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  display sleep wake Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-05-17 00:01 -0700
    Re: display sleep wake nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-17 11:11 -0400
      Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 08:49 -0700
        Re: display sleep wake nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-17 12:22 -0400
          Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 09:46 -0700
            Re: display sleep wake nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-17 13:44 -0400
              Re: display sleep wake "Puffin Killer" <puffythekiller@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 15:41 -0400
                Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 13:07 -0700
                  Re: display sleep wake "Puffin Killer" <puffythekiller@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 17:14 -0400
                    Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 21:22 -0700
              Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 13:17 -0700
                Re: display sleep wake nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-17 16:46 -0400
                  Re: display sleep wake Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-18 00:14 -0400
                    Re: display sleep wake Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-18 16:21 +1200
                      Re: display sleep wake Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-18 01:17 -0400
                        Re: display sleep wake Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-18 17:49 +1200
                    Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 21:22 -0700
                    Re: display sleep wake Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-18 05:57 +0000
                      Re: display sleep wake nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-18 15:44 -0400
                  Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 21:22 -0700
                    Re: display sleep wake nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-18 15:40 -0400
                Re: display sleep wake Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-18 09:51 +0200
            Re: display sleep wake Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-18 09:44 +0200
              Re: display sleep wake Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-19 02:38 +0000
        Re: display sleep wake dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2014-05-18 08:37 +0100
          Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-18 01:07 -0700
            Re: display sleep wake Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-05-18 16:44 -0700
              Re: display sleep wake Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-19 02:36 +0000
                Re: display sleep wake Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-05-18 22:35 -0700
                  Re: display sleep wake Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-19 06:01 +0000
                  Re: display sleep wake Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-19 18:04 +1200
            Re: display sleep wake "Puffin Killer" <puffythekiller@telus.net> - 2014-05-19 16:58 -0400
              Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-19 19:08 -0700
    Re: display sleep wake Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-17 11:47 -0400

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#59414 — display sleep wake

With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode or just
in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic Mouse or
by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, that
would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the Mac.

Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move the
cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods to
test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk spinning sound
(which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less effective
with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the machine
over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).

Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without waking a
sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?

Martin

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#59421

In article <my1tvssxb2.fsf@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>, Martin Frost me at
invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote:

> With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode or just
> in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic Mouse or
> by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, that
> would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the Mac.
> 
> Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move the
> cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods to
> test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk spinning sound
> (which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less effective
> with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the machine
> over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).
> 
> Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without waking a
> sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?

same for mountain lion (and probably lion). they changed it for no good
reason. the only way to wake the display now is tap a key which will
also wake the mac if it's sleeping.

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#59424

On 2014-05-17 15:11:58 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <my1tvssxb2.fsf@Sunburn.Stanford.EDU>, Martin Frost me at
> invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode or just
>> in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic Mouse or
>> by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, that
>> would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the Mac.
>> 
>> Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move the
>> cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods to
>> test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk spinning sound
>> (which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less effective
>> with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the machine
>> over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).
>> 
>> Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without waking a
>> sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?
> 
> same for mountain lion (and probably lion). they changed it for no good
> reason. the only way to wake the display now is tap a key which will
> also wake the mac if it's sleeping.

What I'm having trouble with is why I should care.

How does this negatively affect a Mac user?

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#59428

In article <ll80e4$36h$7@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
<alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> >> With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode or just
> >> in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic Mouse or
> >> by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, that
> >> would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the Mac.
> >> 
> >> Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move the
> >> cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods to
> >> test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk spinning sound
> >> (which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less effective
> >> with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the machine
> >> over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).
> >> 
> >> Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without waking a
> >> sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?
> > 
> > same for mountain lion (and probably lion). they changed it for no good
> > reason. the only way to wake the display now is tap a key which will
> > also wake the mac if it's sleeping.
> 
> What I'm having trouble with is why I should care.
> 
> How does this negatively affect a Mac user?

because it was easy to push the mouse to wake the display, which can no
longer be done.

