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Tim Cook just literally said his customer is unfathomably stupid!

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#120591

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-15 00:07 +0000
Message-ID	<q1j87q$ltk$3@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120561

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 13:39:41 -0500, nospam wrote:

> apps can also be distributed outside the app store, it's just not a
> popular method.

*You Apologists always brazenly fabricate imaginary iOS functionality.*
So let's _check_ you on your facts with respect to "privacy".

On Android, I've uploaded a score of (simple) custom apps.
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9700091custom01.jpg>

Google doesn't know a thing about it.
o I downloaded the IDE software without telling Google who I was
o I use the IDE software without telling Google who I am
o I side loaded the apps to my phone without telling Google who I am

Now, Jolly Roger, tell me, ahem, tell us all please....

How are you going to do something even as simple as _that_
without the privacy implication of having to inform Apple of your AppleID?

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#120595

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2019-01-14 19:16 -0500
Message-ID	<140120191916361903%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#120591

In article <q1j87q$ltk$3@news.mixmin.net>, arlen holder
<arlen@arlen.com> wrote:

> 
> > apps can also be distributed outside the app store, it's just not a
> > popular method.
> 
> *You Apologists always brazenly fabricate imaginary iOS functionality.*
> So let's _check_ you on your facts with respect to "privacy".

that's easily checked at the source, apple.

> On Android, I've uploaded a score of (simple) custom apps.
>  <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9700091custom01.jpg>

for someone as ocd as you, how can you survive with those names?

> Google doesn't know a thing about it.
> o I downloaded the IDE software without telling Google who I was
> o I use the IDE software without telling Google who I am
> o I side loaded the apps to my phone without telling Google who I am

same for ios.



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fix that shit

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#120602

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-15 01:49 +0000
Message-ID	<q1je6t$uq8$2@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120595

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:16:36 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> Google doesn't know a thing about it.
>> o I downloaded the IDE software without telling Google who I was
>> o I use the IDE software without telling Google who I am
>> o I side loaded the apps to my phone without telling Google who I am
> 
> same for ios.

Hi nospam,
You Apologists can't even keep your lies straight, nospam.
Seriously.

Do you remember these are your very words?
  "everyone who uses an ios device already has an apple id, 
   just as those who use an android device has a google id. "

Those words are from YOU, nospam, when you _admitted_ that 
you _must_ provide Apple with an Apple ID just to DOWNLOAD the IDE, for
Christs' sake.
(And oh, you're an idiot, too, as Android does NOT require a Google ID.)

And then, you said these very words, did you not, nospam?
  "although it's possible to use either without that, it's a significant 
   hassle with zero benefit and substantial drawbacks."

Those are your very words, are they not, nospam?
And these too, are they not?
  "however, for those overwhelmed with fear and paranoia, 
   create an apple id using a fake name. "

The point is, nospam:
o You and Jolly Roger incessantly fabricate imaginary iOS functionality
o You don't even get the Android functionality correct (you're that stupid)
o Just _downloading_ the iOS IDE has you lose privacy (Android doesn't)

The point is that there are so many examples where iOS users have 
*far less privacy* than do Android users, that anyone who says that 
they have "more privacy" had better use facts, and not idiotic religious
dogma.

The fact you & Jolly Roger can't every speak facts, speaks worlds already.
Facts have absolutely no place to fit into your (religious) belief system.

The fact is, iOS has _plenty_ of situations where the privacy is far worse
than that of Android, and iOS has far fewer privacy enhancing utilities,
and yet, since there are plenty of global privacy leaking attributes of
_all_ common consumer mobile phones, I'll be charitable to iOS by saying
that the privacy between the two platforms is "about the same".

Everything depends on how much you weigh each of the facts, where I already
presented at least a dozen situations where Android privacy is far better
than that of iOS.

That you think otherwise is merely because you're never beholden to fact.
And yet, EVERY one of your rebuttals is easily refuted WITH FACTS.

I've been studying you Apologists for a very long time, simply because
you Apologists are not at all like normal adults are.

You see, nospam, the biggest weakness of all Apologists - is FACT.

