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  Way Back When Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2018-11-02 11:21 -0400
    Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-02 09:06 -0700
      Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-03 21:00 +0000
        Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-03 21:17 +0000
          Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-03 15:29 -0700
            Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-03 22:55 +0000
              Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-03 18:15 -0700
                Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-04 08:47 +0000
                  Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-04 12:55 -0500
                    [OT] Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-05 08:12 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-05 01:45 -0800
                        Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-05 13:42 +0000
                          Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-05 07:31 -0800
                            Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-05 17:47 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-05 12:14 -0800
                                Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-05 20:46 +0000
    Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-03 09:28 +1300
      Re: Way Back When Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2018-11-02 18:35 -0400
        Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-03 21:06 +0000
          Re: Way Back When nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-03 17:41 -0400
            Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-05 03:13 +0000
              Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-05 18:13 +1300
                Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-05 19:07 +0000
                  Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-06 08:42 +1300
                    Re: Way Back When Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-05 11:47 -0800
                      Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-06 09:18 +1300
                        Re: Way Back When Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-05 12:37 -0800
                          Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-06 15:15 +1300
                            Re: Way Back When Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-05 21:12 -0800
                              Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-06 18:13 +1300
                                Re: Way Back When Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-05 21:26 -0800
                          Re: Way Back When John <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-05 18:47 -0800
                            Re: Way Back When Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-06 10:16 +0000
                              Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-06 08:12 -0500
                        Re: Way Back When nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 15:44 -0400
                        Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-06 14:57 +0000
                          [OT] Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-06 15:10 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-07 16:27 -0500
                              Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-08 14:15 +1300
                                Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-11-07 18:16 -0800
                                Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-07 22:52 -0500
                                  Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-07 21:22 -0800
                                    Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-08 18:28 +1300
                                      Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
                                    Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-08 02:48 -0500
                                  Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-08 18:26 +1300
                          Re: Way Back When Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2018-11-07 08:41 -0800
                            Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-07 18:38 +0000
                              Re: Way Back When Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-11-07 15:41 -0800
                            Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-08 10:26 +1300
                              Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-07 22:10 +0000
                            Re: Way Back When Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-08 07:06 +0000
                            Re: Way Back When Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2018-11-09 19:13 -0500
                    Re: Way Back When nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 14:55 -0400
                  Re: Way Back When Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-05 15:48 -0800
                    Re: Way Back When Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-06 10:14 +0000
                      Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-06 08:22 -0500
                      Re: Way Back When Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2018-11-06 07:02 -0800
                        Re: Way Back When Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2018-11-06 13:54 -0500
                        Re: Way Back When Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-07 09:26 +0000
                          Re: Way Back When Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-11-07 05:34 -0800
                    Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-06 15:41 +0000
          Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-04 14:28 +1300
      Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-04 14:01 -0500
        Re: Way Back When Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2018-11-04 17:00 -0500
          Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-05 08:44 -0500
    Re: Way Back When Supermarine Spitfire <spitfire@spitfireflyinghigh.com> - 2018-11-02 20:32 +0000
    Re: Way Back When Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2018-11-04 16:55 -0500
      Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-05 09:18 -0500
        Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-05 07:33 -0800
          Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-05 19:41 +0000
      Re: Way Back When Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2018-11-06 15:44 -0500

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#119143

On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:41:15 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> 
wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6Fd5ZtZ5ez1z@localhost>, John Varela
> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > > Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse print pages 
> > > spread among 5 volumes.
> > > 
> > > Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of electronic 
> > > features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; how to 
> > > change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or link up your 
> > > phone, etc., etc....
> >  
> > Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every trim 
> > line and optional feature.  For something as simple as resetting the
> > clock there will be instructions for several different versions, 
> > each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight Savings Time 
> > tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet again.
> 
> that's incredibly poorly design.

Sure enough, I had to look it up again in the manual.  The index has
an entry for "clock" so I went to page 3-35 as instructed.  It turns
out that the instructions for this car are described under the 
multi-function display, on page 3-49.

-- 
John Varela

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#119144

On 2018-11-05 03:13:18 +0000, John Varela said:
> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:41:15 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6Fd5ZtZ5ez1z@localhost>, John Varela
>> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse print pages
>>>> spread among 5 volumes.
>>>> 
>>>> Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of electronic
>>>> features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; how to
>>>> change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or link up your
>>>> phone, etc., etc....
>>> 
>>> Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every trim
>>> line and optional feature.  For something as simple as resetting the
>>> clock there will be instructions for several different versions,
>>> each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight Savings Time
>>> tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet again.
>> 
>> that's incredibly poorly design.
> 
> Sure enough, I had to look it up again in the manual.  The index has
> an entry for "clock" so I went to page 3-35 as instructed.  It turns
> out that the instructions for this car are described under the
> multi-function display, on page 3-49.

Ahhh, the joys of technology for the sake of it.

The digital clock on my car is in the middle of the driver's instrument 
cluster (between the speedo and rev counter dials. To change it you 
simply reach through the steering wheel to turn a small knob clockwise 
or counter-clockwise to adjust it, keep holding it in that direction 
and the time ticks up / down by 1 minute until you let go.  :-)  I 
don't think the car's radio / cassette player (yes a cassette tape 
system) has a clock - it displays the radio frequency.

I'm not sure if my mother's much newer car adjusted the time itself or 
if she had to do it via the touchscreen menu system of her car's 
infotainment screen.

