that >>>> could eventually be expanded on to show info for other files types. >>> >>> I should probably be correcting my statement from "left-side" to >>> "right-side" for some time to come. >> >> Thinking about it after posting that, the panel is not a new feature, >> but it will add a bit more functionality than the info panel that >> already appears in 'Column' view Finder windows shows. > > Because the info can be calculated in my mind while looking at several > columns for several programs means more than "a bit more functionality". From what I've seen, the new info panel is part of the Finder's "Gallery View" (ex-Cover Flow) and it only shows the meta-data information for the current file, not a group of files. >>> Again, I won't be making use of them. I suppose many of us routinely >>> become good and routine enhanscements of what the OS has offered us >>> over the years, so these various "aids" are really so really a slight >>> shift of context. >> >> Apple keeps adding these gimmicks mostly that few people will ever use, >> which just adds extra complexity... > > You don't know what people will eventually use and those they will > reject, and neither do I. I don't *know*, but my past guesses have proven to be mostly correct for real-world (non-geeky) users. Apple needs to fix the existing problems, not add more useless fluff.
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 18:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pf7dr6$hso$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #117092 |
On 2018-06-06 01:31:33 +0000, Your Name said: >>>> Again, I won't be making use of them. I suppose many of us routinely >>>> become good and routine enhanscements of what the OS has offered us >>>> over the years, so these various "aids" are really so really a slight >>>> shift of context. >>> >>> Apple keeps adding these gimmicks mostly that few people will ever use, >>> which just adds extra complexity... >> >> You don't know what people will eventually use and those they will >> reject, and neither do I. > > I don't *know*, but my past guesses have proven to be mostly correct > for real-world (non-geeky) users. > > Apple needs to fix the existing problems, not add more useless fluff. So you're perspective on marketing is that novelty doesn't beckon, only utility does? I disagree.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-06 15:25 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <pf7k85$du4$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #117093 |
On 2018-06-06 01:36:38 +0000, gtr said: > On 2018-06-06 01:31:33 +0000, Your Name said: >>>>> >>>>> Again, I won't be making use of them. I suppose many of us routinely >>>>> become good and routine enhanscements of what the OS has offered us >>>>> over the years, so these various "aids" are really so really a slight >>>>> shift of context. >>>> >>>> Apple keeps adding these gimmicks mostly that few people will ever use, >>>> which just adds extra complexity... >>> >>> You don't know what people will eventually use and those they will >>> reject, and neither do I. >> >> I don't *know*, but my past guesses have proven to be mostly correct >> for real-world (non-geeky) users. >> >> Apple needs to fix the existing problems, not add more useless fluff. > > So you're perspective on marketing is that novelty doesn't beckon, only > utility does? I disagree. Nope. My "perspective" is that the OS should work properly before adding extra, mostly unnecessary, features. There are bugs in OS X that have never been fixed. There are actual useful features that have been removed.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 09:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <050620180933503075%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #117035 |
In article <pf5b81$f9k$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > Apple keeps adding these gimmicks mostly that few people will ever use, > which just adds extra complexity (so you'll have to buy a new faster > computer) and bug opportunities ... nonsense. > and they remove or tweak existing > features into near uselessness (for example the coloured tags where > much more visible when the whole filename was highlighted, rather than > just a silly little dot). except that you can now have *multiple* tags per file, so a single colour for the whole filename won't work. > They also still haven't fixed some of the glitches and bugs that have > existed in the OS for many versions. that part is true.
