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| Started by | "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> |
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| First post | 2015-03-28 04:10 +0000 |
| Last post | 2015-03-29 09:22 -0400 |
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Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-28 04:10 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-28 00:20 -0400
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-28 05:49 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-28 02:44 -0400
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-28 16:58 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-28 15:40 -0400
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-29 00:53 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-29 01:44 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-29 02:18 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-29 03:07 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-29 01:51 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-28 22:41 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Mel Bourne <noabode@none.zero> - 2015-03-29 06:10 +0700
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-03-28 19:53 -0400
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "The_Chris" <TheChris@nospam.gmail.com> - 2015-03-28 07:32 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-03-28 06:44 -0300
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-03-28 08:10 -0400
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-28 15:42 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-03-28 10:45 -0500
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> - 2015-03-28 16:53 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-03-29 08:30 -0400
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2015-03-29 13:23 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> - 2015-03-29 12:59 -0400
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-29 18:07 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-29 15:06 -0400
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> - 2015-03-29 14:15 -0500
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 17:39 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> - 2015-03-29 16:40 -0700
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-28 15:12 -0400
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> - 2015-03-29 16:43 -0300
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-30 03:08 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-30 10:04 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> - 2015-03-28 15:40 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Mel Bourne <noabode@none.zero> - 2015-03-29 05:36 +0700
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? "The_Chris" <TheChris@nospam.gmail.com> - 2015-03-29 08:28 +0000
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Mel Bourne <noabode@none.zero> - 2015-03-29 18:08 +0700
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Buster Friendly <lah@de.da.ru.ru> - 2015-03-29 08:52 -0400
Re: Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-29 09:22 -0400
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| From | "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 04:10 +0000 |
| Subject | Have you ever had a public VPN rat on you when downloading torrents? |
| Message-ID | <mf59k0$hjm$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
I am just looking for user experience since I can easily guess what happens when you use public free vpn server to download torrents. The CDMA can either: a) Do nothing (if they know the free vpn provider will do nothing), b) Or send the takedown notice to the free vpn server company, c) Or have the vpn server company rat on your IP address. I'm sure each of those happens, but I am just wondering what YOUR collective experience has been when you use one of the many free vpn servers out there on the interweb.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 00:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <55162c0b$0$42774$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #72203 |
On 15-03-28 00:10, Maraela J. wrote: > I am just looking for user experience since I can easily guess what > happens when you use public free vpn server to download torrents. The copyright troll only sees the IP address used to access the tracker. They do a WHOIS on the IP and finds that it belongs to company X. They send takedown notice to that company. Unclear to me what the USA law requires from that point. Either company X states they are merely a carrier and not responsible for that user and unable to correlate customer ID to IP address, or they would have to forward the request to the owner of the IP address that established the VPN (your ISP).
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| From | "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 05:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf5fdu$sho$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #72205 |
JF Mezei wrote: > The copyright troll only sees the IP address used to access the tracker. > They do a WHOIS on the IP and finds that it belongs to company X. They > send takedown notice to that company JF, I googled using your keywords and found this description of events: http://dietrolldie.com/2013/06/20/what-to-do-when-notified-of-possible-online-copyright-infringement/ It says the copyright trolls do one of two things: 1. They email your ISP who emails you and tells you to stop doing it, or, 2. The subphoena the ISP for your name and address. They mentioned the Bellwether trial, so, googling for it, I found this: https://phillylawblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/2013-6-19-bellwether-memorandum-opinion.pdf Here are five takeaways from that trial: https://phillylawblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/11/the-bellwether-trial-malibu-media-v-does-what-have-we-learned-my-five-takeaways-from-the-trial/