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#119154

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:13:45 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
wrote:

> On 2018-11-05 03:13:18 +0000, John Varela said:
> > On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:41:15 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6Fd5ZtZ5ez1z@localhost>, John Varela
> >> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse print pages
> >>>> spread among 5 volumes.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of electronic
> >>>> features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; how to
> >>>> change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or link up your
> >>>> phone, etc., etc....
> >>> 
> >>> Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every trim
> >>> line and optional feature.  For something as simple as resetting the
> >>> clock there will be instructions for several different versions,
> >>> each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight Savings Time
> >>> tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet again.
> >> 
> >> that's incredibly poorly design.
> > 
> > Sure enough, I had to look it up again in the manual.  The index has
> > an entry for "clock" so I went to page 3-35 as instructed.  It turns
> > out that the instructions for this car are described under the
> > multi-function display, on page 3-49.
> 
> Ahhh, the joys of technology for the sake of it.
> 
> The digital clock on my car is in the middle of the driver's instrument 
> cluster (between the speedo and rev counter dials. To change it you 
> simply reach through the steering wheel to turn a small knob clockwise 
> or counter-clockwise to adjust it, keep holding it in that direction 
> and the time ticks up / down by 1 minute until you let go.  :-)  I 
> don't think the car's radio / cassette player (yes a cassette tape 
> system) has a clock - it displays the radio frequency.
> 
> I'm not sure if my mother's much newer car adjusted the time itself or 
> if she had to do it via the touchscreen menu system of her car's 
> infotainment screen.
 
The Subaru is my wife's car and if she had to reset the clock 
herself it would never happen.  This year I wised up and annotated 
the index with the desired page number and also dog-eared that page.

My car is similar to yours, in having a real clock, not one built 
into a multi-function display.  My clock has an analog dial placed 
smack in the middle of the dashboard, with two buttons: one to 
advance the hands and one to reverse them.

-- 
John Varela

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#119156

On 2018-11-05 19:07:41 +0000, John Varela said:
> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:13:45 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
> wrote:
>> On 2018-11-05 03:13:18 +0000, John Varela said:
>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:41:15 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6Fd5ZtZ5ez1z@localhost>, John Varela
>>>> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse print pages
>>>>>> spread among 5 volumes.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of electronic
>>>>>> features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; how to
>>>>>> change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or link up your
>>>>>> phone, etc., etc....
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every trim
>>>>> line and optional feature.  For something as simple as resetting the
>>>>> clock there will be instructions for several different versions,
>>>>> each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight Savings Time
>>>>> tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet again.
>>>> 
>>>> that's incredibly poorly design.
>>> 
>>> Sure enough, I had to look it up again in the manual.  The index has
>>> an entry for "clock" so I went to page 3-35 as instructed.  It turns
>>> out that the instructions for this car are described under the
>>> multi-function display, on page 3-49.
>> 
>> Ahhh, the joys of technology for the sake of it.
>> 
>> The digital clock on my car is in the middle of the driver's instrument
>> cluster (between the speedo and rev counter dials. To change it you
>> simply reach through the steering wheel to turn a small knob clockwise
>> or counter-clockwise to adjust it, keep holding it in that direction
>> and the time ticks up / down by 1 minute until you let go.  :-)  I
>> don't think the car's radio / cassette player (yes a cassette tape
>> system) has a clock - it displays the radio frequency.
>> 
>> I'm not sure if my mother's much newer car adjusted the time itself or
>> if she had to do it via the touchscreen menu system of her car's
>> infotainment screen.
> 
> The Subaru is my wife's car and if she had to reset the clock
> herself it would never happen.  This year I wised up and annotated
> the index with the desired page number and also dog-eared that page.
> 
> My car is similar to yours, in having a real clock, not one built
> into a multi-function display.  My clock has an analog dial placed
> smack in the middle of the dashboard, with two buttons: one to
> advance the hands and one to reverse them.

I dislike analogue clocks, even worse when they're in a car ... you 
meant to be driving, not spending "10 minutes" trying to figure out 
where the big hand and little hand are pointing. Digital clocks are 
much easier and quicker to read.  :-)

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#119157

On 2018-11-05 11:42 AM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-11-05 19:07:41 +0000, John Varela said:
>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:13:45 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 2018-11-05 03:13:18 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:41:15 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6Fd5ZtZ5ez1z@localhost>, John Varela
>>>>> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse print pages
>>>>>>> spread among 5 volumes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of electronic
>>>>>>> features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; how to
>>>>>>> change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or link 
>>>>>>> up your
>>>>>>> phone, etc., etc....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every trim
>>>>>> line and optional feature.  For something as simple as resetting the
>>>>>> clock there will be instructions for several different versions,
>>>>>> each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight Savings Time
>>>>>> tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet again.
>>>>>
>>>>> that's incredibly poorly design.
>>>>
>>>> Sure enough, I had to look it up again in the manual.  The index has
>>>> an entry for "clock" so I went to page 3-35 as instructed.  It turns
>>>> out that the instructions for this car are described under the
>>>> multi-function display, on page 3-49.
>>>
>>> Ahhh, the joys of technology for the sake of it.
>>>
>>> The digital clock on my car is in the middle of the driver's instrument
>>> cluster (between the speedo and rev counter dials. To change it you
>>> simply reach through the steering wheel to turn a small knob clockwise
>>> or counter-clockwise to adjust it, keep holding it in that direction
>>> and the time ticks up / down by 1 minute until you let go.  :-)  I
>>> don't think the car's radio / cassette player (yes a cassette tape
>>> system) has a clock - it displays the radio frequency.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if my mother's much newer car adjusted the time itself or
>>> if she had to do it via the touchscreen menu system of her car's
>>> infotainment screen.
>>
>> The Subaru is my wife's car and if she had to reset the clock
>> herself it would never happen.  This year I wised up and annotated
>> the index with the desired page number and also dog-eared that page.
>>
>> My car is similar to yours, in having a real clock, not one built
>> into a multi-function display.  My clock has an analog dial placed
>> smack in the middle of the dashboard, with two buttons: one to
>> advance the hands and one to reverse them.
> 
> I dislike analogue clocks, even worse when they're in a car ... you 
> meant to be driving, not spending "10 minutes" trying to figure out 
> where the big hand and little hand are pointing. Digital clocks are much 
> easier and quicker to read.  :-)
> 
> 
> 

Please tell me the smiley means you're kidding.