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#59430

On 2014-05-17 16:22:48 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <ll80e4$36h$7@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> 
>>>> With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode or just
>>>> in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic Mouse or
>>>> by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, that
>>>> would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the Mac.
>>>> 
>>>> Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move the
>>>> cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods to
>>>> test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk spinning sound
>>>> (which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less effective
>>>> with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the machine
>>>> over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).
>>>> 
>>>> Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without waking a
>>>> sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?
>>> 
>>> same for mountain lion (and probably lion). they changed it for no good
>>> reason. the only way to wake the display now is tap a key which will
>>> also wake the mac if it's sleeping.
>> 
>> What I'm having trouble with is why I should care.
>> 
>> How does this negatively affect a Mac user?
> 
> because it was easy to push the mouse to wake the display, which can no
> longer be done.

OK. So hitting a key or clicking the mouse is so much tougher?

There are only two states:

I want to interact with my machine, so I want it to be awake.

I DON'T want to interact with it, so whether it's just display sleep or 
full sleep, I don't care.

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#59433

In article <ll83og$9lp$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
<alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> >>>> With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode or just
> >>>> in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic Mouse or
> >>>> by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, that
> >>>> would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the Mac.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move the
> >>>> cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods to
> >>>> test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk spinning sound
> >>>> (which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less effective
> >>>> with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the machine
> >>>> over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).
> >>>> 
> >>>> Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without waking a
> >>>> sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?
> >>> 
> >>> same for mountain lion (and probably lion). they changed it for no good
> >>> reason. the only way to wake the display now is tap a key which will
> >>> also wake the mac if it's sleeping.
> >> 
> >> What I'm having trouble with is why I should care.
> >> 
> >> How does this negatively affect a Mac user?
> > 
> > because it was easy to push the mouse to wake the display, which can no
> > longer be done.
> 
> OK. So hitting a key or clicking the mouse is so much tougher?

it's not 'much tougher', however, it's different and less convenient.

> There are only two states:
> 
> I want to interact with my machine, so I want it to be awake.
>
> I DON'T want to interact with it, so whether it's just display sleep or 
> full sleep, I don't care.

then why did you ask how to check for display sleep without waking?

pick one or the other and that's the end of that.

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#59434

"nospam"  wrote in message 
news:170520141344360843%nospam@nospam.invalid...

In article <ll83og$9lp$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
<alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> >>>> With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode 
> >>>> or just
> >>>> in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic 
> >>>> Mouse or
> >>>> by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, 
> >>>> that
> >>>> would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the 
> >>>> Mac.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move 
> >>>> the
> >>>> cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods 
> >>>> to
> >>>> test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk 
> >>>> spinning sound
> >>>> (which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less 
> >>>> effective
> >>>> with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the 
> >>>> machine
> >>>> over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).
> >>>>
> >>>> Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without 
> >>>> waking a
> >>>> sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?
> >>>
> >>> same for mountain lion (and probably lion). they changed it for 
> >>> no good
> >>> reason. the only way to wake the display now is tap a key which 
> >>> will
> >>> also wake the mac if it's sleeping.
> >>
> >> What I'm having trouble with is why I should care.
> >>
> >> How does this negatively affect a Mac user?
> >
> > because it was easy to push the mouse to wake the display, which 
> > can no
> > longer be done.
>
> OK. So hitting a key or clicking the mouse is so much tougher?

>it's not 'much tougher', however, it's different and less convenient.

> There are only two states:
>
> I want to interact with my machine, so I want it to be awake.
>
> I DON'T want to interact with it, so whether it's just display sleep 
> or
> full sleep, I don't care.

>then why did you ask how to check for display sleep without waking?

>pick one or the other and that's the end of that.

Anal is an Asshole troll who is all over Usenet busting peoples chops. 
He thinks it's cute.  The Dick is a worthless loser without a real 
job, who lives off his mommy.

If you ignore him it will devastate the nothing. 

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#59435

On 2014-05-17 19:41:51 +0000, Puffin Killer said:

> "nospam"  wrote in message news:170520141344360843%nospam@nospam.invalid...
> 
> In article <ll83og$9lp$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode or just
>>>>>> in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic Mouse or
>>>>>> by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, that
>>>>>> would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the Mac.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move the
>>>>>> cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods to
>>>>>> test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk spinning sound
>>>>>> (which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less effective
>>>>>> with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the machine
>>>>>> over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without waking a
>>>>>> sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?
>>>>> 
>>>>> same for mountain lion (and probably lion). they changed it for no good
>>>>> reason. the only way to wake the display now is tap a key which will
>>>>> also wake the mac if it's sleeping.
>>>> 
>>>> What I'm having trouble with is why I should care.
>>>> 
>>>> How does this negatively affect a Mac user?
>>> 
>>> because it was easy to push the mouse to wake the display, which can no
>>> longer be done.
>> 
>> OK. So hitting a key or clicking the mouse is so much tougher?
> 
>> it's not 'much tougher', however, it's different and less convenient.
> 
>> There are only two states:
>> 
>> I want to interact with my machine, so I want it to be awake.
>> 
>> I DON'T want to interact with it, so whether it's just display sleep or
>> full sleep, I don't care.
> 
>> then why did you ask how to check for display sleep without waking?
> 
>> pick one or the other and that's the end of that.
> 
> Anal is an Asshole troll who is all over Usenet busting peoples chops. 
> He thinks it's cute.  The Dick is a worthless loser without a real job, 
> who lives off his mommy.
> 
> If you ignore him it will devastate the nothing.

I win!

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#59439

"Alan Baker"  wrote in message news:ll8fhb$tg8$2@news.datemas.de...

On 2014-05-17 19:41:51 +0000, Puffin Killer said:

> "nospam"  wrote in message 
> news:170520141344360843%nospam@nospam.invalid...
>
> In article <ll83og$9lp$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>
>>>>>> With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode 
>>>>>> or just
>>>>>> in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic 
>>>>>> Mouse or
>>>>>> by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the 
>>>>>> Mac.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk 
>>>>>> spinning sound
>>>>>> (which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less 
>>>>>> effective
>>>>>> with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the 
>>>>>> machine
>>>>>> over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without 
>>>>>> waking a
>>>>>> sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?
>>>>>
>>>>> same for mountain lion (and probably lion). they changed it for 
>>>>> no good
>>>>> reason. the only way to wake the display now is tap a key which 
>>>>> will
>>>>> also wake the mac if it's sleeping.
>>>>
>>>> What I'm having trouble with is why I should care.
>>>>
>>>> How does this negatively affect a Mac user?
>>>
>>> because it was easy to push the mouse to wake the display, which 
>>> can no
>>> longer be done.
>>
>> OK. So hitting a key or clicking the mouse is so much tougher?
>
>> it's not 'much tougher', however, it's different and less 
>> convenient.
>
>> There are only two states:
>>
>> I want to interact with my machine, so I want it to be awake.
>>
>> I DON'T want to interact with it, so whether it's just display 
>> sleep or
>> full sleep, I don't care.
>
>> then why did you ask how to check for display sleep without waking?
>
>> pick one or the other and that's the end of that.
>
> Anal is an Asshole troll who is all over Usenet busting peoples 
> chops. He thinks it's cute.  The Dick is a worthless loser without a 
> real job, who lives off his mommy.
>
> If you ignore him it will devastate the nothing.

>I win!

Keep telling yourself that, Dick.

Now roll over and play dead, Mutt. 

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#59466

On 2014-05-17 21:14:26 +0000, Puffin Killer said:

> "Alan Baker"  wrote in message news:ll8fhb$tg8$2@news.datemas.de...
> 
> On 2014-05-17 19:41:51 +0000, Puffin Killer said:
> 
>> "nospam"  wrote in message news:170520141344360843%nospam@nospam.invalid...
>> 
>> In article <ll83og$9lp$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
>> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>> With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode or just
>>>>>>> in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic Mouse or
>>>>>>> by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, that
>>>>>>> would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the Mac.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move the
>>>>>>> cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods to
>>>>>>> test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk spinning sound
>>>>>>> (which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less effective
>>>>>>> with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the machine
>>>>>>> over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without waking a
>>>>>>> sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> same for mountain lion (and probably lion). they changed it for no good
>>>>>> reason. the only way to wake the display now is tap a key which will
>>>>>> also wake the mac if it's sleeping.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What I'm having trouble with is why I should care.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How does this negatively affect a Mac user?
>>>> 
>>>> because it was easy to push the mouse to wake the display, which can no
>>>> longer be done.
>>> 
>>> OK. So hitting a key or clicking the mouse is so much tougher?
>> 
>>> it's not 'much tougher', however, it's different and less convenient.
>> 
>>> There are only two states:
>>> 
>>> I want to interact with my machine, so I want it to be awake.
>>> 
>>> I DON'T want to interact with it, so whether it's just display sleep or
>>> full sleep, I don't care.
>> 
>>> then why did you ask how to check for display sleep without waking?
>> 
>>> pick one or the other and that's the end of that.
>> 
>> Anal is an Asshole troll who is all over Usenet busting peoples chops. 
>> He thinks it's cute.  The Dick is a worthless loser without a real job, 
>> who lives off his mommy.
>> 
>> If you ignore him it will devastate the nothing.
> 
>> I win!
> 
> Keep telling yourself that, Dick.
> 
> Now roll over and play dead, Mutt.