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 02:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <55164dd1$0$64301$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #72208 |
On 15-03-28 01:49, Maraela J. wrote: > 1. They email your ISP who emails you and tells you to stop doing it, or, > 2. The subphoena the ISP for your name and address. No, the email or subpoena the company to whom the IP address you used was assigned. If you access torrents via a VPN, you are accessing the torrent with an IP address that was assigned to the VPN company and that is to whom the letter from trolls will go to. If you have a paid account with the VPN company, it would be able to identify you and forward the troll's threat to you or respond to subpoena. But if this is an open/free VPN service, the best they can do is repond to copyright trolls "the IP you gave us was used as a VPN, It originaled from IP address a.b.c.d go and big the owners of a.b.c.d instead
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| From | "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 16:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf6mk7$jhr$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #72205 |
Dave wrote: > Check here for explanation of "dns leaks". > https://www.dnsleaktest.com/what-is-a-dns-leak.html I'm confused. My router is set for DNS to go through the Google servers (eg 8.8.8.8). I ran the DNS leak test (https://www.dnsleaktest.com/) with and without VPN, and in all cases, the result showed Google servers in the USA (even with an out of country VPN service). The explanation at the bottom of the DNS Leak page says "If you are connected to a VPN service and ANY of the servers listed above are not provided by the VPN service then you have a DNS leak." So, I have a DNS leak. I think that means that, even when connected to VPN, my port 53 DNS requests bypass the VPN as shown in the diagram here https://www.dnsleaktest.com/what-is-a-dns-leak.html I thank you for pointing my DNS leak out, as I was unaware. But what do I do about it? How do I tell the VPN to do the DNS lookup for me?
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 15:40 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <551703a2$0$24450$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #72232 |
On 15-03-28 12:58, Maraela J. wrote: > So, I have a DNS leak. > I think that means that, even when connected to VPN, my port 53 DNS > requests bypass the VPN as shown in the diagram here > https://www.dnsleaktest.com/what-is-a-dns-leak.html Depends on where the VPN is established. Here is an example of a DSN leak: Deskup gets its true IP address from the LAN (often the router). Say it is 10.0.0.50/8. The default route is the router's IP address (say 10.0.0.1) However, in the routing table, 10.*.*.* is in the same subnet and thus does not use any route or VPN. When you establish a VPN on the desktop a new interface with its own IP address is created. That IP address is provided by the VPN server. The default route then points to a router at the other end of the VPN tunnel. However, packets destined for your LAN will still use the first interface with ip 10.0.0.50 and travel locally on LAN, outside the VPN. If your desktop has a hardwired DNS server 8.8.8.8, this IP address is outside the LAN so it will use the default route and go via the VPN tunnel. No leak. If your desktop uses DHCP which is provided by your router, there are 2 possibilities: -the router provides the ISP's DNS server in the DHCP response. In this case, that IP address is not part of the LAN and will thus travel via the VPN and return to your ISP via the outside and may be blocked by your ISP. You would need to create a route to funnel that IP range thorugh your original interface outside of the VPN, and this would create a leak. -the router acts as a DNS proxy. It feeds its own IP to your desktop and relays your DNS requests to the IP that was provisioned by the ISP when the router did its DHCP/PPPoE to the ISP. In this case, your desktop has a local DNS server address (that of your router) and will send all DNS requests to your router locally. The router then forwards those to your ISP via the normal link. This is a DNS link since those DNS requests do not travel via VPN. Visible IP address from the VPN provider Desktop gets its VPN desktop IP 10.0.0.50 , mask 10.255.255.255 has VPN setup, and default route points to it. A desktop DNS resolver configured to access 8.8.8.8 will route the request via the VPN link since 8.8.8.8 is not part of the local 10.0.0.0/8 netmask. No leak involved. De desktop DSN resolver configured to access a local DNS server at 10.0.0.60 will route DNS requests to the local server. That local server accesses the internet regularly without VPN access, hence the DNS leak. Another example: your desktop is configured to treat your router as DNS server. (with your router dong the proxy DNS serving, using DHCP provided DSN server as resolvers. In this instance, your desktop
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| From | "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-29 00:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf7iea$mje$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #72232 |
Maraela J. wrote: > I ran the DNS leak test (https://www.dnsleaktest.com/) with and without > VPN, and in all cases, the result showed Google servers in the USA (even > with an out of country VPN service). Now, when I go to https://www.dnsleaktest.com/, it's saying, without VPN, that I'm going to my ISP's DNS servers (and it's no longer going to the Google 8.8.8.8 DNS server). I'm not sure what I did to make it do that; but at least, under VPN Reactor free public VPN, it doesn't leak anymore as it says that I'm using the VPN Reactor DNS server. I'm just curious "how" I managed to kick out the Google DNS server of 8.8.8.8, when I didn't change the router setting (which still is set for 8.8.8.8).
