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| Started by | Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> |
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| First post | 2012-08-12 17:06 -0400 |
| Last post | 2012-08-14 18:17 -0400 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 186 — 23 participants |
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Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-12 17:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-12 19:55 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-12 20:24 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2012-08-12 23:19 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-13 03:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-13 11:42 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-13 12:11 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-13 12:29 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-14 15:30 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:46 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 12:32 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:32 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-13 16:08 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-13 18:29 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 23:32 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-14 23:01 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 03:14 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 21:51 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 07:52 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-15 18:06 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 00:44 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-15 01:04 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 15:35 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-15 10:45 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 13:59 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:38 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 06:11 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-15 00:46 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 08:04 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-15 09:24 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-15 10:52 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 14:54 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-15 12:01 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 15:42 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 22:40 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:43 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 09:56 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 22:57 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 03:28 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:01 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 03:29 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 20:33 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 22:50 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-15 22:27 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 01:32 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-16 09:14 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-13 20:21 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 06:13 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 03:56 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-14 12:19 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:37 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 17:52 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:07 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 22:55 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 17:17 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 17:15 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 16:50 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-15 18:15 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:49 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:18 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:08 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 15:45 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-08-15 10:14 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 17:05 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-15 10:26 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 07:20 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> - 2012-08-14 08:51 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 09:31 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-14 10:09 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:19 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-15 12:36 +1200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:16 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-14 08:58 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:39 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-14 14:43 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 14:54 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 13:19 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-14 12:05 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 15:11 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 13:12 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:17 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 18:08 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-16 09:37 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 18:49 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-16 10:29 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-17 16:52 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-17 16:19 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-17 16:54 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-17 20:13 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-17 18:09 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-18 06:34 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-18 18:40 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 13:19 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 14:46 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 16:45 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 15:59 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 17:05 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-18 13:49 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 16:02 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-18 19:09 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 22:05 -0500
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-19 05:25 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-19 13:42 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-19 03:39 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 17:19 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:43 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:41 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-15 01:05 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-15 08:02 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-15 15:36 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:53 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 04:27 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-16 06:35 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 09:26 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 13:02 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 12:57 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-16 15:49 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-17 04:57 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-16 09:36 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-16 14:43 -0400
Auto-Save, Ask to save changes, etc (Re: Losing my religion(?)) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-16 12:31 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 20:21 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-16 03:49 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 12:54 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:53 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:28 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 16:04 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:26 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 22:37 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 21:28 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:22 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:10 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 16:17 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:06 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 21:23 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-15 09:50 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-14 09:39 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:28 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 19:43 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-15 12:36 +1200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:04 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-15 21:33 +1200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 20:31 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-16 13:35 +1200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:31 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:28 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 07:16 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 12:50 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:29 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 15:14 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 17:52 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:14 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 19:36 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:58 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 21:23 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 07:58 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 04:01 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-15 09:29 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:34 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:41 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:03 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:44 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 20:25 -0700
