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Re: display sleep wake

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On 2014-05-17 20:46:05 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <ll8g3u$umd$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>> With Snow Leopard, to detect whether an iMac was in sleep mode or just
>>>>>>>> in display sleep, I would move the cursor by moving the Magic Mouse or
>>>>>>>> by sliding a finger on the Magic Trackpad.  In display sleep, that
>>>>>>>> would wake the screen, but in sleep mode it wouldn't wake the Mac.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Now in Mavericks (including 10.9.2 and 10.9.3), trying to move the
>>>>>>>> cursor doesn't wake it from display sleep.  So the only methods to
>>>>>>>> test for display sleep are to listen for the faint disk spinning sound
>>>>>>>> (which in a noisy environment isn't effective -- even less effective
>>>>>>>> with a pure-SSD system), or possibly trying to connect to the machine
>>>>>>>> over the net (which might wake it from sleep if so configured).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Any way, other than those, to check for display sleep without waking a
>>>>>>>> sleeping recent iMac that has no power light?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> same for mountain lion (and probably lion). they changed it for no good
>>>>>>> reason. the only way to wake the display now is tap a key which will
>>>>>>> also wake the mac if it's sleeping.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What I'm having trouble with is why I should care.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How does this negatively affect a Mac user?
>>>>> 
>>>>> because it was easy to push the mouse to wake the display, which can no
>>>>> longer be done.
>>>> 
>>>> OK. So hitting a key or clicking the mouse is so much tougher?
>>> 
>>> it's not 'much tougher', however, it's different and less convenient.
>> 
>> I'm sorry, but I don't think there's a meaningful difference in
>> convenience between moving the mouse and clicking the mouse button.
> 
> it's not between moving and clicking the mouse.
> 
> it's between moving the mouse and tapping a key, and there is
> definitely a usability difference.
> 
> if the mac is awake with the display off, taping a key can alter an
> open document unless it's a modifier key such as shift, whereas moving
> the mouse will have no effect no matter what. that means that the user
> has to be sure to press only certain keys to avoid any chance of
> changing a document, and one that they can't see since the display is
> off.
> 
> that makes moving the mouse a more convenient option since it's larger
> than having to check which key to press. just grab it and move it.

Again, you are incorrect. The keystroke that wakes the system isn't 
sent on to any application.

Watch. I put my display to sleep...

...nd the reason there is no "a" in the "and" that was supposed to 
begin this line is that the "a" I typed to wake the screen didn't go 
anywhere.

So go ahead and hit the spacebar, secure in the knowledge that it will 
wake the display without putting a space into any application.

Oh, and you can click the mouse button and it will wake the system too.

:-)

>>>> There are only two states:
>>>> 
>>>> I want to interact with my machine, so I want it to be awake.
>>>> 
>>>> I DON'T want to interact with it, so whether it's just display sleep or
>>>> full sleep, I don't care.
>>> 
>>> then why did you ask how to check for display sleep without waking?
>> 
>> I didn't.
> 
> yep, someone else did.

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display sleep wake Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-05-17 00:01 -0700
  Re: display sleep wake nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-17 11:11 -0400
    Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 08:49 -0700
      Re: display sleep wake nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-17 12:22 -0400
        Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 09:46 -0700
          Re: display sleep wake nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-17 13:44 -0400
            Re: display sleep wake "Puffin Killer" <puffythekiller@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 15:41 -0400
              Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 13:07 -0700
                Re: display sleep wake "Puffin Killer" <puffythekiller@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 17:14 -0400
                Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 21:22 -0700
            Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 13:17 -0700
              Re: display sleep wake nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-17 16:46 -0400
                Re: display sleep wake Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-18 00:14 -0400
                Re: display sleep wake Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-18 16:21 +1200
                Re: display sleep wake Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-05-18 01:17 -0400
                Re: display sleep wake Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-18 17:49 +1200
                Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 21:22 -0700
                Re: display sleep wake Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-18 05:57 +0000
                Re: display sleep wake nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-18 15:44 -0400
                Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-17 21:22 -0700
                Re: display sleep wake nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-05-18 15:40 -0400
              Re: display sleep wake Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-18 09:51 +0200
          Re: display sleep wake Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-05-18 09:44 +0200
            Re: display sleep wake Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-19 02:38 +0000
      Re: display sleep wake dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2014-05-18 08:37 +0100
        Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-18 01:07 -0700
          Re: display sleep wake Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-05-18 16:44 -0700
            Re: display sleep wake Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-19 02:36 +0000
              Re: display sleep wake Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2014-05-18 22:35 -0700
                Re: display sleep wake Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-05-19 06:01 +0000
                Re: display sleep wake Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-05-19 18:04 +1200
          Re: display sleep wake "Puffin Killer" <puffythekiller@telus.net> - 2014-05-19 16:58 -0400
            Re: display sleep wake Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-05-19 19:08 -0700
  Re: display sleep wake Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-05-17 11:47 -0400

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