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#120603

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-14 18:20 -0800
Message-ID	<q1jg19$o7n$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120602

On 2019-01-14 5:49 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:16:36 -0500, nospam wrote:
> 
>>> Google doesn't know a thing about it.
>>> o I downloaded the IDE software without telling Google who I was
>>> o I use the IDE software without telling Google who I am
>>> o I side loaded the apps to my phone without telling Google who I am
>>
>> same for ios.
> 
> Hi nospam,
> You Apologists can't even keep your lies straight, nospam.
> Seriously.
> 
> Do you remember these are your very words?
>    "everyone who uses an ios device already has an apple id,
>     just as those who use an android device has a google id. "
> 
> Those words are from YOU, nospam, when you _admitted_ that
> you _must_ provide Apple with an Apple ID just to DOWNLOAD the IDE, for
> Christs' sake.
> (And oh, you're an idiot, too, as Android does NOT require a Google ID.)

And what does it matter if you need an Apple ID, twit boy?

> 
> And then, you said these very words, did you not, nospam?
>    "although it's possible to use either without that, it's a significant
>     hassle with zero benefit and substantial drawbacks."
> 
> Those are your very words, are they not, nospam?
> And these too, are they not?
>    "however, for those overwhelmed with fear and paranoia,
>     create an apple id using a fake name. "
> 
> The point is, nospam:
> o You and Jolly Roger incessantly fabricate imaginary iOS functionality
> o You don't even get the Android functionality correct (you're that stupid)
> o Just _downloading_ the iOS IDE has you lose privacy (Android doesn't)

No. Creating an Apple ID doesn't cost you any privacy.

> 
> The point is that there are so many examples where iOS users have
> *far less privacy* than do Android users, that anyone who says that
> they have "more privacy" had better use facts, and not idiotic religious
> dogma.

And yet you've provided no examples...

> 
> The fact you & Jolly Roger can't every speak facts, speaks worlds already.
> Facts have absolutely no place to fit into your (religious) belief system.
> 
> The fact is, iOS has _plenty_ of situations where the privacy is far worse
> than that of Android, and iOS has far fewer privacy enhancing utilities,
> and yet, since there are plenty of global privacy leaking attributes of
> _all_ common consumer mobile phones, I'll be charitable to iOS by saying
> that the privacy between the two platforms is "about the same".

And what are some of these situations?

> 
> Everything depends on how much you weigh each of the facts, where I already
> presented at least a dozen situations where Android privacy is far better
> than that of iOS.

No. You really haven't.

> 
> That you think otherwise is merely because you're never beholden to fact.
> And yet, EVERY one of your rebuttals is easily refuted WITH FACTS.
> 
> I've been studying you Apologists for a very long time, simply because
> you Apologists are not at all like normal adults are.
> 
> You see, nospam, the biggest weakness of all Apologists - is FACT.
> 
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#120636

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-15 18:03 +0000
Message-ID	<q1l7a9$hif$6@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120603

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 18:20:28 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

> And what does it matter if you need an Apple ID, twit boy?

I love your fifth-grade vocabulary Alan Baker.

I don't ever have to prove you own the mind of a child, Alan Baker.
Everything you post proves that for me.

> No. Creating an Apple ID doesn't cost you any privacy.

You Apple Apologists, Alan Baker, prove to own the mind of a child.
No amount of fact will shake you from your religiously held beliefs.

Worse, Alan Baker, is that you have ZERO facts to back up your claims.

You iOS Apologists consistently...
o Prove to be children in _everything_ you post, and, 
o You prove to hold strong religious-like convictions
o And yet, you can't provide a single fact to back up any of your claims

HINT: Why do you _think_ Apple REQUIRES that Apple ID, Alan Baker?
DOUBLEHINT: What do you think happens to EVERY APP Alan Baker?

What's amazing about you iOS apologists is that you're incredibly ignorant,
and yet, you continually hold very strong dogmatic beliefs.

Your mind is not that of a  adult, Alan Baker.
Your mind is that of a child, Alan Baker.

> And yet you've provided no examples...

Hehhehheh ... the biggest weakness of all Apolostists ... are facts.
You are no exception in your allergic response to facts, Alan Baker.

I provided _plenty_ of examples here, Alan Baker:
o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/FCKRA_3i9CY>
o What was the YouTube example, Alan Baker?
o What was the AddressToGPS example, Alan Baker?
o What was the IDE sideloading example, Alan Baker?
o On iOS you _must_ have an Apple ID - you don't need it on Android
o On iOS you _must_ have all your apps tagged - none need it on Android
o On iOS you _must_ have an ADVERTISING ID - you don't need it on Android
o On iOS, you don't even have the sanctioned Tor browser for heavens' sake
o On iOS, you don't can't download an app to find hidden or miscreant IMSIs, Cameras, APs, etc.
etc.

