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  Beach Ball Blues Again csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2018-06-04 09:06 -0700
    Re: Beach Ball Blues Again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-04 12:11 -0400
    Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 10:41 -0700
      Re: Beach Ball Blues Again csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2018-06-06 10:22 -0700
        Re: Beach Ball Blues Again dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-07 13:49 +1200
          Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-06-07 07:05 -0700
            Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-08 09:00 -0700
    Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-04 18:20 +0000
    Re: Beach Ball Blues Again gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 14:40 -0700
      Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 14:50 -0700
    Re: Beach Ball Blues Again "Tyrone F. Horneigh" <Nunya@Business.net> - 2018-06-04 19:26 -0400
      Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-05 00:22 -0700
    Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Elden <usenet@moondog.org> - 2018-06-04 19:04 -0700
    Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:02 +0000
    Re: Beach Ball Blues Again csampson@inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) - 2018-06-06 10:18 -0700
      Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2018-06-06 11:33 -0700
        Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 09:20 +1200
          Re: Beach Ball Blues Again nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-06 17:40 -0400
        Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-07 01:03 +0000
          Re: Beach Ball Blues Again nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2018-06-07 05:28 -0600
            Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-07 16:36 +0000
          Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-17 17:38 +0000
      Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-07 00:53 +0000
        Re: Beach Ball Blues Again Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-07 08:56 -0700

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#116999 — Beach Ball Blues Again

I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
launching an application.

Any ideas?

By "newish" I mean less than one year old. I posted a similar question
around four years ago, but I was running a way-outdated system on an old
computer then.

Charlie
-- 
Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)

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#117000

In article <1npv4w3.vm5nuo12yd9scN%csampson@inetworld.net>, Charles H.
Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:

> I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
> iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
> user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
> but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
> launching an application.
> 
> Any ideas?

most likely, the hard drive is failing.

if it's newish, take it to an apple store.

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#117001

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 9:06:44 AM UTC-7, Charles H. Sampson wrote:
> I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
> iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
> user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
> but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
> launching an application.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> By "newish" I mean less than one year old. I posted a similar question
> around four years ago, but I was running a way-outdated system on an old
> computer then.
> 
> Charlie
> -- 
> Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
> But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
> all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
> But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)



Snit 'The Moron' Glasser failed to give a case study of an effective enterprise that has gained its position by not giving a shit about its customers and wares. Snit 'The Moron' Glasser is a fool... folks have blocked his auto-posts. What he really needs is a bot that keeps switching names, then the auto-posts have a chance at being a fraction as idiotic as he is. 

Snit 'The Moron' Glasser lies that he uses ChromeOS, while he never works with it to get any real work done and fully played with it. 

Your system will crawl while this takes place. I just use score: -9999 and do not see the flooding. Snit 'The Moron' Glasser's crap has made an absolute ruin of my scripting via Google Groups, so I don't even bother browsing other threads with my client anymore. A good thing he has accomplished with this flooding is that the Snit 'The Moron' Glasser plonk has been shown to be the right choice. His desire is to see me irritated by idiotic lying. And hey, that could happen. 

Contrary to Snit 'The Moron' Glasser's claim that he has "no enthusiasm in making a spam bot" (a lie as illustrated by the fact that he slammed Steve Petruzzellis's site) he was seen asking others how they would automate posting through Google Groups. Steve Petruzzellis's computer has more cores than Snit 'The Moron' Glasser's. Steve Petruzzellis wins. Snit 'The Moron' Glasser loses. So take that, Snit 'The Moron' Glasser. 