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#119160

On 2018-11-05 19:47:33 +0000, Alan Baker said:
> On 2018-11-05 11:42 AM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2018-11-05 19:07:41 +0000, John Varela said:
>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:13:45 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-11-05 03:13:18 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:41:15 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6Fd5ZtZ5ez1z@localhost>, John Varela
>>>>>> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse print pages
>>>>>>>> spread among 5 volumes.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of electronic
>>>>>>>> features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; how to
>>>>>>>> change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or link up your
>>>>>>>> phone, etc., etc....
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every trim
>>>>>>> line and optional feature.  For something as simple as resetting the
>>>>>>> clock there will be instructions for several different versions,
>>>>>>> each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight Savings Time
>>>>>>> tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet again.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> that's incredibly poorly design.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sure enough, I had to look it up again in the manual.  The index has
>>>>> an entry for "clock" so I went to page 3-35 as instructed.  It turns
>>>>> out that the instructions for this car are described under the
>>>>> multi-function display, on page 3-49.
>>>> 
>>>> Ahhh, the joys of technology for the sake of it.
>>>> 
>>>> The digital clock on my car is in the middle of the driver's instrument
>>>> cluster (between the speedo and rev counter dials. To change it you
>>>> simply reach through the steering wheel to turn a small knob clockwise
>>>> or counter-clockwise to adjust it, keep holding it in that direction
>>>> and the time ticks up / down by 1 minute until you let go.  :-)  I
>>>> don't think the car's radio / cassette player (yes a cassette tape
>>>> system) has a clock - it displays the radio frequency.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not sure if my mother's much newer car adjusted the time itself or
>>>> if she had to do it via the touchscreen menu system of her car's
>>>> infotainment screen.
>>> 
>>> The Subaru is my wife's car and if she had to reset the clock
>>> herself it would never happen.  This year I wised up and annotated
>>> the index with the desired page number and also dog-eared that page.
>>> 
>>> My car is similar to yours, in having a real clock, not one built
>>> into a multi-function display.  My clock has an analog dial placed
>>> smack in the middle of the dashboard, with two buttons: one to
>>> advance the hands and one to reverse them.
>> 
>> I dislike analogue clocks, even worse when they're in a car ... you 
>> meant to be driving, not spending "10 minutes" trying to figure out 
>> where the big hand and little hand are pointing. Digital clocks are 
>> much easier and quicker to read.  :-)
> 
> Please tell me the smiley means you're kidding.

Nope, it's not a winking smiley ... digital clocks *are* quicker and 
eaiser to read than analogue clocks. Digital clocks also take up less 
space (of course that depends on the design of both types of clock).

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#119161

On 2018-11-05 12:18 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-11-05 19:47:33 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>> On 2018-11-05 11:42 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2018-11-05 19:07:41 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:13:45 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-11-05 03:13:18 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:41:15 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6Fd5ZtZ5ez1z@localhost>, John Varela
>>>>>>> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse print 
>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>> spread among 5 volumes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of electronic
>>>>>>>>> features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; how to
>>>>>>>>> change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or link 
>>>>>>>>> up your
>>>>>>>>> phone, etc., etc....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every trim
>>>>>>>> line and optional feature.  For something as simple as resetting 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> clock there will be instructions for several different versions,
>>>>>>>> each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight Savings Time
>>>>>>>> tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that's incredibly poorly design.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure enough, I had to look it up again in the manual.  The index has
>>>>>> an entry for "clock" so I went to page 3-35 as instructed.  It turns
>>>>>> out that the instructions for this car are described under the
>>>>>> multi-function display, on page 3-49.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahhh, the joys of technology for the sake of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The digital clock on my car is in the middle of the driver's 
>>>>> instrument
>>>>> cluster (between the speedo and rev counter dials. To change it you
>>>>> simply reach through the steering wheel to turn a small knob clockwise
>>>>> or counter-clockwise to adjust it, keep holding it in that direction
>>>>> and the time ticks up / down by 1 minute until you let go.  :-)  I
>>>>> don't think the car's radio / cassette player (yes a cassette tape
>>>>> system) has a clock - it displays the radio frequency.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure if my mother's much newer car adjusted the time itself or
>>>>> if she had to do it via the touchscreen menu system of her car's
>>>>> infotainment screen.
>>>>
>>>> The Subaru is my wife's car and if she had to reset the clock
>>>> herself it would never happen.  This year I wised up and annotated
>>>> the index with the desired page number and also dog-eared that page.
>>>>
>>>> My car is similar to yours, in having a real clock, not one built
>>>> into a multi-function display.  My clock has an analog dial placed
>>>> smack in the middle of the dashboard, with two buttons: one to
>>>> advance the hands and one to reverse them.
>>>
>>> I dislike analogue clocks, even worse when they're in a car ... you 
>>> meant to be driving, not spending "10 minutes" trying to figure out 
>>> where the big hand and little hand are pointing. Digital clocks are 
>>> much easier and quicker to read.  :-)
>>
>> Please tell me the smiley means you're kidding.
> 
> Nope, it's not a winking smiley ... digital clocks *are* quicker and 
> eaiser to read than analogue clocks. Digital clocks also take up less 
> space (of course that depends on the design of both types of clock).
> 
> 
> 

No. They're quicker MAYBE if you need to know the time to the exact 
minute... ...but if you just need to know what most of us need to know, 
analog is faster.