HINT: All those privacy enhancements are easily obtained, for free, on
Android, while NONE of those privacy enhancements are available on iOS.

Do you dispute those facts, Alan Baker?
On what factual grounds do you dispute each and every one of those facts?

I realize you're allergic to clicking on factual links, Alan Baker.
That's because all you have are nonsensical religious convictions.

You're a child, Alan Baker. 
A little sniveling whiny idiotic ignorant child.

I don't have to prove that, Alan Baker.
You prove you own the mind of a child by what you post, Alan Baker.

Facts don't fit in your religiously held imaginary belief system.

The fact is that there are PLENTY of privacy-leaking apps on iOS that you
just can't avoid, while all the examples above show that, on Android, you
can avoid them and still have the desired funcdtionality.

I realize you're a child, Alan Baker.
Hence, I realize those facts will be lost on you Alan Baker.

But the fact you can't comprehend facts doesn't make facts not facts.

> And what are some of these situations?
o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/FCKRA_3i9CY>
o What was the YouTube example, Alan Baker?
o What was the AddressToGPS example, Alan Baker?
o What was the IDE sideloading example, Alan Baker?
o On iOS you _must_ have an Apple ID - you don't need it on Android
o On iOS you _must_ have all your apps tagged - none need it on Android
o On iOS you _must_ have an ADVERTISING ID - you don't need it on Android
o On iOS, you don't even have the sanctioned Tor browser for heavens' sake
o On iOS, you don't can't download an app to find hidden or miscreant IMSIs, Cameras, APs, etc.
etc.

HINT: All those privacy enhancements are easily obtained, for free, on
Android, while NONE of those privacy enhancements are available on iOS.

Do you dispute those facts, Alan Baker?
On what factual grounds do you dispute each and every one of those facts?

> 
>> 
>> Everything depends on how much you weigh each of the facts, where I already
>> presented at least a dozen situations where Android privacy is far better
>> than that of iOS.
> 
> No. You really haven't.

I realize you, Alan Baker, simply dismiss, out of hand, actual facts.
And yet, you, Alan Baker, _never_ provide any facts to back up your claims.

I also realize, Alan Baker, you don't even _click_ on the links provided.
To you, Alan Baker, facts are for adults - not for children like you.

However, the fact that you, Alan Baker, own the mind of a child
doesn't change that the facts we provided are valid facts.

The fact you Apologists hold on to a religious belief system 
doesn't change that facts are still facts.

It just means Apologists, like you, Alan Baker, own the mind of a child.

o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/FCKRA_3i9CY>
o What was the YouTube example, Alan Baker?
o What was the AddressToGPS example, Alan Baker?
o What was the IDE sideloading example, Alan Baker?
o On iOS you _must_ have an Apple ID - you don't need it on Android
o On iOS you _must_ have all your apps tagged - none need it on Android
o On iOS you _must_ have an ADVERTISING ID - you don't need it on Android
o On iOS, you don't even have the sanctioned Tor browser for heavens' sake
o On iOS, you don't can't download an app to find hidden or miscreant IMSIs, Cameras, APs, etc.
etc.

HINT: All those privacy enhancements are easily obtained, for free, on
Android, while NONE of those privacy enhancements are available on iOS.

Do you dispute those facts, Alan Baker?
On what factual grounds do you dispute each and every one of those facts?

HINT: I've studied you Apologists for years - facts are your greatest
weakness simply because your entire belief system is purely religious.

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#120642

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-15 11:13 -0800
Message-ID	<q1lbci$1dpl$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120636

On 2019-01-15 10:03 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 18:20:28 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:
> 
>> And what does it matter if you need an Apple ID, twit boy?
> 
> I love your fifth-grade vocabulary Alan Baker.

Which word is "fifth-grade", "Arlen".

Note the proper usage of the comma in my sentence in contrast with 
yours, twit boy.