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#117128

Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 9:06:44 AM UTC-7, Charles H. Sampson wrote:
> > I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
> > iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
> > user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
> > but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
> > launching an application.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > By "newish" I mean less than one year old. I posted a similar question
> > around four years ago, but I was running a way-outdated system on an old
> > computer then.
> > 
> > Charlie
> > -- 
> > Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
> > But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
> > all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
> > But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)
> 
> 
> 
> Snit 'The Moron' Glasser failed to give a case study of an effective
> enterprise that has gained its position by not giving a shit about its
> customers and wares. Snit 'The Moron' Glasser is a fool... folks have
> blocked his auto-posts. What he really needs is a bot that keeps switching
> names, then the auto-posts have a chance at being a fraction as idiotic as
> he is.
> 
> Snit 'The Moron' Glasser lies that he uses ChromeOS, while he never works
> with it to get any real work done and fully played with it.
> 
> Your system will crawl while this takes place. I just use score: -9999 and
> do not see the flooding. Snit 'The Moron' Glasser's crap has made an
> absolute ruin of my scripting via Google Groups, so I don't even bother
> browsing other threads with my client anymore. A good thing he has
> accomplished with this flooding is that the Snit 'The Moron' Glasser plonk
> has been shown to be the right choice. His desire is to see me irritated
> by idiotic lying. And hey, that could happen.
> 
> Contrary to Snit 'The Moron' Glasser's claim that he has "no enthusiasm in
> making a spam bot" (a lie as illustrated by the fact that he slammed Steve
> Petruzzellis's site) he was seen asking others how they would automate
> posting through Google Groups. Steve Petruzzellis's computer has more
> cores than Snit 'The Moron' Glasser's. Steve Petruzzellis wins. Snit 'The
> Moron' Glasser loses. So take that, Snit 'The Moron' Glasser.

I was surprised to see "Carroll" replying to my post, since he has been
in my kill file for quite some time. So I did a special retrieval of
this "reply". He remains in my kill file.

Charlie
-- 
Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)

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#117146

Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:

> I was surprised to see "Carroll" replying to my post, since he has been
> in my kill file for quite some time. So I did a special retrieval of
> this "reply". He remains in my kill file.

This "Steve Caroll" apears to be an autoreply bot which is generating
random followups with somewhat random content including piecing together
references to other posts and people.

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dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#117163

On 2018-06-06 6:49 PM, David Empson wrote:
> Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> 
>> I was surprised to see "Carroll" replying to my post, since he has been
>> in my kill file for quite some time. So I did a special retrieval of
>> this "reply". He remains in my kill file.
> 
> This "Steve Caroll" apears to be an autoreply bot which is generating
> random followups with somewhat random content including piecing together
> references to other posts and people.
> 

It's $nit.

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#117177

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 7:05:10 AM UTC-7, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2018-06-06 6:49 PM, David Empson wrote:
> > Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> I was surprised to see "Carroll" replying to my post, since he has been
> >> in my kill file for quite some time. So I did a special retrieval of
> >> this "reply". He remains in my kill file.
> > 
> > This "Steve Caroll" apears to be an autoreply bot which is generating
> > random followups with somewhat random content including piecing together
> > references to other posts and people.
> > 
> 
> It's $nit.



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#117003

On 2018-06-04, Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
> iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
> user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
> but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
> launching an application.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> By "newish" I mean less than one year old. I posted a similar question
> around four years ago, but I was running a way-outdated system on an old
> computer then.

The first diagnostic step you should take is to look at
/Applications/Utilities/Activity Monitor during the beach ball to see
what app or apps are using resources (CPU/RAM/etc).

Also, you should run /Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility to verify the
integrity of your startup volume.

Report back here with your findings.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#117012

On 2018-06-04 16:06:37 +0000, Charles H. Sampson said:

> I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
> iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
> user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
> but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
> launching an application.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> By "newish" I mean less than one year old. I posted a similar question
> around four years ago, but I was running a way-outdated system on an old
> computer then.
> 
> Charlie

Another think you might try is to open Activity Monitor to find out 
what, if anything, is gobbling up cycles.

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#117013

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 2:40:37 PM UTC-7, gtr wrote:
> On 2018-06-04 16:06:37 +0000, Charles H. Sampson said:
> 
> > I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
> > iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
> > user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
> > but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
> > launching an application.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > By "newish" I mean less than one year old. I posted a similar question
> > around four years ago, but I was running a way-outdated system on an old
> > computer then.
> > 
> > Charlie
> 
> Another think you might try is to open Activity Monitor to find out 
> what, if anything, is gobbling up cycles.