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#119165

On 2018-11-05 20:37:01 +0000, Alan Baker said:

> On 2018-11-05 12:18 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2018-11-05 19:47:33 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>> On 2018-11-05 11:42 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2018-11-05 19:07:41 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:13:45 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-11-05 03:13:18 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:41:15 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6Fd5ZtZ5ez1z@localhost>, John Varela
>>>>>>>> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse print pages
>>>>>>>>>> spread among 5 volumes.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of electronic
>>>>>>>>>> features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; how to
>>>>>>>>>> change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or link up your
>>>>>>>>>> phone, etc., etc....
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every trim
>>>>>>>>> line and optional feature.  For something as simple as resetting the
>>>>>>>>> clock there will be instructions for several different versions,
>>>>>>>>> each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight Savings Time
>>>>>>>>> tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet again.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> that's incredibly poorly design.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sure enough, I had to look it up again in the manual.  The index has
>>>>>>> an entry for "clock" so I went to page 3-35 as instructed.  It turns
>>>>>>> out that the instructions for this car are described under the
>>>>>>> multi-function display, on page 3-49.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ahhh, the joys of technology for the sake of it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The digital clock on my car is in the middle of the driver's instrument
>>>>>> cluster (between the speedo and rev counter dials. To change it you
>>>>>> simply reach through the steering wheel to turn a small knob clockwise
>>>>>> or counter-clockwise to adjust it, keep holding it in that direction
>>>>>> and the time ticks up / down by 1 minute until you let go.  :-)  I
>>>>>> don't think the car's radio / cassette player (yes a cassette tape
>>>>>> system) has a clock - it displays the radio frequency.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not sure if my mother's much newer car adjusted the time itself or
>>>>>> if she had to do it via the touchscreen menu system of her car's
>>>>>> infotainment screen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Subaru is my wife's car and if she had to reset the clock
>>>>> herself it would never happen.  This year I wised up and annotated
>>>>> the index with the desired page number and also dog-eared that page.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My car is similar to yours, in having a real clock, not one built
>>>>> into a multi-function display.  My clock has an analog dial placed
>>>>> smack in the middle of the dashboard, with two buttons: one to
>>>>> advance the hands and one to reverse them.
>>>> 
>>>> I dislike analogue clocks, even worse when they're in a car ... you 
>>>> meant to be driving, not spending "10 minutes" trying to figure out 
>>>> where the big hand and little hand are pointing. Digital clocks are 
>>>> much easier and quicker to read.  :-)
>>> 
>>> Please tell me the smiley means you're kidding.
>> 
>> Nope, it's not a winking smiley ... digital clocks *are* quicker and 
>> eaiser to read than analogue clocks. Digital clocks also take up less 
>> space (of course that depends on the design of both types of clock).
> 
> No. They're quicker MAYBE if you need to know the time to the exact 
> minute... ...but if you just need to know what most of us need to know, 
> analog is faster.

Whatever you want to delude yourself into believing.   :-\

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#119167

On 2018-11-05 6:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-11-05 20:37:01 +0000, Alan Baker said:
> 
>> On 2018-11-05 12:18 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2018-11-05 19:47:33 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>> On 2018-11-05 11:42 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-11-05 19:07:41 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:13:45 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018-11-05 03:13:18 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:41:15 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6Fd5ZtZ5ez1z@localhost>, John Varela
>>>>>>>>> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse 
>>>>>>>>>>> print pages
>>>>>>>>>>> spread among 5 volumes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of electronic
>>>>>>>>>>> features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; 
>>>>>>>>>>> how to
>>>>>>>>>>> change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or 
>>>>>>>>>>> link up your
>>>>>>>>>>> phone, etc., etc....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every trim
>>>>>>>>>> line and optional feature.  For something as simple as 
>>>>>>>>>> resetting the
>>>>>>>>>> clock there will be instructions for several different versions,
>>>>>>>>>> each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight Savings 
>>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that's incredibly poorly design.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure enough, I had to look it up again in the manual.  The index 
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> an entry for "clock" so I went to page 3-35 as instructed.  It 
>>>>>>>> turns
>>>>>>>> out that the instructions for this car are described under the
>>>>>>>> multi-function display, on page 3-49.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ahhh, the joys of technology for the sake of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The digital clock on my car is in the middle of the driver's 
>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>> cluster (between the speedo and rev counter dials. To change it you
>>>>>>> simply reach through the steering wheel to turn a small knob 
>>>>>>> clockwise
>>>>>>> or counter-clockwise to adjust it, keep holding it in that direction
>>>>>>> and the time ticks up / down by 1 minute until you let go.  :-)  I
>>>>>>> don't think the car's radio / cassette player (yes a cassette tape
>>>>>>> system) has a clock - it displays the radio frequency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure if my mother's much newer car adjusted the time 
>>>>>>> itself or
>>>>>>> if she had to do it via the touchscreen menu system of her car's
>>>>>>> infotainment screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Subaru is my wife's car and if she had to reset the clock
>>>>>> herself it would never happen.  This year I wised up and annotated
>>>>>> the index with the desired page number and also dog-eared that page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My car is similar to yours, in having a real clock, not one built
>>>>>> into a multi-function display.  My clock has an analog dial placed
>>>>>> smack in the middle of the dashboard, with two buttons: one to
>>>>>> advance the hands and one to reverse them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I dislike analogue clocks, even worse when they're in a car ... you 
>>>>> meant to be driving, not spending "10 minutes" trying to figure out 
>>>>> where the big hand and little hand are pointing. Digital clocks are 
>>>>> much easier and quicker to read.  :-)
>>>>
>>>> Please tell me the smiley means you're kidding.
>>>
>>> Nope, it's not a winking smiley ... digital clocks *are* quicker and 
>>> eaiser to read than analogue clocks. Digital clocks also take up less 
>>> space (of course that depends on the design of both types of clock).
>>
>> No. They're quicker MAYBE if you need to know the time to the exact 
>> minute... ...but if you just need to know what most of us need to 
>> know, analog is faster.
> 
> Whatever you want to delude yourself into believing.   :-\
> 
> 

Sorry, but I have the facts to back me up.