> 
> I don't ever have to prove you own the mind of a child, Alan Baker.
> Everything you post proves that for me.
>   
>> No. Creating an Apple ID doesn't cost you any privacy.
> 
> You Apple Apologists, Alan Baker, prove to own the mind of a child.
> No amount of fact will shake you from your religiously held beliefs.
> 
> Worse, Alan Baker, is that you have ZERO facts to back up your claims.

It's your claim, "Arlen". Support it.

What privacy is given up?

> 
> You iOS Apologists consistently...
> o Prove to be children in _everything_ you post, and,
> o You prove to hold strong religious-like convictions
> o And yet, you can't provide a single fact to back up any of your claims
> 
> HINT: Why do you _think_ Apple REQUIRES that Apple ID, Alan Baker?
> DOUBLEHINT: What do you think happens to EVERY APP Alan Baker?

Question: how does Apple requiring an AppleID...

Where you can make up every detail contained therein.

...in any way impact one's privacy.

> 
> What's amazing about you iOS apologists is that you're incredibly ignorant,
> and yet, you continually hold very strong dogmatic beliefs.
> 
> Your mind is not that of a  adult, Alan Baker.
> Your mind is that of a child, Alan Baker.
> 
>> And yet you've provided no examples...

You're the one who needs to provide the examples to support your claim.

> 
> Hehhehheh ... the biggest weakness of all Apolostists ... are facts.
> You are no exception in your allergic response to facts, Alan Baker.
> 
> I provided _plenty_ of examples here, Alan Baker:
> o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems?
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/FCKRA_3i9CY>
> o What was the YouTube example, Alan Baker?

That's not an example.

> o What was the AddressToGPS example, Alan Baker?

Nor is that.

> o What was the IDE sideloading example, Alan Baker?

Nor that.

> o On iOS you _must_ have an Apple ID - you don't need it on Android

But you can make up anything you like for that ID.

> o On iOS you _must_ have all your apps tagged - none need it on Android

But you can make up your AppleID, so...

> o On iOS you _must_ have an ADVERTISING ID - you don't need it on Android
> o On iOS, you don't even have the sanctioned Tor browser for heavens' sake

What in the world is the "sanctioned browser"? Sanctioned by whom, twit boy?

> o On iOS, you don't can't download an app to find hidden or miscreant IMSIs, Cameras, APs, etc.
> etc.

No. You have a whole app store system dedicated to weeding them out 
before you ever get to them.

> 
> HINT: All those privacy enhancements are easily obtained, for free, on
> Android, while NONE of those privacy enhancements are available on iOS.
> 
> Do you dispute those facts, Alan Baker?

You haven't presented facts.

You've presented ASSERTIONS without offering any proof.

> On what factual grounds do you dispute each and every one of those facts?
> 
> I realize you're allergic to clicking on factual links, Alan Baker.
> That's because all you have are nonsensical religious convictions.
> 
> You're a child, Alan Baker.
> A little sniveling whiny idiotic ignorant child.
> 
> I don't have to prove that, Alan Baker.
> You prove you own the mind of a child by what you post, Alan Baker.
> 
> Facts don't fit in your religiously held imaginary belief system.
> 
> The fact is that there are PLENTY of privacy-leaking apps on iOS that you
> just can't avoid, while all the examples above show that, on Android, you
> can avoid them and still have the desired funcdtionality.
> 
> I realize you're a child, Alan Baker.
> Hence, I realize those facts will be lost on you Alan Baker.
> 
> But the fact you can't comprehend facts doesn't make facts not facts.
> 
>> And what are some of these situations?
> o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems?
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/FCKRA_3i9CY>
> o What was the YouTube example, Alan Baker?
> o What was the AddressToGPS example, Alan Baker?
> o What was the IDE sideloading example, Alan Baker?
> o On iOS you _must_ have an Apple ID - you don't need it on Android
> o On iOS you _must_ have all your apps tagged - none need it on Android
> o On iOS you _must_ have an ADVERTISING ID - you don't need it on Android
> o On iOS, you don't even have the sanctioned Tor browser for heavens' sake
> o On iOS, you don't can't download an app to find hidden or miscreant IMSIs, Cameras, APs, etc.
> etc.
> 
> HINT: All those privacy enhancements are easily obtained, for free, on
> Android, while NONE of those privacy enhancements are available on iOS.
> 
> Do you dispute those facts, Alan Baker?
> On what factual grounds do you dispute each and every one of those facts?