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| From | "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-29 01:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf7ld3$slt$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #72286 |
Marek Novotny wrote: > I'd be most interested if you disabled dns-dnsmasq and then executed the > dig redhat.com command with and without the vpn. With dns-dnsmasq enabled... This is what I get with and without VPNREACTOR VPN: 1. https://www.dnsleaktest.com/ leaktest with and without VPN: http://i62.tinypic.com/2sblhlg.jpg WITHVPN: dns server is vpn dns server WITHOUTVPN: dns server is google dns server 2. dig with and without vpn reports the same thing: $ dig redhat.com|grep SERVER WITHOUTVPN: ;; SERVER: 127.0.1.1#53(127.0.1.1) WITHVPN: ;; SERVER: 127.0.1.1#53(127.0.1.1) With dns-dnsmasq disabled... This is what happens with and without VPNREACTOR VPN: 1. https://www.dnsleaktest.com/ leaktest with and without VPN: http://i60.tinypic.com/qxw3rk.jpg WITHVPN: dns server is optimal link corp (presumably from VPN) WITHOUTVPN: dns server is google dns server (from my home router) 2. dig with and without vpn: $ dig redhat.com|grep SERVER WITHOUTVPN: ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1 WITHVPN ;; SERVER: 216.230.224.34#53(216.230.224.34) Notice the only thing different is the result of the dig command between the first case (which is the default dns-dmasq set) and the second case (which is the dns-dmasq commented out). Can someone help me understand these results?
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| From | "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-29 02:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf7ncv$ql$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #72289 |
Marek Novotny wrote: > The problem is, we actually want to know via a script how it actually > got resolved. And we can't really do that if the middle man is in the > way. It's not that the middleman isn't doing the job well, it's that > having the middleman there at all makes it harder for us to see what the > actual resolver is. So fire the middleman and just run the script when > you use the VPN endpoint to see where you are resolving to. > > Make sense? Thanks Marek for explaining. Is this what you tried to tell me, paraphrased? 1. With /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf at the default, the dns=dnsmasq is set, which causes the local machine (127.0.1.1) to be the dns cache, which it resolves by going to the home broadband router, which tells it to get its DNS from Google's 8.8.8.8, which it does (but you don't see that happening in the DIG command). 2. With the #dns=dnsmasq commented out in a modified /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf file, the dns cache is now the home broadband router (192.168.1.1) which tells Ubuntu to go to the Google DNS server 8.8.8.8 by default. In this case, you can easily see that the DIG command is deferring to the router for its DNS server definition. 3. When I add the VPNReactor free public VPN to the first situation (#1 above), the VPN service takes over the job of DNS (which prevents DNS leaks); but you can't see that from a DIG command, because the DIG command still reports the localhost (127.0.1.1) as the DNS cache (because the dns=dnsmasq is enabled). 4. However, when I add VPNReactor free public VPN to the second situation (#2 above), since #dns=dnsmasq is disabled, it's easier to see that the DNS server is coming from the VPNReactor DNS server (216.230.224.34). Did I get that right yet?
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| From | "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-29 03:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf7q8k$604$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #72291 |
Maraela J. wrote:
> I have a few dozen free public VPN services set up, so, I will try a few
> of them to see if they all provide the DNS server.
>
> If not, I'll try to report back (but the setup from VPN to VPN takes
> time because the files aren't automatically configuring the openvpn on
> Ubuntu).
>
> For example, when I load any of the openvpn setup files from
> http://mofolinux.com/vpngate.html, I still have to modify the settings
> in order for all of them to take (but it's supposed to be automatic).
I tested a second free public VPN service (of dozens)...