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#119168

On 2018-11-06 05:12:18 +0000, Alan Baker said:
> On 2018-11-05 6:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2018-11-05 20:37:01 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>> On 2018-11-05 12:18 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2018-11-05 19:47:33 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>>> On 2018-11-05 11:42 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-11-05 19:07:41 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:13:45 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2018-11-05 03:13:18 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:41:15 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6Fd5ZtZ5ez1z@localhost>, John Varela
>>>>>>>>>> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse print pages
>>>>>>>>>>>> spread among 5 volumes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of electronic
>>>>>>>>>>>> features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; how to
>>>>>>>>>>>> change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or link up your
>>>>>>>>>>>> phone, etc., etc....
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every trim
>>>>>>>>>>> line and optional feature.  For something as simple as resetting the
>>>>>>>>>>> clock there will be instructions for several different versions,
>>>>>>>>>>> each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight Savings Time
>>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet again.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> that's incredibly poorly design.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sure enough, I had to look it up again in the manual.  The index has
>>>>>>>>> an entry for "clock" so I went to page 3-35 as instructed.  It turns
>>>>>>>>> out that the instructions for this car are described under the
>>>>>>>>> multi-function display, on page 3-49.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ahhh, the joys of technology for the sake of it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The digital clock on my car is in the middle of the driver's instrument
>>>>>>>> cluster (between the speedo and rev counter dials. To change it you
>>>>>>>> simply reach through the steering wheel to turn a small knob clockwise
>>>>>>>> or counter-clockwise to adjust it, keep holding it in that direction
>>>>>>>> and the time ticks up / down by 1 minute until you let go.  :-)  I
>>>>>>>> don't think the car's radio / cassette player (yes a cassette tape
>>>>>>>> system) has a clock - it displays the radio frequency.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if my mother's much newer car adjusted the time itself or
>>>>>>>> if she had to do it via the touchscreen menu system of her car's
>>>>>>>> infotainment screen.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The Subaru is my wife's car and if she had to reset the clock
>>>>>>> herself it would never happen.  This year I wised up and annotated
>>>>>>> the index with the desired page number and also dog-eared that page.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My car is similar to yours, in having a real clock, not one built
>>>>>>> into a multi-function display.  My clock has an analog dial placed
>>>>>>> smack in the middle of the dashboard, with two buttons: one to
>>>>>>> advance the hands and one to reverse them.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I dislike analogue clocks, even worse when they're in a car ... you 
>>>>>> meant to be driving, not spending "10 minutes" trying to figure out 
>>>>>> where the big hand and little hand are pointing. Digital clocks are 
>>>>>> much easier and quicker to read.  :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please tell me the smiley means you're kidding.
>>>> 
>>>> Nope, it's not a winking smiley ... digital clocks *are* quicker and 
>>>> eaiser to read than analogue clocks. Digital clocks also take up less 
>>>> space (of course that depends on the design of both types of clock).
>>> 
>>> No. They're quicker MAYBE if you need to know the time to the exact 
>>> minute... ...but if you just need to know what most of us need to know, 
>>> analog is faster.
>> 
>> Whatever you want to delude yourself into believing.  :-\
> 
> Sorry, but I have the facts to back me up.

Whatever you want to delude yourself into believing.

And nother argumentative braindead moron joins my kilfile.

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#119169

On 2018-11-05 9:13 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-11-06 05:12:18 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>> On 2018-11-05 6:15 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2018-11-05 20:37:01 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>> On 2018-11-05 12:18 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-11-05 19:47:33 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>>>> On 2018-11-05 11:42 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018-11-05 19:07:41 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:13:45 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2018-11-05 03:13:18 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:41:15 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6Fd5ZtZ5ez1z@localhost>, John 
>>>>>>>>>>> Varela
>>>>>>>>>>> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> print pages
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spread among 5 volumes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> electronic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> link up your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone, etc., etc....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every 
>>>>>>>>>>>> trim
>>>>>>>>>>>> line and optional feature.  For something as simple as 
>>>>>>>>>>>> resetting the
>>>>>>>>>>>> clock there will be instructions for several different 
>>>>>>>>>>>> versions,
>>>>>>>>>>>> each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Savings Time
>>>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet 
>>>>>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that's incredibly poorly design.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure enough, I had to look it up again in the manual.  The 
>>>>>>>>>> index has
>>>>>>>>>> an entry for "clock" so I went to page 3-35 as instructed.  
>>>>>>>>>> It turns
>>>>>>>>>> out that the instructions for this car are described under the
>>>>>>>>>> multi-function display, on page 3-49.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ahhh, the joys of technology for the sake of it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The digital clock on my car is in the middle of the driver's 
>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>> cluster (between the speedo and rev counter dials. To change it 
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> simply reach through the steering wheel to turn a small knob 
>>>>>>>>> clockwise
>>>>>>>>> or counter-clockwise to adjust it, keep holding it in that 
>>>>>>>>> direction
>>>>>>>>> and the time ticks up / down by 1 minute until you let go.  
>>>>>>>>> :-)  I
>>>>>>>>> don't think the car's radio / cassette player (yes a cassette tape
>>>>>>>>> system) has a clock - it displays the radio frequency.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if my mother's much newer car adjusted the time 
>>>>>>>>> itself or
>>>>>>>>> if she had to do it via the touchscreen menu system of her car's
>>>>>>>>> infotainment screen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Subaru is my wife's car and if she had to reset the clock
>>>>>>>> herself it would never happen.  This year I wised up and annotated
>>>>>>>> the index with the desired page number and also dog-eared that 
>>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My car is similar to yours, in having a real clock, not one built
>>>>>>>> into a multi-function display.  My clock has an analog dial placed
>>>>>>>> smack in the middle of the dashboard, with two buttons: one to
>>>>>>>> advance the hands and one to reverse them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I dislike analogue clocks, even worse when they're in a car ... 
>>>>>>> you meant to be driving, not spending "10 minutes" trying to 
>>>>>>> figure out where the big hand and little hand are pointing. 
>>>>>>> Digital clocks are much easier and quicker to read.  :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please tell me the smiley means you're kidding.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, it's not a winking smiley ... digital clocks *are* quicker 
>>>>> and eaiser to read than analogue clocks. Digital clocks also take 
>>>>> up less space (of course that depends on the design of both types 
>>>>> of clock).
>>>>
>>>> No. They're quicker MAYBE if you need to know the time to the exact 
>>>> minute... ...but if you just need to know what most of us need to 
>>>> know, analog is faster.
>>>
>>> Whatever you want to delude yourself into believing.  :-\
>>
>> Sorry, but I have the facts to back me up.
> 
> Whatever you want to delude yourself into believing.
> 
> And nother argumentative braindead moron joins my kilfile.