You said all that again...

> 
>>
>>>
>>> Everything depends on how much you weigh each of the facts, where I already
>>> presented at least a dozen situations where Android privacy is far better
>>> than that of iOS.
>>
>> No. You really haven't.
> 
> I realize you, Alan Baker, simply dismiss, out of hand, actual facts.
> And yet, you, Alan Baker, _never_ provide any facts to back up your claims.
> 
> I also realize, Alan Baker, you don't even _click_ on the links provided.
> To you, Alan Baker, facts are for adults - not for children like you.
> 
> However, the fact that you, Alan Baker, own the mind of a child
> doesn't change that the facts we provided are valid facts.
> 
> The fact you Apologists hold on to a religious belief system
> doesn't change that facts are still facts.
> 
> It just means Apologists, like you, Alan Baker, own the mind of a child.
> 
> o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems?
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/FCKRA_3i9CY>
> o What was the YouTube example, Alan Baker?
> o What was the AddressToGPS example, Alan Baker?
> o What was the IDE sideloading example, Alan Baker?
> o On iOS you _must_ have an Apple ID - you don't need it on Android
> o On iOS you _must_ have all your apps tagged - none need it on Android
> o On iOS you _must_ have an ADVERTISING ID - you don't need it on Android
> o On iOS, you don't even have the sanctioned Tor browser for heavens' sake
> o On iOS, you don't can't download an app to find hidden or miscreant IMSIs, Cameras, APs, etc.
> etc.
> 
> HINT: All those privacy enhancements are easily obtained, for free, on
> Android, while NONE of those privacy enhancements are available on iOS.
> 
> Do you dispute those facts, Alan Baker?
> On what factual grounds do you dispute each and every one of those facts?

And a third time.

> 
> HINT: I've studied you Apologists for years - facts are your greatest
> weakness simply because your entire belief system is purely religious.

Says the man who comes off like a zealot with every post.

:-)

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#120607

From	Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com>
Date	2019-01-15 05:12 -0500
Message-ID	<0001HW.D8631C44048E70DBB02919BF@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#120602

On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:49:18 -0500, arlen holder wrote
(in article <q1je6t$uq8$2@news.mixmin.net>):

> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:16:36 -0500, nospam wrote:
> 
>>> Google doesn't know a thing about it.
>>> o I downloaded the IDE software without telling Google who I was
>>> o I use the IDE software without telling Google who I am
>>> o I side loaded the apps to my phone without telling Google who I am
>> 
>> same for ios.
> 
> Hi nospam,
> You Apologists can't even keep your lies straight, nospam.
> Seriously.
> 
> Do you remember these are your very words?
>   "everyone who uses an ios device already has an apple id, 
>    just as those who use an android device has a google id. "
> 
> Those words are from YOU, nospam, when you _admitted_ that 
> you _must_ provide Apple with an Apple ID just to DOWNLOAD the IDE, for
> Christs' sake.
> (And oh, you're an idiot, too, as Android does NOT require a Google ID.)
> 
> And then, you said these very words, did you not, nospam?
>   "although it's possible to use either without that, it's a significant 
>    hassle with zero benefit and substantial drawbacks."
> 
> Those are your very words, are they not, nospam?
> And these too, are they not?
>   "however, for those overwhelmed with fear and paranoia, 
>    create an apple id using a fake name. "
> 
> The point is, nospam:
> o You and Jolly Roger incessantly fabricate imaginary iOS functionality
> o You don't even get the Android functionality correct (you're that stupid)
> o Just _downloading_ the iOS IDE has you lose privacy (Android doesn't)
> 
> The point is that there are so many examples where iOS users have 
> *far less privacy* than do Android users, that anyone who says that 
> they have "more privacy" had better use facts, and not idiotic religious
> dogma.
> 
> The fact you & Jolly Roger can't every speak facts, speaks worlds already.
> Facts have absolutely no place to fit into your (religious) belief system.
> 
> The fact is, iOS has _plenty_ of situations where the privacy is far worse
> than that of Android, and iOS has far fewer privacy enhancing utilities,
> and yet, since there are plenty of global privacy leaking attributes of
> _all_ common consumer mobile phones, I'll be charitable to iOS by saying
> that the privacy between the two platforms is "about the same".
> 
> Everything depends on how much you weigh each of the facts, where I already
> presented at least a dozen situations where Android privacy is far better
> than that of iOS.
> 
> That you think otherwise is merely because you're never beholden to fact.
> And yet, EVERY one of your rebuttals is easily refuted WITH FACTS.
> 
> I've been studying you Apologists for a very long time, simply because
> you Apologists are not at all like normal adults are.
> 
> You see, nospam, the biggest weakness of all Apologists - is FACT.
> 
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You must have a lot of time on your hands.