With #dns=dnsmasq disabled in NetworkManager.conf, and using one of the
many mofolinux DNS servers for the USA, I get the following from DIG
(which is expected)
$ dig redhat.com | grep SERVER
;; SERVER: 10.211.254.254#53(10.211.254.254)
And, from the leaktest at https://www.dnsleaktest.com I get what appears
to be a DNS server assigned by that free public VPN service, which is a
good thing (I think).
http://i62.tinypic.com/257q89c.jpg
So, I think it's working the way it should in that 'dig' is reporting good
stuff, and the dns leaktest isn't showing any dns leaks.
$ vpntest.sh
ISP: AS31939 DirecPath, LLC
Country: US
Device IP: 10.211.1.17 (tun0)
External IP: 65.50.111.240
Default Route: 10.211.1.18
DNS IP: 10.211.254.254
DNS Name: public-gw.vpngate.net.
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| From | "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-29 01:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf7lqd$tii$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #72286 |
Marek Novotny wrote: > I've been testing this with the dns=dnsmasq disabled. When I do it that > way I get two different results for dig redhat.com. I also get different results for dig, depending on the situation: With dns-dnsmasq enabled...this is the result of "dig redhat.com": NO VPN: SERVER: 127.0.1.1#53(127.0.1.1) WITH VPN: SERVER: 127.0.1.1#53(127.0.1.1) With dns-dnsmasq commented out...this is the result: NO VPN: SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) WITH VPN: SERVER: 216.230.224.34#53(216.230.224.34) I don't understand what is going on at all (sorry). Do you?
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| From | "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 22:41 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf7anc$4sm$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #72205 |
Dan Purgert wrote: > Ubuntu (and by extension, Mint) is set up to use a local resolver as > part of Network Manager / dnsmasq by default. In theory, this is > supposed to help the computer when it's part of a split horizon setup, > and will only ask a VPN server about hosts that're in the subnet(s) > contained within the VPN. > > To turn it off, edit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf, and > comment out the line "dns=dnsmasq". Then restart Network Manager. I'm confused, so, I need to take this new information slowly. My dnsmasq line is currently not commented out: $ cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf | grep dnsmasq => dns=dnsmasq Before I comment it out, I'm trying to understand this new concept to me of how a port 53 DNS request typically goes from my laptop to my router to my transceiver to the Internet (with and without a VPN public server in the mix). Before I saw this dnsmasq stuff, I was reading the instructions here: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using Should I follow the Google instructions, or the dnsmasq instructions in order to prevent DNS leaks while on a free public VPN server?
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| From | Mel Bourne <noabode@none.zero> |
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| Date | 2015-03-29 06:10 +0700 |
| Message-ID | <mf7cd3$8rm$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #72273 |
On 03/29/2015 05:41 AM, Maraela J. wrote: > Should I follow the Google instructions, or the dnsmasq instructions > in order to prevent DNS leaks while on a free public VPN server? http://www.freelan.org/#
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 19:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mf7erf$meb$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72279 |
Mel Bourne wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: > On 03/29/2015 05:41 AM, Maraela J. wrote: > >> Should I follow the Google instructions, or the dnsmasq instructions >> in order to prevent DNS leaks while on a free public VPN server? > > http://www.freelan.org/# "Mel Bourne". Heh heh. -- I am a bookaholic. If you are a decent person, you will not sell me another book.