What was my "argumentativeness", exactly: that I disagreed with you, 
little snowflake?

:-(

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#119166

On 11/5/18 12:37 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2018-11-05 12:18 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2018-11-05 19:47:33 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>> On 2018-11-05 11:42 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2018-11-05 19:07:41 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:13:45 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-11-05 03:13:18 +0000, John Varela said:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:41:15 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6Fd5ZtZ5ez1z@localhost>, John Varela
>>>>>>>> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse print 
>>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>> spread among 5 volumes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of electronic
>>>>>>>>>> features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; 
>>>>>>>>>> how to
>>>>>>>>>> change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or 
>>>>>>>>>> link up your
>>>>>>>>>> phone, etc., etc....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every trim
>>>>>>>>> line and optional feature.  For something as simple as 
>>>>>>>>> resetting the
>>>>>>>>> clock there will be instructions for several different versions,
>>>>>>>>> each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight Savings 
>>>>>>>>> Time
>>>>>>>>> tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that's incredibly poorly design.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure enough, I had to look it up again in the manual.  The index has
>>>>>>> an entry for "clock" so I went to page 3-35 as instructed.  It turns
>>>>>>> out that the instructions for this car are described under the
>>>>>>> multi-function display, on page 3-49.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahhh, the joys of technology for the sake of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The digital clock on my car is in the middle of the driver's 
>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>> cluster (between the speedo and rev counter dials. To change it you
>>>>>> simply reach through the steering wheel to turn a small knob 
>>>>>> clockwise
>>>>>> or counter-clockwise to adjust it, keep holding it in that direction
>>>>>> and the time ticks up / down by 1 minute until you let go.  :-)  I
>>>>>> don't think the car's radio / cassette player (yes a cassette tape
>>>>>> system) has a clock - it displays the radio frequency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure if my mother's much newer car adjusted the time 
>>>>>> itself or
>>>>>> if she had to do it via the touchscreen menu system of her car's
>>>>>> infotainment screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Subaru is my wife's car and if she had to reset the clock
>>>>> herself it would never happen.  This year I wised up and annotated
>>>>> the index with the desired page number and also dog-eared that page.
>>>>>
>>>>> My car is similar to yours, in having a real clock, not one built
>>>>> into a multi-function display.  My clock has an analog dial placed
>>>>> smack in the middle of the dashboard, with two buttons: one to
>>>>> advance the hands and one to reverse them.
>>>>
>>>> I dislike analogue clocks, even worse when they're in a car ... you 
>>>> meant to be driving, not spending "10 minutes" trying to figure out 
>>>> where the big hand and little hand are pointing. Digital clocks are 
>>>> much easier and quicker to read.  :-)
>>>
>>> Please tell me the smiley means you're kidding.
>>
>> Nope, it's not a winking smiley ... digital clocks *are* quicker and 
>> eaiser to read than analogue clocks. Digital clocks also take up less 
>> space (of course that depends on the design of both types of clock).
>>
>>
>>
> 
> No. They're quicker MAYBE if you need to know the time to the exact 
> minute... ...but if you just need to know what most of us need to know, 
> analog is faster.



ROTFLMAO!!!!

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#119171

In message <nI6dnVKyHIVTnXzGnZ2dnUU7-amdnZ2d@giganews.com> John <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>> No. They're quicker MAYBE if you need to know the time to the exact 
>> minute... ...but if you just need to know what most of us need to know, 
>> analog is faster.

> ROTFLMAO!!!!

In fact, about twice as fast.

In most cases with an analog face, I only need to see the position of
the hour hand. That gives me the time to close enough to what I need in
nearly all cases.

-- 
...on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them
unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. -- James Nicoll

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#119172

On 11/6/18 5:16 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <nI6dnVKyHIVTnXzGnZ2dnUU7-amdnZ2d@giganews.com> John <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> 
>>> No. They're quicker MAYBE if you need to know the time to the exact
>>> minute... ...but if you just need to know what most of us need to know,
>>> analog is faster.
> 
>> ROTFLMAO!!!!
> 
> In fact, about twice as fast.
> 
> In most cases with an analog face, I only need to see the position of
> the hour hand. That gives me the time to close enough to what I need in
> nearly all cases.
> 
What if the clock in High Noon had been digital? Gary Cooper would have 
had to keep pulling out his calculator to see how many minutes he had 
left. It wouldn't have been the same!

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#119162

In article <prq8iq$44f$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> >> I dislike analogue clocks, even worse when they're in a car ... you 
> >> meant to be driving, not spending "10 minutes" trying to figure out 
> >> where the big hand and little hand are pointing. Digital clocks are 
> >> much easier and quicker to read.  :-)
> > 
> > Please tell me the smiley means you're kidding.
> 
> Nope, it's not a winking smiley ... digital clocks *are* quicker and 
> eaiser to read than analogue clocks. Digital clocks also take up less 
> space

both false.

> (of course that depends on the design of both types of clock).

yes it does, which is why it's false.