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#120622

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2019-01-15 15:56 +0000
Message-ID	<ga6e60FtvtfU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#120607

On 2019-01-15, Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> You must have a lot of time on your hands.

He literally spends tens of hours daily trolling Usenet.

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#120634

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-15 18:03 +0000
Message-ID	<q1l7a6$hif$4@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120622

On 15 Jan 2019 15:56:48 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> He literally spends tens of hours daily trolling Usenet.

 Notice the _only_ response Jolly Roger has to facts, is to call facts "trolls".

I've studied Apple Apologists like Jolly Roger for many years.

The Apple Apologist has only 7 responses to actual adult facts:
o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
 <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM/veU8FwAjBQAJ>

=========================================================================== 
Common traits of the Apple Apologists:
. They brazenly & repeatedly fabricate wholly imaginary app functionality 
. They then exclaim that it's been told to us many times how to do it! 
... 
. They almost never back up statements with actual referenced facts 
. They incessantly play childish semantic games when faced with those facts 
... 
. They consistently fabricate quoted content that never happened 
. They then wittily respond to that imaginary quoted content as if it did! 
... 
. They're never purposefully helpful by helping the OP answer the question 
. They post worthless retorts, all of which lack any added technical value 
... 
. They consistently blame Android for most of Apple's app & hardware faults 
. They consistently find the absolute worst price:performance comparisons 
... 
. They actually believe that a well-documented process is too complex! 
. They literally believe elapsed time is proof of actual resolution time. 
... 
. They deny facts a priori - without even reading the referenced facts! 
. And then they complain about quote snipping of their silly semantic games 
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#120645

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2019-01-15 20:55 +0000
Message-ID	<ga6vm0F3eu2U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#120634

On 2019-01-15, arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com> wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2019 15:56:48 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> He literally spends tens of hours daily trolling Usenet.
>
>  Notice the _only_ response Jolly Roger has to facts, is to call facts
>  "trolls".

Notice "arlen" cannot address the fact that I easily showed that you can
side load iOS apps onto your iPhone. He absolutely will not acknowledge
this fact, pathetic man-child that he is.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#120672

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-16 17:33 +0000
Message-ID	<q1nptt$a1s$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120645

On 15 Jan 2019 20:55:28 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Notice "arlen" cannot address the fact that I easily showed that you can
> side load iOS apps onto your iPhone. He absolutely will not acknowledge
> this fact, pathetic man-child that he is.

Hi Jolly Roger,
I no longer consider you the epitome of the average Apple iOS user.

I just realized, sadly, why you  incorrectly process even _simple_ facts.
o I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with 
   Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too 
   far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MwtyT7BdxF4>

Hence, I will not attempt to supply facts further.

Even in the face of easily verified well-known logical obvious facts...
o You will still actually believe that the lemon juice worked just fine.

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#120674

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-16 09:41 -0800
Message-ID	<q1nqbr$cb8$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120672

On 2019-01-16 9:33 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2019 20:55:28 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> Notice "arlen" cannot address the fact that I easily showed that you can
>> side load iOS apps onto your iPhone. He absolutely will not acknowledge
>> this fact, pathetic man-child that he is.
> 
> Hi Jolly Roger,
> I no longer consider you the epitome of the average Apple iOS user.
> 
> I just realized, sadly, why you  incorrectly process even _simple_ facts.
> o I just belatedly realized why adults can't communicate with
>     Jolly Roger & nospam & Alan Baker & Snit - because they're too
>     far to the left on the Dunning-Kruger scale
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/MwtyT7BdxF4>
> 
> Hence, I will not attempt to supply facts further.
> 
> Even in the face of easily verified well-known logical obvious facts...

Like this "fact", "Arlen"?