Steve Carroll gave back what he gets from The Holy Ghost some, big fscking deal. Why be a howling bitch about it? It was The Holy Ghost who flooded Steve Carroll's site thousands of times and denied it. Now why the added need to debug JavaScript via direct input in a mobile system? No matter, he didn't suggest this as part of his never ending expansion of 'requirements'. 

They insist searching for a recommendation for an RMS-approved application is trolling. One guy reported The Holy Ghost years ago. As expected, it did diddly-squat to attenuate the boob. The Holy Ghost wants to hurt the whole group: If he and his shills can't have dominate conversations here then his flooding crap will. I suspect The Holy Ghost does not even know what is wrong with Alex Jones. 

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#117017

On 6/4/18 12:06 PM, Charles H. Sampson wrote:
> I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
> iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
> user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
> but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
> launching an application.

Assuming it is a standard HD (not an SSD) it could be as simple as the 
HD powering down after 20 minutes or so.  Disable that in the Energy 
Saver settings.  Something to check before taking it to Apple

The only time I see the spinning disk is when the HD has gone to sleep.

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#117037

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 4:26:09 PM UTC-7, Tyrone F. Horneigh wrote:
> On 6/4/18 12:06 PM, Charles H. Sampson wrote:
> > I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
> > iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
> > user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
> > but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
> > launching an application.
> 
> Assuming it is a standard HD (not an SSD) it could be as simple as the 
> HD powering down after 20 minutes or so.  Disable that in the Energy 
> Saver settings.  Something to check before taking it to Apple
> 
> The only time I see the spinning disk is when the HD has gone to sleep.



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In article <fmre6tF8stoU3@mid.individual.net>, Snit wrote:

>> Steve Carroll (Snit):
>> For most I would say the comment is worth looking into. Of course,
>> given that it's chrisv I would ignore that doubt and go straight
>> to 'lie' because that's most of what chrisv does. Meaning no
>> evidence is required to deem it dishonest. So what's chrisv's
>> system for the flooding deluge? AppleScript? That is the only tool
>> he knows, isn't it? He must be abusing it to create these goofy
>> "obsession" garbage posts. My hypothesis, chrisv took Steven
>> Petruzzellis's code that he stole and pretended was his... he's
>> feeding it Steven Petruzzellis's posts, grabbing offensive
>> paragraphs, then altering those using automated reinforcement
>> learning and then he hand posts them because his insomnia enables
>> him to do that practically endlessly.
>
>> The content is a bunch of randomized bullshit. That points to one
>> person. Real discussion will be destroyed once the trolls
>> overpopulate. That, and there will always be a butthurt insomniac
>> or two in an open news group (hint: chrisv). The specifics of the
>> bullshit aside, we have all seen who routinely gets angry when he
>> does not get a response.
>
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>
> Why do you link to Sandman's FB page? And you do so in the same post
> you point to a link to his trolling.

> Why? Did he leave COLA because of you?

So cute, Snit thinks he can make me leave COLA :)

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#117026

On Jun 4, 2018, Charles H. Sampson wrote:

> I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
> iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
> user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
> but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
> launching an application.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> By "newish" I mean less than one year old. I posted a similar question
> around four years ago, but I was running a way-outdated system on an old
> computer then.
>
> Charlie

Do a fresh install of the current version of macOS and see if the problem 
persists. And stop using Chrome.

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#117051

In message <1npv4w3.vm5nuo12yd9scN%csampson@inetworld.net> Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:
> I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
> iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
> user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
> but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
> launching an application.

What does Activity Monitor say? especially for Memory Pressure and for
CPU.

> Any ideas?

Many, but they all require far more information about your hardware.
Drive type, size, amount of RAM, number of open apps and which ones,
number of cores, processor class (i5? i7?).

> By "newish" I mean less than one year old. I posted a similar question
> around four years ago, but I was running a way-outdated system on an old
> computer then.

Is there a *good* reason you are not running 10.13?