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 00:03 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 16:13 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 00:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 07:19 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 03:49 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 05:51 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-14 11:10 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 03:46 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:30 +0000
Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 16:15 -0600
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 08:03 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-13 08:54 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 14:15 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-13 09:22 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 13:25 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-13 15:06 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 20:38 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-13 20:53 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 21:47 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-14 11:01 +0200
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-15 19:57 -0400
Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-14 18:17 -0400
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-14 13:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-D84932.13121114082012@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #29421 |
In article <140820121443399468%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > > If you're going to mess with a file, duplicate it first. > > > > OK, so I wish to consult a file for reading and possibly copying parts > > of it to another document. You are telling me that I now need to > > duplicate it on the finder, then launch the copy, and once I am done, > > remembder to delete that copy. > > you don't need to do that if you don't make changes, but if you do make > changes, even if it's just accidentally (cat jumped on keyboard), those > changes get written. And if the cat jumps on the keyboard, all you have to do is press command-Z, and if you're sufficiently paranoid, press command-S. > having files mysteriously lock themselves confused people, so it was > removed in mountain lion. It was apparently a last-minute change; the Mountain Lion core technologies PDF, dated June 2012, includes a description of it. The PDF also reveals that auto saving saves only the changes (probably using the same technology that Time Machine uses when saving backups of revisions). It appears that auto save and versions are essentially Time Machine on the same volume as the original, but sandboxed to the application. <https://www.apple.com/media/us/osx/2012/docs/OSX_MountainLion_Core_Technolo gies_Overview.pdf> Automatic Versions Versions, also introduced in OS X 10.7 Lion, automatically records the history of a document as you create and make changes to it. OS X automatically creates a new version of a document each time you open it and every hour while you¹re working on it. You can also manually create snapshots of a document whenever you like. OS X uses a sophisticated chunking algorithm to save only the information that has changed, making efficient use of space on your hard drive (or iCloud). Versions under- stands many common document formats, so it can chunk documents between logical sections, not just at a fixed number of bytes. This allows a new version to store‹for example, just the one chapter you rewrote instead of a copy of the entire novel. OS X automatically manages the version history of a document for you, keeping hourly versions for a day, daily versions for a month, and weekly versions for all previous months. To further safeguard important milestones, OS X automatically locks documents that were edited more than two weeks ago. You can change the interval by clicking the Options... button in the Time Machine System Preferences pane, then choosing the interval you want from the Lock documents pop-up menu. When you share a document‹for example through email, iChat, or AirDrop‹only the latest, final version is sent. All other versions and changes remain safely on your Mac. Version Management You can also manually lock, unlock, rename, move, or duplicate documents using the pop-up menu next to the document title, which also shows you the current state of the document. Manage your versions directly from the pop-up menu next to the document title. You can also use the same pop-up menu to browse previous versions using an interface similar to Time Machine. It shows the current document next to a cascade of previous versions, letting you make side-by-side comparisons. You can restore entire past versions or bring elements from past versions such as pictures or text into your working document. -- Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-14 22:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <k0f0s9$c97$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #29427 |
On 08-14-2012 16:12, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> The PDF also reveals that auto saving saves only the changes (probably
> using the same technology that Time Machine uses when saving backups of
> revisions). It appears that auto save and versions are essentially Time
> Machine on the same volume as the original, but sandboxed to the
> application.
And then you post a description that is VERY different.
--
Wes Groleau
Even if you do learn to speak correct English,
whom are you going to speak it to?
— Clarence Darrow
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| From | Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-16 18:08 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7hivf9-bvu2.ln1@news1.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #29421 |
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:43:39 -0400, nospam wrote: > lion auto-locks a file after 2 weeks, and for some truly bizarre reason, > the preference to change that is in the time machine system preference, > of all places. > > <http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/turn-off-file- locking.jpg> I see from that screenshot that 2 weeks is probably the default. What other values are allowed? > having files mysteriously lock themselves confused people, so it was > removed in mountain lion. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 09:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <michelle-89661A.09374616082012@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #29575 |
In article <7hivf9-bvu2.ln1@news1.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > > lion auto-locks a file after 2 weeks, and for some truly bizarre reason, > > the preference to change that is in the time machine system preference, > > of all places. > > > > <http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/turn-off-file- > locking.jpg> > > I see from that screenshot that 2 weeks is probably the default. > > What other values are allowed? 1 day, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 1 year, or not at all. -- Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.
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| From | Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 18:49 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <0ukvf9-bvu2.ln1@news1.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #29577 |
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:37:47 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote: > In article <7hivf9-bvu2.ln1@news1.chingola.ch>, > Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > >> > lion auto-locks a file after 2 weeks, and for some truly bizarre >> > reason, >> > the preference to change that is in the time machine system >> > preference, of all places. >> > >> > <http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/turn-off-file- >> locking.jpg> >> >> I see from that screenshot that 2 weeks is probably the default. >> >> What other values are allowed? > > 1 day, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 1 year, or not at all. So effectively you can turn it off. Thanks. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 10:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <k0jam9$bog$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #29581 |
On 2012-08-16 16:49:36 +0000, Paul Sture said: > On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 09:37:47 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote: > >> In article <7hivf9-bvu2.ln1@news1.chingola.ch>, >> Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote: >> >>>> lion auto-locks a file after 2 weeks, and for some truly bizarre >>>> reason, >>>> the preference to change that is in the time machine system >>>> preference, of all places. >>>> >>>> <http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/turn-off-file- >>> locking.jpg> >>> >>> I see from that screenshot that 2 weeks is probably the default. >>> >>> What other values are allowed? >> >> 1 day, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 1 year, or not at all. > > So effectively you can turn it off. Thanks. You understand that this turns off auto-lock, not auto-save or versions. If you don't like auto-save, you should want auto-lock to be *more* aggressive, not turned off. You cannot turn off auto-save in Lion at all (at least in Apple apps and any other apps which have adopted them the way Apple wants them to). Now what I'm trying to find is how to turn auto-lock back ON in Mountain lion. It's no longer there in Time Machine prefs (which was a goofy place for it in the first place). Perhaps there's a command-line I can use to turn auto-lock back on. I'll be digging for it soon, but if anyone knows offhand, I'd appreciate the heads-up.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2012-08-17 16:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5eKdnRTVjJeEMrPNnZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #29582 |
On 2012-08-16 13:29 , Bread wrote:
> Now what I'm trying to find is how to turn auto-lock back ON in Mountain
> lion. It's no longer there in Time Machine prefs (which was a goofy
> place for it in the first place).