'> o I'm using Linux (where Avast doesn't even run)'

You should explain that "fact" to Avast:

'What is Avast Security for Linux?
  How do I install Avast Security for Linux?
  How can I start or stop the Avast Linux services?
  How do I insert a license file to Avast Security for Linux?
  How can I keep Avast Security for Linux up to date?
  How do I integrate Avast Security for Linux into AMaViS?'

<https://support.avast.com/en-eu/article/131/>

<snip>

Now explain why ANYONE should be interested in reading your drivel.

:-)

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#120678

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2019-01-16 18:43 +0000
Message-ID	<ga9ca0Fj026U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#120674

On 2019-01-16, Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
> On 2019-01-16 9:33 a.m., arlen holder wrote:
>> On 15 Jan 2019 20:55:28 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> 
>>> Notice "arlen" cannot address the fact that I easily showed that you
>>> can side load iOS apps onto your iPhone. He absolutely will not
>>> acknowledge this fact, pathetic man-child that he is.
>> 
>> Hi Jolly Roger, I no longer consider you the epitome of the average
>> Apple iOS user.

Notice he still cannot address the topic, side loading apps on iPhones.
Pitiful, wretched excuse of a human being he is, he will wiggle and
squirm to avoid addressing the elephant in the room at all costs,
because he knows deep inside he's a fool, and the world laughs at him.
He's a sad old fart. 

-- 
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JR

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#120682

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-16 20:02 +0000
Message-ID	<q1o2kt$nkc$1@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120678

On 16 Jan 2019 18:43:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Notice he still cannot address the topic, side loading apps on iPhones.
> Pitiful, wretched excuse of a human being he is, he will wiggle and
> squirm to avoid addressing the elephant in the room at all costs,
> because he knows deep inside he's a fool, and the world laughs at him.
> He's a sad old fart.

:)

I used to consider you the epitome of the Apple user; but no more.
You're the epitome of something else, Jolly Roger.

Something else altogether, it seems.

HINT: Lemon juice Jolly Roger.

*Put the lemon juice on your face ... the bank camera won't see you.*

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#120683

From	Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz>
Date	2019-01-16 12:06 -0800
Message-ID	<q1o2rs$1k0i$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to	#120682

On 2019-01-16 12:02 p.m., arlen holder wrote:
> On 16 Jan 2019 18:43:12 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> Notice he still cannot address the topic, side loading apps on iPhones.
>> Pitiful, wretched excuse of a human being he is, he will wiggle and
>> squirm to avoid addressing the elephant in the room at all costs,
>> because he knows deep inside he's a fool, and the world laughs at him.
>> He's a sad old fart.
> 
> :)
> 
> I used to consider you the epitome of the Apple user; but no more.
> You're the epitome of something else, Jolly Roger.

Are you sure you don't mean "epiphany"...

:-D

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#120635

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-15 18:03 +0000
Message-ID	<q1l7a7$hif$5@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120607

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 05:12:36 -0500, Ed Norton wrote:

> You must have a lot of time on your hands.

Hi Ed Norton,
I do have a lot of time as I'm a retired Silicon Valley intellectual.

The fact is clear that I've studied the Apple Apologists for years, 
where it's not hard to prove that the Apple Apologist belief system
is purely religious - and not at all based on facts.

The facts are clear that iOS is _less_ private than Android in very many
ways, and just as private as Android in others - but - nobody yet - on this
entire newsgroup - can find a _single_ situation where iOS is actually more
private than Android.

That's a fact.
Now I'd _love_ for anyone to disprove that fact.

But the childish religious antics by Alan Baker, Jolly Roger, or nospam
will _not_ work when dealing with intelligent adults.

Those three Apologists get along fine, just like a bunch of fifth-grade
schoolboys get along just fine telling fart jokes to each other.

Those Apologists think their fact-free retorts are utterly hilarious.
And yet, the Apple Consumer is _slooooowly_ becoming wiser.
o The Apple consumer apparently slowed their grazing habits
o Tim Cook said, in response, he's going to have to fool them better

As for the privacy issue, there is already another thread on that:
o What is the factual truth about PRIVACY differences or similarities between the Android & iOS mobile phone ecosystems?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/FCKRA_3i9CY>
o YouTube is clearly not private on iOS - it's private on Android
o AddressToGPS is not private on iOS - but it is on Android
o Even IDE sideloading isn't private on iOS - but it is on Android
o On iOS you _must_ have an Apple ID - you don't need it on Android
o On iOS you _must_ have all your apps tagged - none need it on Android
o On iOS you _must_ have an ADVERTISING ID - you don't need it on Android
o On iOS, you don't even have the sanctioned Tor browser for heavens' sake
o On iOS, you don't can't download an app to find hidden or miscreant IMSIs, Cameras, APs, etc.
etc.