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#119177

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 20:18:36 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
wrote:

> On 2018-11-05 19:47:33 +0000, Alan Baker said:
> > On 2018-11-05 11:42 AM, Your Name wrote:
> >> On 2018-11-05 19:07:41 +0000, John Varela said:
> >>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:13:45 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On 2018-11-05 03:13:18 +0000, John Varela said:
> >>>>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:41:15 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-6Fd5ZtZ5ez1z@localhost>, John Varela
> >>>>>> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse print pages
> >>>>>>>> spread among 5 volumes.
> >>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>> Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of electronic
> >>>>>>>> features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; how to
> >>>>>>>> change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or link up your
> >>>>>>>> phone, etc., etc....
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every trim
> >>>>>>> line and optional feature.  For something as simple as resetting the
> >>>>>>> clock there will be instructions for several different versions,
> >>>>>>> each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight Savings Time
> >>>>>>> tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet again.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> that's incredibly poorly design.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Sure enough, I had to look it up again in the manual.  The index has
> >>>>> an entry for "clock" so I went to page 3-35 as instructed.  It turns
> >>>>> out that the instructions for this car are described under the
> >>>>> multi-function display, on page 3-49.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Ahhh, the joys of technology for the sake of it.
> >>>> 
> >>>> The digital clock on my car is in the middle of the driver's instrument
> >>>> cluster (between the speedo and rev counter dials. To change it you
> >>>> simply reach through the steering wheel to turn a small knob clockwise
> >>>> or counter-clockwise to adjust it, keep holding it in that direction
> >>>> and the time ticks up / down by 1 minute until you let go.  :-)  I
> >>>> don't think the car's radio / cassette player (yes a cassette tape
> >>>> system) has a clock - it displays the radio frequency.
> >>>> 
> >>>> I'm not sure if my mother's much newer car adjusted the time itself or
> >>>> if she had to do it via the touchscreen menu system of her car's
> >>>> infotainment screen.
> >>> 
> >>> The Subaru is my wife's car and if she had to reset the clock
> >>> herself it would never happen.  This year I wised up and annotated
> >>> the index with the desired page number and also dog-eared that page.
> >>> 
> >>> My car is similar to yours, in having a real clock, not one built
> >>> into a multi-function display.  My clock has an analog dial placed
> >>> smack in the middle of the dashboard, with two buttons: one to
> >>> advance the hands and one to reverse them.
> >> 
> >> I dislike analogue clocks, even worse when they're in a car ... you 
> >> meant to be driving, not spending "10 minutes" trying to figure out 
> >> where the big hand and little hand are pointing. Digital clocks are 
> >> much easier and quicker to read.  :-)
> > 
> > Please tell me the smiley means you're kidding.
> 
> Nope, it's not a winking smiley ... digital clocks *are* quicker and 
> eaiser to read than analogue clocks. Digital clocks also take up less 
> space (of course that depends on the design of both types of clock).

I just measured my dashboard clock and it is two inches wide by one 
inch high.

When I want the time while driving, I don't need much accuracy.  An 
analog clock is, for me, at least as fast to get an approximate 
reading of the time as a digital clock is.


-- 
John Varela

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#119179 — [OT] Re: Way Back When

John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 20:18:36 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
> wrote:

[...]

> > Nope, it's not a winking smiley ... digital clocks *are* quicker and
> > eaiser to read than analogue clocks. Digital clocks also take up less
> > space (of course that depends on the design of both types of clock).
> >
>
> I just measured my dashboard clock and it is two inches wide by one 
> inch high.
> 
> When I want the time while driving, I don't need much accuracy.  An 
> analog clock is, for me, at least as fast to get an approximate 
> reading of the time as a digital clock is.
>

For someone who was trained in how to read an analogue clock 
while they were at primary school, an old fashioned clock with 
a dial  -is-  quicker and easier to read - it's comprehensible 
on an entirely different level ( arguably more basic) that that 
mediated by reliance on interpreting numbers.

Maybe digital clocks -are- easier for younger people who never 
learned how to tell the time.  For an old fogey like me, I can 
see, literally at a glance, what the time is without having to 
give it a thought.

Precise time-telling may be easier with a digital clock but they 
are less readily comprehensible for everyday purposes.  Unless 
you never learned how, of course...

-- 
^Ï^     My pet rock Gordon just is.

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#119229 — Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When

On 11/6/18 10:10 AM, Sn!pe wrote:
> John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 20:18:36 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>>> Nope, it's not a winking smiley ... digital clocks *are* quicker and
>>> eaiser to read than analogue clocks. Digital clocks also take up less
>>> space (of course that depends on the design of both types of clock).
>>>
>>
>> I just measured my dashboard clock and it is two inches wide by one
>> inch high.
>>
>> When I want the time while driving, I don't need much accuracy.  An
>> analog clock is, for me, at least as fast to get an approximate
>> reading of the time as a digital clock is.
>>
> 
> For someone who was trained in how to read an analogue clock
> while they were at primary school, an old fashioned clock with
> a dial  -is-  quicker and easier to read - it's comprehensible
> on an entirely different level ( arguably more basic) that that
> mediated by reliance on interpreting numbers.
> 
> Maybe digital clocks -are- easier for younger people who never
> learned how to tell the time.  For an old fogey like me, I can
> see, literally at a glance, what the time is without having to
> give it a thought.
> 
> Precise time-telling may be easier with a digital clock but they
> are less readily comprehensible for everyday purposes.  Unless
> you never learned how, of course...
> 
At one time, I thought digital watches were dumb because you had to 
press a button to see the time. Then in 1974 I saw an LCD watch in a 
jeweler's window for $300. I was amazed.

A year later, I saw a Timex LCD watch for only $85 at discount. I bought 
it on impulse. I was very proud of it until the day I couldn't make 
sense of the display. It took a long time to realize I'd put the watch 
on upside down. It was easy to see when an analog watch was upside down 
because the 12 had two digits and the 6 had only one.

When I remove my car dashboard, sometimes I don't get everything back 
right. If someday I put the digital clock in upside down, it could 
baffle me for years!

