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  Way Back When Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2018-11-02 11:21 -0400
    Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-02 09:06 -0700
      Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-03 21:00 +0000
        Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-03 21:17 +0000
          Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-03 15:29 -0700
            Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-03 22:55 +0000
              Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-03 18:15 -0700
                Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-04 08:47 +0000
                  Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-04 12:55 -0500
                    [OT] Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-05 08:12 +0000
                      Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-05 01:45 -0800
                        Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-05 13:42 +0000
                          Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-05 07:31 -0800
                            Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-05 17:47 +0000
                              Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-05 12:14 -0800
                                Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-05 20:46 +0000
    Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-03 09:28 +1300
      Re: Way Back When Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2018-11-02 18:35 -0400
        Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-03 21:06 +0000
          Re: Way Back When nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-03 17:41 -0400
            Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-05 03:13 +0000
              Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-05 18:13 +1300
                Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-05 19:07 +0000
                  Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-06 08:42 +1300
                    Re: Way Back When Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-05 11:47 -0800
                      Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-06 09:18 +1300
                        Re: Way Back When Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-05 12:37 -0800
                          Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-06 15:15 +1300
                            Re: Way Back When Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-05 21:12 -0800
                              Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-06 18:13 +1300
                                Re: Way Back When Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-05 21:26 -0800
                          Re: Way Back When John <nospam@nospam.com> - 2018-11-05 18:47 -0800
                            Re: Way Back When Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-06 10:16 +0000
                              Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-06 08:12 -0500
                        Re: Way Back When nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 15:44 -0400
                        Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-06 14:57 +0000
                          [OT] Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-06 15:10 +0000
                            Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-07 16:27 -0500
                              Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-08 14:15 +1300
                                Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-11-07 18:16 -0800
                                Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-07 22:52 -0500
                                  Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-07 21:22 -0800
                                    Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-08 18:28 +1300
                                      Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-08 00:33 -0400
                                    Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-08 02:48 -0500
                                  Re: [OT] Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-08 18:26 +1300
                          Re: Way Back When Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2018-11-07 08:41 -0800
                            Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-07 18:38 +0000
                              Re: Way Back When Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2018-11-07 15:41 -0800
                            Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-08 10:26 +1300
                              Re: Way Back When snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2018-11-07 22:10 +0000
                            Re: Way Back When Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-08 07:06 +0000
                            Re: Way Back When Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2018-11-09 19:13 -0500
                    Re: Way Back When nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-11-05 14:55 -0400
                  Re: Way Back When Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-11-05 15:48 -0800
                    Re: Way Back When Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-06 10:14 +0000
                      Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-06 08:22 -0500
                      Re: Way Back When Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2018-11-06 07:02 -0800
                        Re: Way Back When Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2018-11-06 13:54 -0500
                        Re: Way Back When Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-11-07 09:26 +0000
                          Re: Way Back When Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-11-07 05:34 -0800
                    Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-06 15:41 +0000
          Re: Way Back When Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-11-04 14:28 +1300
      Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-04 14:01 -0500
        Re: Way Back When Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2018-11-04 17:00 -0500
          Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-05 08:44 -0500
    Re: Way Back When Supermarine Spitfire <spitfire@spitfireflyinghigh.com> - 2018-11-02 20:32 +0000
    Re: Way Back When Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2018-11-04 16:55 -0500
      Re: Way Back When J Burns <burns@nospam.com> - 2018-11-05 09:18 -0500
        Re: Way Back When Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-05 07:33 -0800
          Re: Way Back When "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-11-05 19:41 +0000
      Re: Way Back When Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2018-11-06 15:44 -0500

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#119202

On Nov 7, 2018, Lewis wrote:

> JVC is the brand of the in-car after-market "radio" which I never use
> as a radio, but almost entirely use as a bluetooth interface from my
> phone to the car's speakers.
>
> The manual states "The clock time is automatically set using the Clock
> Time (CT) data in FM Radio Broadcast Data System signal"
>
> The manual makes no other mention of this feature.
>
> I found this:
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System>
>
> But as I said, it does not appear to actually work.

My car radio has some sort of digital. I think it might be called HD FM. I 
wouldn’t be surprised if those sorts of signals carry a bunch of extra info 
like song name, artist, etc. Perhaps the time as well.

-- 
-=Elden=-

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#119180

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 23:48:48 UTC, Leonard Blaisdell 
<leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-u7sHhJvBhewG@localhost>, John Varela
> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > My car is similar to yours, in having a real clock, not one built 
> > into a multi-function display.  My clock has an analog dial placed 
> > smack in the middle of the dashboard, with two buttons: one to 
> > advance the hands and one to reverse them.
> 
> The 2010 basic Subaru Forester has the plus/minus pushbutton setup with
> a digital clock in the middle of the dash. It's a no brainer. God knows
> what wonders a new Subaru has.

