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What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone?

Started bySage <sage@mail.invalid>
First post2015-01-27 04:39 +0000
Last post2015-01-28 22:43 +0000
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  What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 04:39 +0000
    Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-27 00:11 -0500
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Godzilla <godzilla@lizardboss.invalid> - 2015-01-27 05:18 +0000
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-27 16:32 -0500
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-27 16:39 -0500
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 22:20 +0000
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-27 18:55 -0500
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 01:54 +0000
    Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-01-27 02:27 -0500
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-27 03:51 -0500
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? victor davis <vic@this.is.not.real.com> - 2015-01-27 10:44 +0000
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-01-27 11:14 -0500
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-27 10:30 -0600
              Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 17:51 +0000
              Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-01-27 12:54 -0500
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-01-28 09:34 +1300
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 22:21 +0000
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-27 16:25 -0600
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 03:17 +0000
              Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-28 22:36 +0000
    Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? ". . .winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2015-01-27 03:56 -0500
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 10:45 +0000
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-01-27 12:28 +0100
    Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-27 01:29 -0800
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-01-27 10:05 +0000
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2015-01-27 11:50 +0000
    Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-01-27 12:31 +0000
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 17:39 +0000
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-27 11:46 -0600
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 17:57 +0000
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hartman@gmail.com> - 2015-01-27 19:20 +0000
              Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 22:24 +0000
                Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 03:26 +0000
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-01-27 15:18 -0500
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-01-28 08:20 +0000
    Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-27 08:58 -0500
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2015-01-27 10:00 -0600
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-01-27 11:18 -0500
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2015-01-27 11:23 -0500
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2015-01-27 11:36 -0600
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-01-27 16:32 +0000
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 18:00 +0000
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-01-27 16:45 -0500
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 22:30 +0000
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-01-28 03:53 +0000
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 04:47 +0000
    Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-27 14:06 +0000
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-01-27 15:10 +0100
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-27 14:24 +0000
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> - 2015-01-27 17:59 -0800
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-28 02:14 +0000
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 03:52 +0000
              Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> - 2015-01-28 15:53 -0800
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 18:15 +0000
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-01-27 16:50 -0500
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-28 00:58 +0000
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 03:38 +0000
              Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-01-28 08:49 +0000
                Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 10:06 +0000
                Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> - 2015-01-28 15:59 -0800
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-01-28 00:09 +0100
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 03:48 +0000
    Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-27 08:32 -0600
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-27 18:04 +0000
    Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-01-27 14:40 -0600
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-27 14:42 -0600
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Xyzzy the Magicat <usenetcats.xyzzyx@EATspamgourmet.com> - 2015-01-27 17:45 -0800
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Wildman <best_lay@yahoo.com> - 2015-01-27 22:09 -0600
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 04:53 +0000
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-28 08:52 -0500
            Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-01-28 08:07 -0600
              Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-01-28 09:16 -0500
                Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-28 22:44 +0000
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 03:56 +0000
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-01-27 14:49 -0600
    Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2015-01-28 05:24 +0700
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 04:59 +0000
    Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-28 00:53 +0000
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 05:06 +0000
      Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 05:12 +0000
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2015-01-28 11:35 +0100
          Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Sage <sage@mail.invalid> - 2015-01-28 14:20 +0000
        Re: What's the negative effect of changing the Time Zone? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-28 22:43 +0000

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#69120

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com>
Date2015-01-27 16:32 +0000
Message-ID<ma8ei4$br9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#69107
For your reference, records indicate that 
Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <ma74pu$ste$1@solani.org>, Sage <sage@mail.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > My "Time Zone" has almost 7 bits of identifying information.
> 
> No it doesn't.

Perhaps it does.  Panopticlick lists mine (Central US) as being 1.78 bits,
but I could easily see people being more identifiable if they lived in a
less populated zone like Hawaii or Alaska.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the Mac, or the other
newsgroups it’s been crossposted to.  My Mac is uniquely identifiable, and
I’m not going to bother trying to fix it.  Simply running a stock Debian
install (well, I did have to disable JavaScript with Iceweasel because it
breaks the Panopticlick web site) in a virtual machine drops it to 1 in
262K, and I’d be far better served tweaking that to be more common.


-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#69130

FromSage <sage@mail.invalid>
Date2015-01-27 18:00 +0000
Message-ID<ma8joq$e5t$2@solani.org>
In reply to#69120
Doc O'Leary wrote, on Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:32:04 +0000:

> Perhaps it does.  Panopticlick lists mine (Central US) as being 1.78 bits,
> but I could easily see people being more identifiable if they lived in a
> less populated zone like Hawaii or Alaska.