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| From | "The_Chris" <TheChris@nospam.gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 07:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf5lfb$fpp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #72203 |
In alt.os.linux.ubuntu Maraela J. <Maraelaj@example.com> wrote: > I am just looking for user experience since I can easily guess what > happens when you use public free vpn server to download torrents. > > The CDMA can either: > a) Do nothing (if they know the free vpn provider will do nothing), > b) Or send the takedown notice to the free vpn server company, > c) Or have the vpn server company rat on your IP address. > > I'm sure each of those happens, but I am just wondering what YOUR > collective experience has been when you use one of the many free vpn > servers out there on the interweb. Well, if you're using a public free one, you're getting what you pay for.. It's worth it to me to pay the $4.95 a month for peace of mind. They haven't ratted on me, but, they tell me when people are nosing around. I'm using HMA (Hide My Ass)
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| From | "Dirk T. Verbeek" <dverbeek@xs4all.nl> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 06:44 -0300 |
| Message-ID | <55167818$0$2938$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #72212 |
Op 28-03-15 om 04:32 schreef The_Chris: > In alt.os.linux.ubuntu Maraela J. <Maraelaj@example.com> wrote: >> I am just looking for user experience since I can easily guess what >> happens when you use public free vpn server to download torrents. >> >> The CDMA can either: >> a) Do nothing (if they know the free vpn provider will do nothing), >> b) Or send the takedown notice to the free vpn server company, >> c) Or have the vpn server company rat on your IP address. >> >> I'm sure each of those happens, but I am just wondering what YOUR >> collective experience has been when you use one of the many free vpn >> servers out there on the interweb. > > Well, if you're using a public free one, you're getting what you pay > for.. > > It's worth it to me to pay the $4.95 a month for peace of mind. > > They haven't ratted on me, but, they tell me when people are nosing > around. > > I'm using HMA (Hide My Ass) > Make no difference if you pay, they are registered at a certain jurisdiction and will follow local law, in the US and some other DCMA/ACTA-like places they will pass on your originating IP.
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| From | "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 08:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <sd6dha5ee5elf4ugecn8gsp4e0c0m6j7sc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #72219 |
Per Dirk T. Verbeek: >Make no difference if you pay, they are registered at a certain >jurisdiction and will follow local law, in the US and some other >DCMA/ACTA-like places they will pass on your originating IP. Somewhere I read a rating comparison of several VPN services and, rightly or wrongly, I came away with the impression that some VPN services actually cannot supply the user's IP - they just don't have the data. IIRC PrivateInternetAccess was one of those - and also one of the most highly-rated. Can somebody who knows something comment? -- Pete Cresswell
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| From | "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 15:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mf6i5t$8sq$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #72221 |
(PeteCresswell) wrote: > Can somebody who knows something comment? Which VPN Services Take Your Anonymity Seriously? http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/ They asked the VPN services these questions: 1. Do you keep ANY logs which would allow you to match an IP-address and a time stamp to a user of your service? If so, exactly what information do you hold and for how long? 2. Under what jurisdictions does your company operate and under what exact circumstances will you share the information you hold with a 3rd party? 3. What tools are used to monitor and mitigate abuse of your service? 4. In the event you receive a DMCA takedown notice or European equivalent, how are these handled? 5. What steps are taken when a valid court order requires your company to identify an active user of your service? 6. Is BitTorrent and other file-sharing traffic allowed on all servers? If not, why? 7. Which payment systems do you use and how are these linked to individual user accounts? 8. What is the most secure VPN connection and encryption algorithm you would recommend to your users?
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| From | "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 10:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <20150328104542.54fe8bea@wizardstower> |
| In reply to | #72226 |
On Sat, 28 Mar 2015 15:42:53 +0000 (UTC) "Maraela J." <Maraelaj@example.com> wrote: > 4. In the event you receive a DMCA takedown notice or European > equivalent, how are these handled? Russian government doesn't send DMCA takedown notices. They just take you down. Cybe R. Wizard -- Nice computers don't go down. Larry Niven, Steven Barnes "The Barsoom Project"
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-03-28 16:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <IYyJm6lyxtFVFw3i@soft255.demon.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #72226 |
In message <mf6i5t$8sq$2@speranza.aioe.org>, Maraela J. <Maraelaj@example.com> writes: [] >2. Under what jurisdictions does your company operate and under what exact >circumstances will you share the information you hold with a 3rd party? [] >4. In the event you receive a DMCA takedown notice or European equivalent, >how are these handled? > >5. What steps are taken when a valid court order requires your company to >identify an active user of your service? [] I suspect these are pointless questions to ask, since it is my understanding that sometimes, the judicial "request" is accompanied by an injunction not to reveal that it has been made, or anything about it. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Being punctual makes people think you have nothing to do.
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