HINT: All those privacy enhancements are easily obtained, for free, on
Android, while NONE of those privacy enhancements are available on iOS.

Do you dispute those facts?
On what factual grounds do you dispute each & every one of those facts?

HINT: The Apologists' biggest weakness is that their minds are religious.
The Apple Apologists' biggest weakness - as with religion - is FACT.

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#120643

From	Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com>
Date	2019-01-15 15:06 -0500
Message-ID	<0001HW.D863A77504AF1038B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#120635

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:03:52 -0500, arlen holder wrote
(in article <q1l7a7$hif$5@news.mixmin.net>):

> On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 05:12:36 -0500, Ed Norton wrote:
> 
>> You must have a lot of time on your hands.
> 
> Hi Ed Norton,
> I do have a lot of time as I'm a retired Silicon Valley intellectual.

No need to be so modest.

> Do you dispute those facts?
> On what factual grounds do you dispute each & every one of those facts?

I don't have a dog in this fight.

-- 
Ed

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#120652

From	Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date	2019-01-15 19:37 -0500
Message-ID	<Y92dnYONz7kh4aPBnZ2dnUU7-d-dnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#120643

On 2019-01-15 15:06, Ed Norton wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:03:52 -0500, arlen holder wrote
> (in article <q1l7a7$hif$5@news.mixmin.net>):
> 
>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 05:12:36 -0500, Ed Norton wrote:
>>
>>> You must have a lot of time on your hands.
>>
>> Hi Ed Norton,
>> I do have a lot of time as I'm a retired Silicon Valley intellectual.
> 
> No need to be so modest.

You are replying to a legend in his own mind.

> 
>> Do you dispute those facts?
>> On what factual grounds do you dispute each & every one of those facts?
> 
> I don't have a dog in this fight.

Your dog would get rather bored.  Not much interesting coming from 
name-of-the-month troll.

-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#120655

From	Ed Norton <norton@nowhere.com>
Date	2019-01-15 21:04 -0500
Message-ID	<0001HW.D863FB4F04C2B70CB02919BF@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#120652

On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 19:37:16 -0500, Alan Browne wrote
(in article <Y92dnYONz7kh4aPBnZ2dnUU7-d-dnZ2d@giganews.com>):

> On 2019-01-15 15:06, Ed Norton wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 13:03:52 -0500, arlen holder wrote
>> (in article <q1l7a7$hif$5@news.mixmin.net>):
>> 
>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 05:12:36 -0500, Ed Norton wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You must have a lot of time on your hands.
>>> 
>>> Hi Ed Norton,
>>> I do have a lot of time as I'm a retired Silicon Valley intellectual.
>> 
>> No need to be so modest.
> 
> You are replying to a legend in his own mind.
> 
>> 
>>> Do you dispute those facts?
>>> On what factual grounds do you dispute each & every one of those facts?
>> 
>> I don't have a dog in this fight.
> 
> Your dog would get rather bored.  Not much interesting coming from 
> name-of-the-month troll.

I'm just following along to see which side presents the better ad 
hominem argument.

-- 
Ed

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#120592

From	arlen holder <arlen@arlen.com>
Date	2019-01-15 00:07 +0000
Message-ID	<q1j87r$ltk$4@news.mixmin.net>
In reply to	#120556

On 14 Jan 2019 17:12:13 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Bullshit. You can side load apps and write your own non-Apple-vetted
> apps no iOS.

*You Apologists always brazenly fabricate imaginary iOS functionality.*
So let's _check_ you on your facts with respect to "privacy".

On Android, I've uploaded a score of (simple) custom apps.
 <http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=9700091custom01.jpg>

Google doesn't know a thing about it.
o I downloaded the IDE software without telling Google who I was
o I use the IDE software without telling Google who I am
o I side loaded the apps to my phone without telling Google who I am

Now, Jolly Roger, tell me, ahem, tell us all please....

How are you going to do something even as simple as _that_
without the privacy implication of having to inform Apple of your AppleID?

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