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2018-06-04 23:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pf59vk$c6b$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #117020 |
Another few things I noted: Seems they want the ATV to be the "cable box of the future" for streaming users. It's a wide open field for them. Roku is no competition, and it seems to be an expanding market. Quite a number of people I encounter have no dish/cable access and to nothing but streaming/Netflix. Also I've slowly come to depend on Feedly because news is no longer a NYT in the morning/CBS news at night process it once was. I feel the need to review breaking news 4-5 times a day to find out what balls-to-the-wall lunacy has popped up during the day. The seem to be expanding the RSS newsfeed mechanism that others in recent years have abandoned. I find this expansion interesting.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 10:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnphcpba.1e03.g.kreme@Snow.local> |
| In reply to | #117034 |
In message <pf59vk$c6b$1@news.albasani.net> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > Another few things I noted: Seems they want the ATV to be the "cable > box of the future" for streaming users. It's a wide open field for > them. Roku is no competition, and it seems to be an expanding market. Roku certainly is competition, they have a *huge* install base and their product is good. -- Heisenberg's only uncertainty was what pub to vomit in next and Jung fancied Freud's mother too. -- Jared Earle
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| From | gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 08:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pf697s$2p2$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #117057 |
On 2018-06-05 10:26:50 +0000, Lewis said: > In message <pf59vk$c6b$1@news.albasani.net> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: >> Another few things I noted: Seems they want the ATV to be the "cable >> box of the future" for streaming users. It's a wide open field for >> them. Roku is no competition, and it seems to be an expanding market. > > Roku certainly is competition, they have a *huge* install base and their > product is good. Right you are. It seems that Roku, along with Amazon Fire, Fire Stick and even Chromecast had higher market share than ATV last summer. I forgot the others even existed in my Apple bubble, I suppose. I have had a Roku box for 4 or 5 years and think it sucks, so I guess that's my limited viewpoint.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 16:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnphde06.2nid.g.kreme@Snow.local> |
| In reply to | #117072 |
In message <pf697s$2p2$1@news.albasani.net> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > On 2018-06-05 10:26:50 +0000, Lewis said: >> In message <pf59vk$c6b$1@news.albasani.net> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: >>> Another few things I noted: Seems they want the ATV to be the "cable >>> box of the future" for streaming users. It's a wide open field for >>> them. Roku is no competition, and it seems to be an expanding market. >> >> Roku certainly is competition, they have a *huge* install base and their >> product is good. > Right you are. It seems that Roku, along with Amazon Fire, Fire Stick > and even Chromecast had higher market share than ATV last summer. I > forgot the others even existed in my Apple bubble, I suppose. I have > had a Roku box for 4 or 5 years and think it sucks, so I guess that's > my limited viewpoint. I have three Roku if you count the one built in to my TV, but I don't use any of them. I agree with you that it sucks, compared to the AppleTV. If there were no AppleTV, the Roku would be head and shoulders the best. A lot of people don't value good design and look only at price. Hell, there are people in my family who love the Roku primarily because it is cheaper than the AppleTV. -- When the chips are down, the buffalo's empty.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 18:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fno1d6Flo7hU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #117034 |
On 2018-06-05, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > Another few things I noted: Seems they want the ATV to be the "cable > box of the future" for streaming users. It's a wide open field for > them. Roku is no competition, and it seems to be an expanding market. > Quite a number of people I encounter have no dish/cable access and to > nothing but streaming/Netflix. We haven't had cable since 2004 or so. We never looked back. Good riddance. We just recently got rid of Netflix after their latest price hike. Not missing it either. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 22:32 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lk8jue-cp5.ln1@news2.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #117078 |
On 2018-06-05, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> We haven't had cable since 2004 or so. We never looked back. Good
> riddance. We just recently got rid of Netflix after their latest price
> hike. Not missing it either.
I'm looking at available options here. What was your replacement for
Internet access?
--
Nothing stinks like a pile of unpublished writing.