Why does your Panopticlick result indicate 1.78 bits of identifying
information, while mine, at the moment, indicates 7.28 bits?

$ firefox -url panopticlick.eff.org &
= Time Zone 7.28 bits of identifying information
= 1 in 154.91 browsers have this value
= value 480

I like your results much better.

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#69154

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2015-01-27 16:45 -0500
Message-ID<ma90tj$slj$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#69130
On 2015-01-27 18:00:58 +0000, Sage <sage@mail.invalid> said:

> Doc O'Leary wrote, on Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:32:04 +0000:
> 
>> Perhaps it does.  Panopticlick lists mine (Central US) as being 1.78 bits,
>> but I could easily see people being more identifiable if they lived in a
>> less populated zone like Hawaii or Alaska.
> 
> Why does your Panopticlick result indicate 1.78 bits of identifying
> information, while mine, at the moment, indicates 7.28 bits?
> 
> $ firefox -url panopticlick.eff.org &
> = Time Zone 7.28 bits of identifying information
> = 1 in 154.91 browsers have this value
> = value 480
> 
> I like your results much better.

I like ice cream... and I can't believe ANYONE is taking you seriously.
-- 
Q: How do you know when <NoBody@nowhere.com> is lying?  A: Ubiquitous 
<weberm@polaris.net> fingers are moving.
<NoBody@nowhere.com> reveals himself to be a sockpuppet of sickpuppy 
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3Cm3jcte%24pq1%241%40dont-email.me%3E

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#69163

FromSage <sage@mail.invalid>
Date2015-01-27 22:30 +0000
Message-ID<ma93i6$96t$7@solani.org>
In reply to#69154
FPP wrote, on Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:45:56 -0500:

> I like ice cream... and I can't believe ANYONE is taking you seriously.

We found the solution!
$ TZ=CET-1 firefox -url panopticlick.eff.org &

Which (now) says:
Time Zone = 2.6 bits of identifying information
One in 6.08 browsers have this value
Value = -60

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#69194

FromDoc O'Leary <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com>
Date2015-01-28 03:53 +0000
Message-ID<ma9mg5$9ia$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#69130
For your reference, records indicate that 
Sage <sage@mail.invalid> wrote:

> Doc O'Leary wrote, on Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:32:04 +0000:
> 
> > Perhaps it does.  Panopticlick lists mine (Central US) as being 1.78 bits,
> > but I could easily see people being more identifiable if they lived in a
> > less populated zone like Hawaii or Alaska.
> 
> Why does your Panopticlick result indicate 1.78 bits of identifying
> information, while mine, at the moment, indicates 7.28 bits?

For exactly the reason I described.  Perhaps for other reasons, too.  I
don’t know if Panopticlick does correlations to determine its bit counts,
but I could *easily* see how your trying to hide who you are might
actually make you stick out like a sore thumb.  As someone else said,
the vast majority of the people in your IP block *probably* share the
same time zone (likely matching that of your ISP).  So if you’re the
odd man out who wants to come in with CET-1, there’s potentially a lot
more identifying information floating out there than you realize.

-- 
"Also . . . I can kill you with my brain."
River Tam, Trash, Firefly

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#69197

FromSage <sage@mail.invalid>
Date2015-01-28 04:47 +0000
Message-ID<ma9pl7$cgb$9@solani.org>
In reply to#69194
Doc O'Leary wrote, on Wed, 28 Jan 2015 03:53:41 +0000:

> So if you’re the
> odd man out who wants to come in with CET-1, there’s potentially a lot
> more identifying information floating out there than you realize.

This is a fair assessment.

On the same token, when using the public VPN servers, most, if not all of
which allow you to choose a server in any desired country, one should
probably consider manually *matching* timezones.

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#69108

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-01-27 14:06 +0000
Message-ID<cipkboFe6gpU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#69088
On 2015-01-27, Sage <sage@mail.invalid> wrote:
> A different thread got me wondering how to bring down my 
> unique panopticlick ratio, by judicious setting improvements.
>
> My "Time Zone" has almost 7 bits of identifying information.
>
> Related questions to lowering the TZ bits:
> 1. Which time zone is the most common, world wide?