When was the last time you did a shift-boot?

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#117127

Charles H. Sampson <csampson@inetworld.net> wrote:

> I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
> iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
> user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
> but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
> launching an application.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> By "newish" I mean less than one year old. I posted a similar question
> around four years ago, but I was running a way-outdated system on an old
> computer then.

I got a lot of good responses. Thanks to all. For the record, I had
checked Disk Utility and Activity Monitor. Neither showed any particular
problem.

It appears that 10.12.6 has a memory leak. When the problem got
unbearable, I rebooted the system and it has gone away. My guess of a
memory leak could explain the problem because of many VM swaps required
to do anything at all.

Charlie
-- 
Nobody in this country got rich on his own.  You built a factory--good.
But you moved your goods on roads we all paid for.  You hired workers we
all paid to educate. So keep a big hunk of the money from your factory.
But take a hunk and pay it forward.  Elizabeth Warren (paraphrased)

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#117130

On 06-Jun-2018, Charles H. Sampson wrote
(in article<1npyxqq.1tv9cb81n1pqc8N%csampson@inetworld.net>):

> Charles H. Sampson<csampson@inetworld.net>  wrote:
>
> > I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
> > iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
> > user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
> > but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
> > launching an application.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > By "newish" I mean less than one year old. I posted a similar question
> > around four years ago, but I was running a way-outdated system on an old
> > computer then.
>
> I got a lot of good responses. Thanks to all. For the record, I had
> checked Disk Utility and Activity Monitor. Neither showed any particular
> problem.
>
> It appears that 10.12.6 has a memory leak. When the problem got
> unbearable, I rebooted the system and it has gone away. My guess of a
> memory leak could explain the problem because of many VM swaps required
> to do anything at all.
>
> Charlie

I has a friend struggle with 10.12 on his bulked out development iMac. He'd 
have Xcode and a bunch of stuff open, trying to develop and debug his iphone 
app and he'd get all sorts of weird problems. Rebooting helped until the 
problem happened again.

I'm running 10.10 and I can go a week on my 32GB MacPro before it starts 
creating VM files. It was worse when I only had 14GB. The Kernel task just 
keeps growing and growing until you reboot. I dumped 10.11 because it was 
much worse.

My linux servers can stay up for months without issue, busily humming away 
doing chip design stuff. My mac needs to be rebooted regularly to clear out 
cruft. I guess Apple does not test for this.

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#117134

On 2018-06-06 18:33:06 +0000, Percival John Hackworth said:
> On 06-Jun-2018, Charles H. Sampson wrote
> (in article<1npyxqq.1tv9cb81n1pqc8N%csampson@inetworld.net>):
>> Charles H. Sampson<csampson@inetworld.net>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm seeing a lot of spinning beach balls (or pinwheels) on my newish
>>> iMac running 10.12.6. These are close to disabling at times, forcing the
>>> user to do something else while waiting. They appear most often in Word,
>>> but Chrome isn't far behind. Sometimes they appear as Finder is
>>> launching an application.
>>> 
>>> Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> By "newish" I mean less than one year old. I posted a similar question
>>> around four years ago, but I was running a way-outdated system on an old
>>> computer then.
>> 
>> I got a lot of good responses. Thanks to all. For the record, I had
>> checked Disk Utility and Activity Monitor. Neither showed any particular
>> problem.
>> 
>> It appears that 10.12.6 has a memory leak. When the problem got
>> unbearable, I rebooted the system and it has gone away. My guess of a
>> memory leak could explain the problem because of many VM swaps required
>> to do anything at all.
> 
> I has a friend struggle with 10.12 on his bulked out development iMac. He'd
> have Xcode and a bunch of stuff open, trying to develop and debug his iphone
> app and he'd get all sorts of weird problems. Rebooting helped until the
> problem happened again.
> 
> I'm running 10.10 and I can go a week on my 32GB MacPro before it starts
> creating VM files. It was worse when I only had 14GB. The Kernel task just
> keeps growing and growing until you reboot. I dumped 10.11 because it was
> much worse.
> 
> My linux servers can stay up for months without issue, busily humming away
> doing chip design stuff. My mac needs to be rebooted regularly to clear out
> cruft. I guess Apple does not test for this.