OS X is beginning to have a lot of goofiness.
I wish OS X had an OS-X-Manifest of settings application to checklist
and adjust system parameters at the user and admin level. It's getting
progressively more difficult to diagnose problems and/or find a
particular setting.
--
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
-John Keating.
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-17 16:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <k0mjht$i$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #29638 |
On 2012-08-17 20:52:41 +0000, Alan Browne said: > On 2012-08-16 13:29 , Bread wrote: > >> Now what I'm trying to find is how to turn auto-lock back ON in Mountain >> lion. It's no longer there in Time Machine prefs (which was a goofy >> place for it in the first place). > > OS X is beginning to have a lot of goofiness. > > I wish OS X had an OS-X-Manifest of settings application to checklist > and adjust system parameters at the user and admin level. It's getting > progressively more difficult to diagnose problems and/or find a > particular setting. http://secrets.blacktree.com It hasn't, apparently, been updated to reflect Mountain Lion, but it's pretty awesome.
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-17 16:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <k0mlkf$ntk$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #29645 |
On 2012-08-17 23:19:24 +0000, Bread said: > On 2012-08-17 20:52:41 +0000, Alan Browne said: > >> On 2012-08-16 13:29 , Bread wrote: >> >>> Now what I'm trying to find is how to turn auto-lock back ON in Mountain >>> lion. It's no longer there in Time Machine prefs (which was a goofy >>> place for it in the first place). >> >> OS X is beginning to have a lot of goofiness. >> >> I wish OS X had an OS-X-Manifest of settings application to checklist >> and adjust system parameters at the user and admin level. It's getting >> progressively more difficult to diagnose problems and/or find a >> particular setting. > > http://secrets.blacktree.com > > It hasn't, apparently, been updated to reflect Mountain Lion, but it's > pretty awesome. TinkerTool has been updated with a variety of 10.8 things, but I saw nothing about auto-lock.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-17 20:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <VtmdnUo6z8eyQ7PNnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #29645 |
On 2012-08-17 19:19 , Bread wrote:
> On 2012-08-17 20:52:41 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>
>> On 2012-08-16 13:29 , Bread wrote:
>>
>>> Now what I'm trying to find is how to turn auto-lock back ON in Mountain
>>> lion. It's no longer there in Time Machine prefs (which was a goofy
>>> place for it in the first place).
>>
>> OS X is beginning to have a lot of goofiness.
>>
>> I wish OS X had an OS-X-Manifest of settings application to checklist
>> and adjust system parameters at the user and admin level. It's getting
>> progressively more difficult to diagnose problems and/or find a
>> particular setting.
>
> http://secrets.blacktree.com
>
> It hasn't, apparently, been updated to reflect Mountain Lion, but it's
> pretty awesome.
When I wrote the above I included and then edited out "(not 3rd party
apps!)". I guess it should have stayed.
OS X could just benefit from its own, built in, "manifest" of settings
app that is always up to date wrt to the version on the user's machine.
--
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
-John Keating.