LOL! Really? : D

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JR

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#69110

FromPeter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de>
Date2015-01-27 15:10 +0100
Message-ID<ma8683$7up$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#69108
Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2015-01-27, Sage <sage@mail.invalid> wrote:
>> A different thread got me wondering how to bring down my
>> unique panopticlick ratio, by judicious setting improvements.
>>
>> My "Time Zone" has almost 7 bits of identifying information.
>>
>> Related questions to lowering the TZ bits:
>> 1. Which time zone is the most common, world wide?
> 
> LOL! Really? : D
> 

One wonders why that imbecile troll still receives so many responses. After 
all, he has tried under several different "names" to instigate long 
(overlong) threads. If that was all he wanted to achieve he even succeeded, 
even if he was clearly showing that he is incredibly stupid

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#69111

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-01-27 14:24 +0000
Message-ID<ciplchFe6gpU7@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#69110
On 2015-01-27, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> On 2015-01-27, Sage <sage@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>> A different thread got me wondering how to bring down my
>>> unique panopticlick ratio, by judicious setting improvements.
>>>
>>> My "Time Zone" has almost 7 bits of identifying information.
>>>
>>> Related questions to lowering the TZ bits:
>>> 1. Which time zone is the most common, world wide?
>> 
>> LOL! Really? : D
>> 
>
> One wonders why that imbecile troll still receives so many responses. After 
> all, he has tried under several different "names" to instigate long 
> (overlong) threads. If that was all he wanted to achieve he even succeeded, 
> even if he was clearly showing that he is incredibly stupid

For my own part, I do find him funny and entertaining. : D

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#69184

From"Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid>
Date2015-01-27 17:59 -0800
Message-ID<1a10vzkjqeohw.dlg@stumbler1907.invalid>
In reply to#69111
On 27 Jan 2015 14:24:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2015-01-27, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-01-27, Sage <sage@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>>> A different thread got me wondering how to bring down my
>>>> unique panopticlick ratio, by judicious setting improvements.
>>>>
>>>> My "Time Zone" has almost 7 bits of identifying information.
>>>>
>>>> Related questions to lowering the TZ bits:
>>>> 1. Which time zone is the most common, world wide?
>>> 
>>> LOL! Really? : D
>>> 
>>
>> One wonders why that imbecile troll still receives so many responses. After 
>> all, he has tried under several different "names" to instigate long 
>> (overlong) threads. If that was all he wanted to achieve he even succeeded, 
>> even if he was clearly showing that he is incredibly stupid
> 
> For my own part, I do find him funny and entertaining. : D

Up to a point, but my fatigue factor is approaching 7.28 bits.

-- 
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

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#69185

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2015-01-28 02:14 +0000
Message-ID<ciquvdFpgq1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#69184
On 2015-01-28, Gene E. Bloch <not-me@other.invalid> wrote:
> On 27 Jan 2015 14:24:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> On 2015-01-27, Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-01-27, Sage <sage@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> A different thread got me wondering how to bring down my
>>>>> unique panopticlick ratio, by judicious setting improvements.
>>>>>
>>>>> My "Time Zone" has almost 7 bits of identifying information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Related questions to lowering the TZ bits:
>>>>> 1. Which time zone is the most common, world wide?
>>>> 
>>>> LOL! Really? : D
>>>
>>> One wonders why that imbecile troll still receives so many responses. After 
>>> all, he has tried under several different "names" to instigate long 
>>> (overlong) threads. If that was all he wanted to achieve he even succeeded, 
>>> even if he was clearly showing that he is incredibly stupid
>> 
>> For my own part, I do find him funny and entertaining. : D
>
> Up to a point, but my fatigue factor is approaching 7.28 bits.

: D 

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JR

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#69193

FromSage <sage@mail.invalid>
Date2015-01-28 03:52 +0000
Message-ID<ma9md5$cgb$7@solani.org>
In reply to#69184
Gene E. Bloch wrote, on Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:59:24 -0800:

> Up to a point, but my fatigue factor is approaching 7.28 bits.

Details do get difficult to master, as the solution set
gets more and more comprehensive, so it's undertandable
if you haven't been following the details closely.

The good news is that we've reduced the entropy for all 8 
fingerprinting items reported by panopticlick.eff.org 

1. User Agent
2. HTTP_ACCEPT Headers
3. Browser Plugin Details
4. Time Zone
5. Screen Size and Color Depth
6. System Fonts
7. Are Cookies Enabled?
8. Limited supercookie test

In addition, I'm now working on encrypting every web page with
(without resorting to VPN), even those that are unencrypted; but
that's a separate topic from fingerprinting.