-- Sylvia Plath
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 21:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <fnoco4Foe6pU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #117084 |
On 2018-06-05, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > On 2018-06-05, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >> We haven't had cable since 2004 or so. We never looked back. Good >> riddance. We just recently got rid of Netflix after their latest price >> hike. Not missing it either. > > I'm looking at available options here. What was your replacement for > Internet access? We didn't see a need to replace internet access. So we're still using Comcast here for net access. Most competitors around here aren't very competitive in price or value anyway. So we have the lowest tier business internet plan with our own Motorola Surfboard cable modem, and no television or telephone plan at all. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 10:24 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnphcp61.1e03.g.kreme@Snow.local> |
| In reply to | #117020 |
In message <pf4oan$pv3$1@news.albasani.net> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > On 2018-06-04 21:13:04 +0000, nospam said: >> In article <pf49f2$vgv$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name >> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: >> >>> As predicted, no new hardware announcements, just tweaks to the various >>> OSes, mainly useless garbage like "Desktop Stacks" and trying to rework >>> Quick Look into being a Preview replacement. :-\ >> >> as predicted, more ignorant comments. > I for one am very interested in *most* of what was offered in the OS > changes. And what a boatload of eye-candy! I could care less about > icons and animated icons and all that stuff, but I know that such > frippery has legions of fans. Stacks on the desktop is really nice. Dark mode is loverly. Quicklook is much more capable, the preview pane is finally useful, and Siri controls my HomeKit devices. > I thought the group facetime stuff was very cool, and again think it > will draw in plenty of users--the kind of people who love this sort of > stuff. I have an iPhone as does my wife and all my friends; none of us > use facetime to my knowledge. Still I wouldn't be shocked to find I'm > using it in a few years. I have only used Facetime to talk to my wife/kids when I was away for a week, which nearly never happens. However, when we upgrade to iPhones X this fall, I am sure we will be using animoji/Memoji facetime. I will definitely be using them in iMessages. > I wonder if the intent is to draw away users from the competition > (android, others) with all these extraordinary bells and whistles. > There are a *lot* of bells and whistles! > Desktop stacks may well be garbage for "Your Name" and of little use to > me, since I keep my desktop well organized. But it will be a > *dramatic* way for my wife to understand her haphazard world, and for > me to periodically sort it out for her. Even with a well organized desktop, which I have, the stacks are useful. I no longer need to put temporary images into a folder for neatness sake, i can just have a stack. It's great. the UI is little clunky, but part of that might be that my beta computer doesn't have a trackpad. -- 'I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people,' said the man [Vetinari]. 'You are wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides.'
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 13:30 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <pf4p2l$1l43$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #117009 |
On 2018-06-04 21:03:32 +0000, Your Name said:
> As predicted, no new hardware announcements, just tweaks to the various
> OSes, mainly useless garbage like "Desktop Stacks" and trying to rework
> Quick Look into being a Preview replacement. :-\
For those who want to know what was announced, and don't already:
Apple Special Event. June 4, 2018.
(includes full 2+ hour keynote video)
https://www.apple.com/apple-events/june-2018/
or the briefer:
Everything Apple Announced at WWDC 2018 in Six Minutes
https://youtu.be/m4DQvESz6ZQ
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 00:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ade2270c-b655-413c-b632-c6571e3cce04@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #117023 |
On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 6:30:03 PM UTC-7, Your Name wrote: > On 2018-06-04 21:03:32 +0000, Your Name said: > > > As predicted, no new hardware announcements, just tweaks to the various > > OSes, mainly useless garbage like "Desktop Stacks" and trying to rework > > Quick Look into being a Preview replacement. :-\ > > For those who want to know what was announced, and don't already: > > Apple Special Event. June 4, 2018. > (includes full 2+ hour keynote video) > https://www.apple.com/apple-events/june-2018/ > > or the briefer: > > Everything Apple Announced at WWDC 2018 in Six Minutes > https://youtu.be/m4DQvESz6ZQ You're like a pregnant woman hiding behind a very skinny tree. We all see you there and thinking you are being clever. And you're so stupid you keep denying it. Gee, imagine Steve Petruzzellis trying to pin his crap on Jonas Eklundh and me, no one has ever seen that before. You can say I am Madonna for all I care. -- What Every Entrepreneur Must Know!! http://www.5z8.info/open.exe_f2s2ea_nazi http://www.5z8.info/open.exe_f2s2ea_nazi https://youtu.be/HMx0RyzbPgQ Jonas Eklundh Communication AB
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| From | Peter Kozlov <peter.kozlov@blacksea.design> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 14:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.20C7390D0015F8C87000019B82CF@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #117009 |