LOL

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#59436

On 2014-05-17 17:44:36 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <ll83og$9lp$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode or just
>>>>>> in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic Mouse or
>>>>>> by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, that
>>>>>> would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the Mac.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move the
>>>>>> cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods to
>>>>>> test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk spinning sound
>>>>>> (which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less effective
>>>>>> with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the machine
>>>>>> over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without waking a
>>>>>> sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?
>>>>> 
>>>>> same for mountain lion (and probably lion). they changed it for no good
>>>>> reason. the only way to wake the display now is tap a key which will
>>>>> also wake the mac if it's sleeping.
>>>> 
>>>> What I'm having trouble with is why I should care.
>>>> 
>>>> How does this negatively affect a Mac user?
>>> 
>>> because it was easy to push the mouse to wake the display, which can no
>>> longer be done.
>> 
>> OK. So hitting a key or clicking the mouse is so much tougher?
> 
> it's not 'much tougher', however, it's different and less convenient.

I'm sorry, but I don't think there's a meaningful difference in 
convenience between moving the mouse and clicking the mouse button.

> 
>> There are only two states:
>> 
>> I want to interact with my machine, so I want it to be awake.
>> 
>> I DON'T want to interact with it, so whether it's just display sleep or
>> full sleep, I don't care.
> 
> then why did you ask how to check for display sleep without waking?

I didn't.

> 
> pick one or the other and that's the end of that.

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#59438

In article <ll8g3u$umd$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
<alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> >>>>>> With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode or just
> >>>>>> in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic Mouse or
> >>>>>> by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, that
> >>>>>> would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the Mac.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move the
> >>>>>> cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods to
> >>>>>> test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk spinning sound
> >>>>>> (which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less effective
> >>>>>> with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the machine
> >>>>>> over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without waking a
> >>>>>> sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> same for mountain lion (and probably lion). they changed it for no good
> >>>>> reason. the only way to wake the display now is tap a key which will
> >>>>> also wake the mac if it's sleeping.
> >>>> 
> >>>> What I'm having trouble with is why I should care.
> >>>> 
> >>>> How does this negatively affect a Mac user?
> >>> 
> >>> because it was easy to push the mouse to wake the display, which can no
> >>> longer be done.
> >> 
> >> OK. So hitting a key or clicking the mouse is so much tougher?
> > 
> > it's not 'much tougher', however, it's different and less convenient.
> 
> I'm sorry, but I don't think there's a meaningful difference in 
> convenience between moving the mouse and clicking the mouse button.

it's not between moving and clicking the mouse.

it's between moving the mouse and tapping a key, and there is
definitely a usability difference. 

if the mac is awake with the display off, taping a key can alter an
open document unless it's a modifier key such as shift, whereas moving
the mouse will have no effect no matter what. that means that the user
has to be sure to press only certain keys to avoid any chance of
changing a document, and one that they can't see since the display is
off.

that makes moving the mouse a more convenient option since it's larger
than having to check which key to press. just grab it and move it.

> >> There are only two states:
> >> 
> >> I want to interact with my machine, so I want it to be awake.
> >> 
> >> I DON'T want to interact with it, so whether it's just display sleep or
> >> full sleep, I don't care.
> > 
> > then why did you ask how to check for display sleep without waking?
> 
> I didn't.

yep, someone else did.

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#59463

In article <170520141646054197%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> if the mac is awake with the display off, taping a key can alter an
> open document unless it's a modifier key such as shift, whereas moving
> the mouse will have no effect no matter what. that means that the user
> has to be sure to press only certain keys to avoid any chance of
> changing a document, and one that they can't see since the display is
> off.