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#69285

From"Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid>
Date2015-01-28 15:53 -0800
Message-ID<ufj90zm92l3t.dlg@stumbler1907.invalid>
In reply to#69193
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 03:52:05 +0000 (UTC), Sage wrote:

> Gene E. Bloch wrote, on Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:59:24 -0800:
> 
>> Up to a point, but my fatigue factor is approaching 7.28 bits.
> 
> Details do get difficult to master, as the solution set
> gets more and more comprehensive, so it's undertandable
> if you haven't been following the details closely.

Why do you say that?

It is true that I am not very concerned with the details, because I
think the whole venture is foolish. I'm following the thread for
psychiatric reasons only, or, more likely, for literary reasons.

Like following a sitcom, for instance.

-- 
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

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#69132

FromSage <sage@mail.invalid>
Date2015-01-27 18:15 +0000
Message-ID<ma8kj5$e5t$4@solani.org>
In reply to#69110
Peter Köhlmann wrote, on Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:10:43 +0100:

> One wonders why that imbecile troll still receives so many responses. After 
> all, he has tried under several different "names" to instigate long 
> (overlong) threads. If that was all he wanted to achieve he even succeeded, 
> even if he was clearly showing that he is incredibly stupid

The question is valid.
The purpose is valid.

You don't know the answer, and that's OK.
You don't care about the answer, and that's also OK.

But, it doesn't make the question, or the attempt at SOLVING the 
problem set, less valid just because you have no interest in the 
discussion. (Your comment actually makes YOU the troll, and, me, 
the feeder of the troll for bothering to explain this to you.)

At the moment, the best suggestion is to NOT change the system
time zone:
WINDOWS:
C:\? tzutil.exe /s Japan
or Start>Settings>Control Panel>System>Advanced>Environment Variables

MAC/LINUX:
$ TZ='Japan' date && firefox -url panopticlick.eff.org

But to change *only* the browser time zone.
The problem is the syntax to change *just* the browser time zone.
I can't figure out the *syntax* to do that yet.
But, if that works, that would solve the problem instantly.

Googling, Firefox has related plugins (e.g., FoxClocks), but, 
they seem to be oriented in a different direction than 
spoofing the system time zone.
https://foxclocks.org/mozilla

So, the only thing holding up the solution is the syntax to spoof
the time zone that the browser thinks it is in.

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#69156

FromFPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date2015-01-27 16:50 -0500
Message-ID<ma915u$vve$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#69132
On 2015-01-27 18:15:01 +0000, Sage <sage@mail.invalid> said:

> Peter Köhlmann wrote, on Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:10:43 +0100:
> 
>> One wonders why that imbecile troll still receives so many responses. After
>> all, he has tried under several different "names" to instigate long
>> (overlong) threads. If that was all he wanted to achieve he even succeeded,
>> even if he was clearly showing that he is incredibly stupid
> 
> The question is valid.
> The purpose is valid.
> 
> You don't know the answer, and that's OK.
> You don't care about the answer, and that's also OK.
> 
> But, it doesn't make the question, or the attempt at SOLVING the
> problem set, less valid just because you have no interest in the
> discussion.

And I'd like to know the Airspeed Velocity of an Unladen Swallow... but 
the REAL dilemma is whether there is a quantifiable difference between 
African, and European swallows, isn't it?

http://style.org/unladenswallow/
-- 
Q: How do you know when <NoBody@nowhere.com> is lying?  A: Ubiquitous 
<weberm@polaris.net> fingers are moving.
<NoBody@nowhere.com> reveals himself to be a sockpuppet of sickpuppy 
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3Cm3jcte%24pq1%241%40dont-email.me%3E

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#69181

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2015-01-28 00:58 +0000
Message-ID<slrnmcgd28.1eih.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#69156
Okay, so one time? In band camp? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> was all, like:
> On 2015-01-27 18:15:01 +0000, Sage <sage@mail.invalid> said:

>> Peter Köhlmann wrote, on Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:10:43 +0100:
>> 
>>> One wonders why that imbecile troll still receives so many responses. After
>>> all, he has tried under several different "names" to instigate long
>>> (overlong) threads. If that was all he wanted to achieve he even succeeded,
>>> even if he was clearly showing that he is incredibly stupid
>> 
>> The question is valid.
>> The purpose is valid.
>> 
>> You don't know the answer, and that's OK.
>> You don't care about the answer, and that's also OK.
>> 
>> But, it doesn't make the question, or the attempt at SOLVING the
>> problem set, less valid just because you have no interest in the
>> discussion.

> And I'd like to know the Airspeed Velocity of an Unladen Swallow... but 
> the REAL dilemma is whether there is a quantifiable difference between 
> African, and European swallows, isn't it?