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#119236 — Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When

On 2018-11-07 21:27:09 +0000, J Burns said:
> On 11/6/18 10:10 AM, Sn!pe wrote:
>> John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 20:18:36 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>> wrote:
>> 
>> [...]
>> 
>>>> Nope, it's not a winking smiley ... digital clocks *are* quicker and
>>>> eaiser to read than analogue clocks. Digital clocks also take up less
>>>> space (of course that depends on the design of both types of clock).
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I just measured my dashboard clock and it is two inches wide by one
>>> inch high.
>>> 
>>> When I want the time while driving, I don't need much accuracy.  An
>>> analog clock is, for me, at least as fast to get an approximate
>>> reading of the time as a digital clock is.
>>> 
>> 
>> For someone who was trained in how to read an analogue clock
>> while they were at primary school, an old fashioned clock with
>> a dial  -is-  quicker and easier to read - it's comprehensible
>> on an entirely different level ( arguably more basic) that that
>> mediated by reliance on interpreting numbers.
>> 
>> Maybe digital clocks -are- easier for younger people who never
>> learned how to tell the time.  For an old fogey like me, I can
>> see, literally at a glance, what the time is without having to
>> give it a thought.
>> 
>> Precise time-telling may be easier with a digital clock but they
>> are less readily comprehensible for everyday purposes.  Unless
>> you never learned how, of course...
> 
> At one time, I thought digital watches were dumb because you had to 
> press a button to see the time. Then in 1974 I saw an LCD watch in a 
> jeweler's window for $300. I was amazed.
> 
> A year later, I saw a Timex LCD watch for only $85 at discount. I 
> bought it on impulse.

I've had a few of the Casio model I like over the years, and it has now 
been re-released as part of their "Vintage Collection" (not that it was 
ever not in Casio's stock list) and according to a local junk mail 
catalogue in the letterbox costs NZ$99.

A few years ago I bought *three* of them brand new at a discount sale 
for justNZ$30. :-)  On one the battery has now run out, so is in the 
drawer waiting until I have to buy a new battery. The second is now on 
my wrist still going strong, and the third, still brand new, is sitting 
in the drawer waiting for it's turn when this battery runs out, or 
longer if its battery runs out first (I'll just replace the battery of 
one of the now-used ones instead.



> I was very proud of it until the day I couldn't make sense of the 
> display. It took a long time to realize I'd put the watch on upside 
> down. It was easy to see when an analog watch was upside down because 
> the 12 had two digits and the 6 had only one.

Unless it's using Roman numerals, then the 6 has two digits ... but 
then the 12 has three digits.



> When I remove my car dashboard, sometimes I don't get everything back 
> right. If someday I put the digital clock in upside down, it could 
> baffle me for years!

Some analogue clock designs don't even have numbers, or they can be so 
small (especially in car dashboards), that you'd never know they're 
upside down.

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#119237 — Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When

On Nov 7, 2018, Your Name wrote
(in article <ps02np$1h2s$1@gioia.aioe.org>):

> On 2018-11-07 21:27:09 +0000, J Burns said:
> > On 11/6/18 10:10 AM, Sn!pe wrote:
> > > John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 20:18:36 UTC, Your Name<YourName@YourISP.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > > Nope, it's not a winking smiley ... digital clocks *are* quicker and
> > > > > eaiser to read than analogue clocks. Digital clocks also take up less
> > > > > space (of course that depends on the design of both types of clock).
> > > >
> > > > I just measured my dashboard clock and it is two inches wide by one
> > > > inch high.
> > > >
> > > > When I want the time while driving, I don't need much accuracy. An
> > > > analog clock is, for me, at least as fast to get an approximate
> > > > reading of the time as a digital clock is.
> > >
> > > For someone who was trained in how to read an analogue clock
> > > while they were at primary school, an old fashioned clock with
> > > a dial -is- quicker and easier to read - it's comprehensible
> > > on an entirely different level ( arguably more basic) that that
> > > mediated by reliance on interpreting numbers.
> > >
> > > Maybe digital clocks -are- easier for younger people who never
> > > learned how to tell the time. For an old fogey like me, I can
> > > see, literally at a glance, what the time is without having to
> > > give it a thought.
> > >
> > > Precise time-telling may be easier with a digital clock but they
> > > are less readily comprehensible for everyday purposes. Unless
> > > you never learned how, of course...
> >
> > At one time, I thought digital watches were dumb because you had to
> > press a button to see the time. Then in 1974 I saw an LCD watch in a
> > jeweler's window for $300. I was amazed.
> >
> > A year later, I saw a Timex LCD watch for only $85 at discount. I
> > bought it on impulse.
>
> I've had a few of the Casio model I like over the years, and it has now
> been re-released as part of their "Vintage Collection" (not that it was
> ever not in Casio's stock list) and according to a local junk mail
> catalogue in the letterbox costs NZ$99.
>
> A few years ago I bought *three* of them brand new at a discount sale
> for justNZ$30. :-) On one the battery has now run out, so is in the
> drawer waiting until I have to buy a new battery. The second is now on
> my wrist still going strong, and the third, still brand new, is sitting
> in the drawer waiting for it's turn when this battery runs out, or
> longer if its battery runs out first (I'll just replace the battery of
> one of the now-used ones instead.
>
> > I was very proud of it until the day I couldn't make sense of the
> > display. It took a long time to realize I'd put the watch on upside
> > down. It was easy to see when an analog watch was upside down because
> > the 12 had two digits and the 6 had only one.
>
> Unless it's using Roman numerals, then the 6 has two digits ... but
> then the 12 has three digits.
>
> > When I remove my car dashboard, sometimes I don't get everything back
> > right. If someday I put the digital clock in upside down, it could
> > baffle me for years!
>
> Some analogue clock designs don't even have numbers, or they can be so
> small (especially in car dashboards), that you'd never know they're
> upside down.

I find my Seiko Solar to be tough, reliable, accurate, and very readable, all 
with no battery to change. However, I have to manually adjust for the time 
change twice a year, just like in the old days.

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/15001067t0woiyy/IMG_2631e.jpg?dl=0>

The dash clock in my E350 has an analog, easy to read dial, which is set via 
built-in GPS. The move between PST (I am in California) and PDT is made by 
simple selection in the system menu.

-- 
Regards,
Savageduck

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