I've always used a modifier key as the way to wake my Mac. Why would you 
even consider typing a character key?

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#59465

In article <barmar-568C2F.00140018052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <170520141646054197%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> > if the mac is awake with the display off, taping a key can alter an
> > open document unless it's a modifier key such as shift, whereas moving
> > the mouse will have no effect no matter what. that means that the user
> > has to be sure to press only certain keys to avoid any chance of
> > changing a document, and one that they can't see since the display is
> > off.
> 
> I've always used a modifier key as the way to wake my Mac. Why would you 
> even consider typing a character key?

I don't use sleep, but to end the screen saver I usually use the
spacebar (simply because it's a bigger target to tap) or move the
mouse.

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#59469

In article <180520141621310756%YourName@YourISP.com>,
 Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> In article <barmar-568C2F.00140018052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > In article <170520141646054197%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
> >  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > > 
> > > if the mac is awake with the display off, taping a key can alter an
> > > open document unless it's a modifier key such as shift, whereas moving
> > > the mouse will have no effect no matter what. that means that the user
> > > has to be sure to press only certain keys to avoid any chance of
> > > changing a document, and one that they can't see since the display is
> > > off.
> > 
> > I've always used a modifier key as the way to wake my Mac. Why would you 
> > even consider typing a character key?
> 
> I don't use sleep, but to end the screen saver I usually use the

I don't use sleep, either. The only time I put my MacBook to sleep is 
when I'm mobile and close the lid. At home I use it like a desktop, and 
just use display sleep. But I don't think the thing you need to "wake" 
from is relevant to the discussion.

> spacebar (simply because it's a bigger target to tap) or move the
> mouse.

I think the combined size of all the modifier keys on each side of the 
keyboard is about the same as the spacebar.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#59470

In article <barmar-353EF8.01174218052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> In article <180520141621310756%YourName@YourISP.com>,
>  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <barmar-568C2F.00140018052014@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > > In article <170520141646054197%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
> > >  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > if the mac is awake with the display off, taping a key can alter an
> > > > open document unless it's a modifier key such as shift, whereas moving
> > > > the mouse will have no effect no matter what. that means that the user
> > > > has to be sure to press only certain keys to avoid any chance of
> > > > changing a document, and one that they can't see since the display is
> > > > off.
> > > 
> > > I've always used a modifier key as the way to wake my Mac. Why would you 
> > > even consider typing a character key?
> > 
> > I don't use sleep, but to end the screen saver I usually use the
> 
> I don't use sleep, either. The only time I put my MacBook to sleep is 
> when I'm mobile and close the lid. At home I use it like a desktop, and 
> just use display sleep. But I don't think the thing you need to "wake" 
> from is relevant to the discussion.
> 
> > spacebar (simply because it's a bigger target to tap) or move the
> > mouse.
> 
> I think the combined size of all the modifier keys on each side of the 
> keyboard is about the same as the spacebar.

After a quick measure:

   - on my beige AppleDesign Keyboard, the six modifier keys
     together are just under 1.25 the length of the spacebar
     ... but that is half on each side, so the spacebar is
     still the biggest single target.  :-)

   - on the old iBook, there's only one Apple key on the 
     right-side of the spacebar (plus an Enter key), and
     a Fn / Ctrl / Opt / Apple combination on the left-side, 
     so in total they are bigger than the spacebar, but 
     although it's close on the left-side keys, the spacebar
     is still slightly bigger.

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#59468

On 2014-05-18 04:14:00 +0000, Barry Margolin said:

> In article <170520141646054197%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> if the mac is awake with the display off, taping a key can alter an
>> open document unless it's a modifier key such as shift, whereas moving
>> the mouse will have no effect no matter what. that means that the user
>> has to be sure to press only certain keys to avoid any chance of
>> changing a document, and one that they can't see since the display is
>> off.
> 
> I've always used a modifier key as the way to wake my Mac. Why would you
> even consider typing a character key?

You can consider it...

...because it won't go anywhere.

:-)

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#59471

In message <barmar-568C2F.00140018052014@news.eternal-september.org> 
  Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <170520141646054197%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>> if the mac is awake with the display off, taping a key can alter an
>> open document unless it's a modifier key such as shift, whereas moving
>> the mouse will have no effect no matter what. that means that the user
>> has to be sure to press only certain keys to avoid any chance of
>> changing a document, and one that they can't see since the display is
>> off.