Servers are doing almost nothing running bascially one "app" (the 
server) - they sit there waiting for a file request, and then send that 
file. On the other hand a desktop / laptop computer is doing 
*everything* and running multiple apps ... at least until the computer 
industry moves back to dumb terminals running everything in the 'cloud'.

Web browsers are often especially bad at having memory leaks. Problems 
are also often caused by people simply not quitting apps they have 
finished using, so they end up with lots of apps all using up "memory" 
(real or virtual).

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#117136

In article <pf9j7o$1ss9$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> >> It appears that 10.12.6 has a memory leak. When the problem got
> >> unbearable, I rebooted the system and it has gone away. My guess of a
> >> memory leak could explain the problem because of many VM swaps required
> >> to do anything at all.
> > 
> > I has a friend struggle with 10.12 on his bulked out development iMac. He'd
> > have Xcode and a bunch of stuff open, trying to develop and debug his iphone
> > app and he'd get all sorts of weird problems. Rebooting helped until the
> > problem happened again.
> > 
> > I'm running 10.10 and I can go a week on my 32GB MacPro before it starts
> > creating VM files. It was worse when I only had 14GB. The Kernel task just
> > keeps growing and growing until you reboot. I dumped 10.11 because it was
> > much worse.
> > 
> > My linux servers can stay up for months without issue, busily humming away
> > doing chip design stuff. My mac needs to be rebooted regularly to clear out
> > cruft. I guess Apple does not test for this.
> 
> Servers are doing almost nothing running bascially one "app" (the 
> server) - they sit there waiting for a file request, and then send that 
> file. On the other hand a desktop / laptop computer is doing 
> *everything* and running multiple apps ... at least until the computer 
> industry moves back to dumb terminals running everything in the 'cloud'.

servers run more than one app and are often under higher load than a
desktop/laptop, which is usually waiting on the human to type or click.

> Web browsers are often especially bad at having memory leaks. Problems 
> are also often caused by people simply not quitting apps they have 
> finished using, so they end up with lots of apps all using up "memory" 
> (real or virtual).

it's paged out, so not an issue.

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#117141

On 2018-06-06, Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:
>
> I has a friend struggle with 10.12 on his bulked out development iMac. He'd 
> have Xcode and a bunch of stuff open, trying to develop and debug his iphone 
> app and he'd get all sorts of weird problems. Rebooting helped until the 
> problem happened again.
>
> I'm running 10.10 and I can go a week on my 32GB MacPro before it starts 
> creating VM files. It was worse when I only had 14GB. The Kernel task just 
> keeps growing and growing until you reboot. I dumped 10.11 because it was 
> much worse.

I do software development and more on multiple Macs running different
versions of macOS that go weeks or months between restarts, where the
main reason for the restarts is often system updates. The most
problematic out of all of them is the one running El Capitan (can't
upgrade past that without significant hacks, unfortunately). The ones
running High Sierra are quite stable and issue-free in general. 

> My linux servers can stay up for months without issue, busily humming
> away doing chip design stuff. My mac needs to be rebooted regularly to
> clear out cruft. 

That's no surprise. Linux is primarily geared for serving (as opposed to
desktop) where special attention has been paid to resource management
and throughput. macOS is a desktop OS first, where restarting
occasionally isn't as big of a deal. Apple should still strive for
efficiency and robustness; but you should compare apples to apples. How
does macOS stack up compared with another desktop OS like Windows, for
instance, in terms of memory management, stability, and so on? I'd say
it stacks up pretty fucking well in general.

> I guess Apple does not test for this.

They do. macOS is much more of a moving target though, with desktop
workstation rather than high end server priorities.

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#117161

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> The ones running High Sierra are quite stable and issue-free in general.

What hardware are your running High Sierra on? I had small but annoying
problems running it on a 2012 Mac mini i7. 

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