My wife's 2014 Forester replaced a 1999 Forester.  That one had two 
clocks: one built into the dash display and one built into the 
radio.  The latter always sent me to the manual to learn how to 
access the menu.

-- 
John Varela

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#119129

On 2018-11-03 21:06:12 +0000, John Varela said:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 22:35:45 UTC, Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net>
> wrote:
>> On 11/2/18 4:28 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2018-11-02 15:21:29 +0000, Davoud said:
>>>> 
>>>> Remember when software had printed manuals? How about a 2,000 page
>>>> manual? <https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/44956561934>
>>> 
>>> My programmable HP calculator (that I still use occasionally) came with
>>> two thick manuals.  :-)
>>> 
>>> It's not just software. You used to get proper manuals with hardware
>>> too: computers, TVs, set-top boxes, etc. These days you're lucky if you
>>> even get a single page "Set-up Guide".  :-(
>>> 
>>> Even when you rarely do get manuals these days, they are often so rushed
>>> that they contain errors. The guide book that came with my mother's VW
>>> car said to look in the driver's door fram for the recommended tyre
>>> pressures (as is usual in most cars) ... nothing there. Eventually,
>>> after asking the dealer, we found the tyre pressures are ridiculously
>>> listed inside the petrol flap!!
>> 
>> Bought a new car recently? Mine came with 780 semi-mouse print pages
>> spread among 5 volumes.
>> 
>> Good effin' luck trying to find how to turn dozens of electronic
>> features on, off or calibrate them; when to change the oil; how to
>> change the clock tor daylight saving; program the radio or link up your
>> phone, etc., etc....
> 
> Subaru presents one manual for each model.  It covers every trim
> line and optional feature.  For something as simple as resetting the
> clock there will be instructions for several different versions,
> each qualified "(if equipped)".  We go off of Daylight Savings Time
> tomorrow morning, and I am going to have to look it up yet again.

At least it's in English.

Here in New Zealand there are a lot of second hand cars imported from 
Japan, which means everythingf inside the car is in Japanese: the 
radio, the navigation system, the buttons, the settings screens, etc. 
The only reason I can see that fools actually buys these cars is either 
they can read Japanese OR they don't care about any of that stuff and 
just want a cheaper car ... which makes you wonder why car makers 
bother to put it all in in the first place.   :-\

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#119137

On 11/2/18 4:28 PM, Your Name wrote:
> 
> Even when you rarely do get manuals these days, they are often so rushed 
> that they contain errors. The guide book that came with my mother's VW 
> car said to look in the driver's door fram for the recommended tyre 
> pressures (as is usual in most cars) ... nothing there. Eventually, 
> after asking the dealer, we found the tyre pressures are ridiculously 
> listed inside the petrol flap!!
> 
I found an Australian site that says they're usually on the driver's 
door pillar or the fuel-filler cover, but it varies according to the 
country. Another site says they were required from 1968 to 2003, and 
they could be in several places, including the engine compartment. It 
says on Ford Sedans, it could be on a passenger door pillar.

I depend on memory when I check pressure. It has been so long since I've 
checked the sticker that I had to search for it. It was inside the door 
of the glove box.

If regulations required these stickers, you would think regulations 
would have required a standard location, internationally. Maybe Google 
is the simplest source.

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#119142

On 2018-11-04 14:01, J Burns wrote:
> 
> 
> If regulations required these stickers, you would think regulations 
> would have required a standard location, internationally. Maybe Google 
> is the simplest source.

Good news: it often is.  Sit in the car with your iPhone and look up all 
sorts of things.

Bad news: often link to badly done, long YouTube video.  I hate that.

Best recent buy: Blue Driver OBD II "scanner" with iPhone app.  When the 
trouble light comes on, you get the actual, plain English description of 
the issue, how common it is, and so on.  Some tips on what it may 
indicate needs attention or changing.

-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#119149

On 11/4/18 5:00 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

> 
> Best recent buy: Blue Driver OBD II "scanner" with iPhone app.  When the 
> trouble light comes on, you get the actual, plain English description of 
> the issue, how common it is, and so on.  Some tips on what it may 
> indicate needs attention or changing.
> 
I need to print the instructions for starting my car in Recovery Mode so 
I can tape them to the windshield. :)

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#119112

On 02/11/2018 3:21 pm, Davoud wrote:
> Remember when software had printed manuals? How about a 2,000 page
> manual? <https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/44956561934>

Haha, I know that box-set. I used Final Cut Studio at previous workplace 
to prepare content for DVD burning, many moons ago.

-- 
-Spitfire

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#119141

On 2018-11-02 11:21, Davoud wrote:
> Remember when software had printed manuals? How about a 2,000 page
> manual? <https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/44956561934>

In a way those nice fat manuals at least gave you the impression you 
were getting a lot for your big fat payment.

Further, it was a good indication that there was hell of a lot of good 
stuff in the package.