> I've always used a modifier key as the way to wake my Mac. Why would you 
> even consider typing a character key?

Th nospam moron is wrong anyway. If the screen is off or the computer is
asleep, the computer does not pass on the key that was pressed.

This is trivial to check. set your screen to lock after 5 seconds, then
press Control-shift eject to turn of the screen, then press the spacebar
within 5 seconds. Space is not passed to the current application.

Macs have *always* behaved this way.

-- 
I thank my lucky stars I'm not superstitious.

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#59485

In article <slrnlngitv.19um.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> if the mac is awake with the display off, taping a key can alter an
> >> open document unless it's a modifier key such as shift, whereas moving
> >> the mouse will have no effect no matter what. that means that the user
> >> has to be sure to press only certain keys to avoid any chance of
> >> changing a document, and one that they can't see since the display is
> >> off.
> 
> > I've always used a modifier key as the way to wake my Mac. Why would you 
> > even consider typing a character key?
> 
> Th nospam moron is wrong anyway. If the screen is off or the computer is
> asleep, the computer does not pass on the key that was pressed.
> 
> This is trivial to check. set your screen to lock after 5 seconds, then
> press Control-shift eject to turn of the screen, then press the spacebar
> within 5 seconds. Space is not passed to the current application.
> 
> Macs have *always* behaved this way.

no they definitely have not always behaved that way.

at some point in the past, the keypress to come out of display sleep
(not system sleep) definitely did go to the app, which is why i started
tapping a modifier key and not the easy to hit spacebar.

i didn't think it would change, but apparently it did. i just checked
snow leopard and mountain lion and it doesn't affect the frontmost app.

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#59467

On 2014-05-17 20:46:05 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <ll8g3u$umd$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>> With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode or just
>>>>>>>> in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic Mouse or
>>>>>>>> by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, that
>>>>>>>> would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the Mac.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move the
>>>>>>>> cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods to
>>>>>>>> test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk spinning sound
>>>>>>>> (which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less effective
>>>>>>>> with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the machine
>>>>>>>> over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without waking a
>>>>>>>> sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> same for mountain lion (and probably lion). they changed it for no good
>>>>>>> reason. the only way to wake the display now is tap a key which will
>>>>>>> also wake the mac if it's sleeping.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What I'm having trouble with is why I should care.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How does this negatively affect a Mac user?
>>>>> 
>>>>> because it was easy to push the mouse to wake the display, which can no
>>>>> longer be done.
>>>> 
>>>> OK. So hitting a key or clicking the mouse is so much tougher?
>>> 
>>> it's not 'much tougher', however, it's different and less convenient.
>> 
>> I'm sorry, but I don't think there's a meaningful difference in
>> convenience between moving the mouse and clicking the mouse button.
> 
> it's not between moving and clicking the mouse.
> 
> it's between moving the mouse and tapping a key, and there is
> definitely a usability difference.
> 
> if the mac is awake with the display off, taping a key can alter an
> open document unless it's a modifier key such as shift, whereas moving
> the mouse will have no effect no matter what. that means that the user
> has to be sure to press only certain keys to avoid any chance of
> changing a document, and one that they can't see since the display is
> off.
> 
> that makes moving the mouse a more convenient option since it's larger
> than having to check which key to press. just grab it and move it.

Again, you are incorrect. The keystroke that wakes the system isn't 
sent on to any application.

Watch. I put my display to sleep...

...nd the reason there is no "a" in the "and" that was supposed to 
begin this line is that the "a" I typed to wake the screen didn't go 
anywhere.

So go ahead and hit the spacebar, secure in the knowledge that it will 
wake the display without putting a space into any application.

Oh, and you can click the mouse button and it will wake the system too.

:-)

>>>> There are only two states:
>>>> 
>>>> I want to interact with my machine, so I want it to be awake.
>>>> 
>>>> I DON'T want to interact with it, so whether it's just display sleep or
>>>> full sleep, I don't care.
>>> 
>>> then why did you ask how to check for display sleep without waking?
>> 
>> I didn't.
> 
> yep, someone else did.

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