On Jun 4, 2018, Your Name wrote (in article <pf49f2$vgv$1@gioia.aioe.org>): > > As predicted, no new hardware announcements, just tweaks to the various > OSes, mainly useless garbage like "Desktop Stacks" and trying to rework > Quick Look into being a Preview replacement. :-\ I thought it was pretty good. I haven’t finished watching all of it, but so far so good. Bringing News and other iOS like apps to OSX is one of the items I’ve been hoping for. I like the Dark Mode a lot. External GPU sounds pretty ideal to me. I’ll be getting one of those for sure. Peter Kozlov
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-06 13:37 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <pf7dtg$66d$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #117088 |
On 2018-06-05 21:33:01 +0000, Peter Kozlov said: > On Jun 4, 2018, Your Name wrote > (in article <pf49f2$vgv$1@gioia.aioe.org>): >> >> As predicted, no new hardware announcements, just tweaks to the various >> OSes, mainly useless garbage like "Desktop Stacks" and trying to rework >> Quick Look into being a Preview replacement. :-\ > > I thought it was pretty good. I haven't finished watching all of it, but so > far so good. Bringing News and other iOS like apps to OSX is one of the items > I've been hoping for. Yep, so even more people can ignore the silly 'Stocks' app. :-\ Porting iOS apps to the macOS is up to the individual developers. According to an article in today's newspaper, some developer's who currently produce app versions for both OSes believe it will almost halve their developement time / costs ... doubtful, but it remains to be seen exactly how it is implemented (and how well it works - touchscreen interfaces using a mouse is never a good idea). > I like the Dark Mode a lot. External GPU sounds pretty ideal to me. > I'll be getting one of those for sure. "Dark Mode" is already available (if not the default) on many 'pro' apps.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 21:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <050620182144333828%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #117094 |
In article <pf7dtg$66d$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > I thought it was pretty good. I haven't finished watching all of it, but so > > far so good. Bringing News and other iOS like apps to OSX is one of the > > items I've been hoping for. > > Yep, so even more people can ignore the silly 'Stocks' app. :-\ those who aren't deadbeats don't find it silly. > Porting iOS apps to the macOS is up to the individual developers. > According to an article in today's newspaper, some developer's who > currently produce app versions for both OSes believe it will almost > halve their developement time / costs ... doubtful, but it remains to > be seen exactly how it is implemented (and how well it works - > touchscreen interfaces using a mouse is never a good idea). actually, half the time is a very good estimate since developers only need to write one app and tweak it for each platform, versus two entirely separate apps.
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| From | Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2018-06-05 22:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <18f76ada-05db-4a07-80c4-8d80635d1c1d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #117088 |
On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 2:33:03 PM UTC-7, Peter Kozlov wrote: > On Jun 4, 2018, Your Name wrote > (in article <pf49f2$vgv$1@gioia.aioe.org>): > > > > > As predicted, no new hardware announcements, just tweaks to the various > > OSes, mainly useless garbage like "Desktop Stacks" and trying to rework > > Quick Look into being a Preview replacement. :-\ > > I thought it was pretty good. I haven’t finished watching all of it, but so > far so good. Bringing News and other iOS like apps to OSX is one of the items > I’ve been hoping for. I like the Dark Mode a lot. External GPU sounds > pretty ideal to me. I’ll be getting one of those for sure. > > Peter Kozlov I'm not annoyed, he wants me to be but I am in stitches because Larry Washington's crap is so absurd. He purposefully didn't mention all the tasks that he would soon poo poo... and we all know why. At least he has trolls in his corner. This forum is a leaking porta potty. Can you get Jonas Eklundh to agree? ChromeOS is based on Linux. No debate. Gee, imagine Larry Washington trying to pin his nonsense on Jonas Eklundh and me, no one has ever seen that before < @_@ >. Larry Washington is the result of the fact that Trotskyites have been employed to subvert teaching our youth. It's not mere happenstance that he is an idiotic Russian sympathizer. In spite of my views about Mint, I nonetheless continue to use it for users who've had trouble with Windows, particularly if I have seen that they're not good at running multiple programs and sending / receiving emails. -- Puppy Videos http://www.5z8.info/mercenary_w5v9dl_open.exe Jonas Eklundh Communication
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| From | Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> |
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| Date | 2018-06-07 12:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnphi89q.uan.invalid@macbook-pro.local> |
| In reply to | #117009 |
On 2018-06-04, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > As predicted, no new hardware announcements, just tweaks to the various > OSes, mainly useless garbage like "Desktop Stacks" and trying to rework > Quick Look into being a Preview replacement. :-\ In other news: DVD Player is updated to 64 bits and is still included in Mojave. Nice surprise, I was expecting they remove it (yes, I still buy and watch DVDs). <https://twitter.com/realmrpippy/status/1004063013131804672> -- Chemical engineers do it in packed beds.
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