Now, no manuals, and it's not easy at all to find the "jewels" in your 
software package - or understand their intended use sometimes.

When I began working for an avionics co. back in the 80's and a project 
launched to change some software, the s/w engineers would begin by 
changing the pilot's user manuals.  Making sure the U/I was done 
correctly "in the manual" was a good guide to making the s/w design 
changes (and to get moving on the s/w acceptance test procedures).

-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#119150

On 11/4/18 4:55 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

> 
> Now, no manuals, and it's not easy at all to find the "jewels" in your 
> software package - or understand their intended use sometimes.
> 
> When I began working for an avionics co. back in the 80's and a project 
> launched to change some software, the s/w engineers would begin by 
> changing the pilot's user manuals.  Making sure the U/I was done 
> correctly "in the manual" was a good guide to making the s/w design 
> changes (and to get moving on the s/w acceptance test procedures).
> 
Everyone blames Roger Peterson for his terrible attitude the night the 
music died. I blame the Sperry F3 Manual. Most attitude gyros were run 
by vacuum. This one was electric, and that required thicker spindle oil. 
If the plane had been left out below zero F, the gyro could take a long 
time to warm up. Otherwise, you risked rapid precession and toppling.

It had been -10 F the last two nights. If the warning had been in the 
manual, I'm sure Peterson would have switched on the gyro well ahead of 
time, and music wouldn't have been going down hill for the last 60 years.

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#119152

In article <prpjfs$64c$1@dont-email.me>, J Burns <burns@nospam.com> wrote:

> On 11/4/18 4:55 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Now, no manuals, and it's not easy at all to find the "jewels" in your 
> > software package - or understand their intended use sometimes.
> > 
> > When I began working for an avionics co. back in the 80's and a project 
> > launched to change some software, the s/w engineers would begin by 
> > changing the pilot's user manuals.  Making sure the U/I was done 
> > correctly "in the manual" was a good guide to making the s/w design 
> > changes (and to get moving on the s/w acceptance test procedures).
> > 
> Everyone blames Roger Peterson for his terrible attitude the night the 
> music died. I blame the Sperry F3 Manual. Most attitude gyros were run 
> by vacuum. This one was electric, and that required thicker spindle oil. 
> If the plane had been left out below zero F, the gyro could take a long 
> time to warm up. Otherwise, you risked rapid precession and toppling.
> 
> It had been -10 F the last two nights. If the warning had been in the 
> manual, I'm sure Peterson would have switched on the gyro well ahead of 
> time, and music wouldn't have been going down hill for the last 60 years.

Sounds like a hardware problem. I'm a programmer. I don't do hardware.

-- 
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'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'                                    /|\
An almond doesn't lactate.                        This post         / \
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#119155

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 15:33:54 UTC, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> 
wrote:
 
> Sounds like a hardware problem. I'm a programmer. I don't do hardware.
 
True story:  There was a software guy (I will call him Dick because 
that was his name) who was developing some software for a Raytheon 
mini-computer (for those who remember mini-computers).  As I recall,
it was a Raytheon 704 or some such number.

The computer had received a hardware upgrade, and Dick somehow 
convinced himself that the upgrade was not compatible with the 
software he had been developing before the upgrade.  The hardware 
guys could not convince him that was untrue, so to shut him up they 
installed a toggle switch on the back panel and labeled it with the 
old and new modes.  When Dick was going to use the computer he would
throw the toggle to the old mode, and when he was done he would 
dutifully return the switch to its former position.  The switch of 
course was not wired to anything.

A few years later, when Dick retired, he was presented with the 
switch, still mounted on a segment of the back panel, all nicely 
framed.  I later saw it on the wall of his den where he kept his Mac
Pro, of which I was jealous.

-- 
John Varela

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#119193

Davoud:
> > Remember when software had printed manuals? How about a 2,000 page
> > manual? <https://www.flickr.com/photos/primeval/44956561934>

Alan Browne:
> In a way those nice fat manuals at least gave you the impression you 
> were getting a lot for your big fat payment.

In no way were they meant to give that impression. Final Cut Studio was
a complex suite of applications. That's why it was so hefty. Having a
printed manual made it much easier to flip through and mark important
sections.

As for the payment, the retail cost of the suite was $2,000. But Apple
were more generous in their organizational discounts back then: 50% off
Apple-brand software. So my price would have been $1,000. But they also
had a promo going, $300 off for the entire suite (as opposed to buying
only FCP or DVD Studio Pro). My cost for the suite was $700.

> Further, it was a good indication that there was hell of a lot of good 
> stuff in the package.

There was, indeed. In those days nearly half the programs on TV were
made with Final Cut Pro. And it did all right in Hollywood, as well
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Cut_Pro#Major_films_edited_with_Fin
al_Cut_Pro>.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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