There is, the African Swallow is much larger and capable of much greater
lifting power. Sadly, they are non-migratory.

> http://style.org/unladenswallow/


-- 
http://2blog.kreme.com

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#69189

FromSage <sage@mail.invalid>
Date2015-01-28 03:38 +0000
Message-ID<ma9lio$cgb$3@solani.org>
In reply to#69156
FPP wrote, on Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:50:23 -0500:

> And I'd like to know the Airspeed Velocity of an Unladen Swallow... but 
> the REAL dilemma is whether there is a quantifiable difference between 
> African, and European swallows, isn't it?

What do you mean? An African or European swallow? 
The devil is in the details.
============================================================================
We can now reduce entropy for all the items reported by Panopticlick
1. User Agent
2. HTTP_ACCEPT Headers
3. Browser Plugin Details
4. Time Zone
5. Screen Size and Color Depth
6. System Fonts
7. Are Cookies Enabled?
8. Limited supercookie test
============================================================================
1. Panopticlick User Agent entropy:
SecretAgent extension https://www.dephormation.org.uk
UserAgentSwitcher extension http://chrispederick.com/work/user-agent-switcher
============================================================================
2. Panopticlick HTTP_ACCEPT Headers entropy:
RandomAgentSpoofer extension https://github.com/dillbyrne/random-agent-spoofer
============================================================================
3. Panopticlick Browser Plugin Details entropy:
Extensions are OK but do NOT add Plug-ins (which will affect entropy)
============================================================================
4. Panopticlick TimeZone entropy:
This pops up Panopticlick.eff.org with a different time zone:
$ TZ=CET-1 firefox -url panopticlick.eff.org &
$ TZ=UTC+08:00 firefox -url panopticlick.eff.org &
$ TZ=UTC+5 firefox -url panopticlick.eff.org &
============================================================================
5. Panopticlick Screen Size & Color Depth entropy:
Too bad xrandr can only increase the size of the display (not decrease it):
$ xrandr --output DISPLAY --fb 1366x768
============================================================================
6. Panopticlick System Fonts entropy:
NoScript extension extension https://noscript.net

$ locate fonts.dir
(remove any oddball directory that is not generally found)
============================================================================
7. Panopticlick Are Cookies Enabled? entropy:
Self-Destructing Cookies https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/self-destructing-cookies
============================================================================
8. Panoptoclick Limited supercookie test entropy:
Foundstone HTML5 Local Storage Explorer http://www.foundstone.com
============================================================================
Encrypt web pages that are not encrypted:
HTTPS Everywhere https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
============================================================================

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#69208

FromJasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz>
Date2015-01-28 08:49 +0000
Message-ID<maa7qt$ia4$2@gonzo.reversiblemaps.ath.cx>
In reply to#69189
On 2015-01-28, Sage <sage@mail.invalid> wrote:
> FPP wrote, on Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:50:23 -0500:
>
>> And I'd like to know the Airspeed Velocity of an Unladen Swallow... but 
>> the REAL dilemma is whether there is a quantifiable difference between 
>> African, and European swallows, isn't it?
>
> What do you mean? An African or European swallow? 

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=An+African+or+European+swallow


-- 
umop apisdn

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#69209

FromSage <sage@mail.invalid>
Date2015-01-28 10:06 +0000
Message-ID<maacas$56f$1@solani.org>
In reply to#69208
Jasen Betts wrote, on Wed, 28 Jan 2015 08:49:33 +0000:

>> What do you mean? An African or European swallow? 
> 
> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=An+African+or+European+swallow

You missed the fact that I used the EXACT (verbatim) quote
from the movie, while you only paraphrased it.

I guess I should have put a smiley in there, to clue you in.
:)

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#69286

From"Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid>
Date2015-01-28 15:59 -0800
Message-ID<1au5q285n0pu1$.dlg@stumbler1907.invalid>
In reply to#69208
On 28 Jan 2015 08:49:33 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

> On 2015-01-28, Sage <sage@mail.invalid> wrote:
>> FPP wrote, on Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:50:23 -0500:
>>
>>> And I'd like to know the Airspeed Velocity of an Unladen Swallow... but 
>>> the REAL dilemma is whether there is a quantifiable difference between 
>>> African, and European swallows, isn't it?
>>
>> What do you mean? An African or European swallow? 
> 
> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=An+African+or+European+swallow

The one I chose to watch was this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liIlW-ovx0Y

I'd say it's the definitive, and even sage, word about these threads.

-- 
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

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