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-17 18:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <k0mpvm$mje$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #29648 |
On 2012-08-18 00:13:35 +0000, Alan Browne said: > On 2012-08-17 19:19 , Bread wrote: >> On 2012-08-17 20:52:41 +0000, Alan Browne said: >> >>> On 2012-08-16 13:29 , Bread wrote: >>> >>>> Now what I'm trying to find is how to turn auto-lock back ON in Mountain >>>> lion. It's no longer there in Time Machine prefs (which was a goofy >>>> place for it in the first place). >>> >>> OS X is beginning to have a lot of goofiness. >>> >>> I wish OS X had an OS-X-Manifest of settings application to checklist >>> and adjust system parameters at the user and admin level. It's getting >>> progressively more difficult to diagnose problems and/or find a >>> particular setting. >> >> http://secrets.blacktree.com >> >> It hasn't, apparently, been updated to reflect Mountain Lion, but it's >> pretty awesome. > > When I wrote the above I included and then edited out "(not 3rd party > apps!)". I guess it should have stayed. > > OS X could just benefit from its own, built in, "manifest" of settings > app that is always up to date wrt to the version on the user's machine. You'll note, I hope, that Secrets is two things - one is an online database of settings (take a look at the website) - and the other is a prefPane which lets you adjust those settings via GUI. If you don't want to use a third-party app or prefPane, all those things at Secrets have the command-line to access them directly. For example, to switch from the (hideous IMHO) 3-D dock to the 2-D dock, you do this: defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -float If you just mean, wouldn't it be nice if Apple would just *document* this crap so we don't have to have sites like Secrets dig them up or have to find them and share them on Usenet, that much I'll certainly agree with you about. I suspect some of this is scattered through Apple's developer documentation, but a nice central listing would be very helpful. While it would be nice to have Apple provide GUI access to much of this, I can understand why they wouldn't, at least not by default. There are just too many possible options and Prefs would become hideously messy. Maybe just an "advanced" panel or something would be good.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2012-08-18 06:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnk2uds7.iuc.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #29650 |
In message <k0mpvm$mje$1@reader1.panix.com> Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote: > For example, to switch from the (hideous IMHO) 3-D dock to the 2-D > dock, you do this: > defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -float I turned the 3D dock back on in 10.8. I agree the previous reflective 'glass' dock was hideous, but I quite like the look of it in 10.8. I did increase the pop-up delay on the dock appearing to 2 seconds though, so I don't see it much. > While it would be nice to have Apple provide GUI access to much of > this, I can understand why they wouldn't, at least not by default. Oh, there I disagree. defaults writ eis perfectly fine and it keeps the most dangerous people from mucking with it because it uses the scary command line. I think making a GUI for it is a terrible idea. -- You only had to look into Teatime's mismatched eyes to know one thing, which was this: if Teatime wanted to find you he would not look everywhere. He'd look in only one place, which would be the place where you were hiding. --Hogfather
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2012-08-18 18:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <a5t4g9-rsp2.ln1@news1.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #29658 |
On Sat, 18 Aug 2012 06:34:47 +0000, Lewis wrote: > Oh, there I disagree. defaults writ eis perfectly fine and it keeps the > most dangerous people from mucking with it because it uses the scary > command line. I think making a GUI for it is a terrible idea. I have to agree. I have seen too many folks wasting a lot of time by fiddling with settings and in a company setting that can create real headaches for helpdesk folks. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-18 13:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <OtednYN9p4UCU7LNnZ2dnUVZ_radnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #29650 |
On 2012-08-17 21:09 , Bread wrote:
> On 2012-08-18 00:13:35 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>
>> On 2012-08-17 19:19 , Bread wrote:
>>> On 2012-08-17 20:52:41 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>>>
>>>> On 2012-08-16 13:29 , Bread wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Now what I'm trying to find is how to turn auto-lock back ON in
>>>>> Mountain
>>>>> lion. It's no longer there in Time Machine prefs (which was a goofy
>>>>> place for it in the first place).
>>>>
>>>> OS X is beginning to have a lot of goofiness.
>>>>
>>>> I wish OS X had an OS-X-Manifest of settings application to checklist
>>>> and adjust system parameters at the user and admin level. It's getting
>>>> progressively more difficult to diagnose problems and/or find a
>>>> particular setting.
>>>
>>> http://secrets.blacktree.com
>>>
>>> It hasn't, apparently, been updated to reflect Mountain Lion, but it's
>>> pretty awesome.
>>
>> When I wrote the above I included and then edited out "(not 3rd party
>> apps!)". I guess it should have stayed.
>>
>> OS X could just benefit from its own, built in, "manifest" of settings
>> app that is always up to date wrt to the version on the user's machine.
>
> You'll note, I hope, that Secrets is two things - one is an online
> database of settings (take a look at the website) - and the other is a
> prefPane which lets you adjust those settings via GUI.
I did notice. But it's never up to date with the latest OS release (not
immediately anyway) and, frankly, this is a service that the OS should
provide (w/o resorting to CL).
>
> If you don't want to use a third-party app or prefPane, all those things
> at Secrets have the command-line to access them directly.
>
> For example, to switch from the (hideous IMHO) 3-D dock to the 2-D dock,
> you do this:
> defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -float
That doesn't do anything. Try
defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -boolean YES
instead (followed by "killall Dock" to restart it).
ref:
http://osxdaily.com/2007/12/24/change-the-105-leopard-dock-from-3d-to-2d/
While the 3-D dock may be hideous to you, to me it's fine and the 2-D
dock is pretty damned ugly.
>
> If you just mean, wouldn't it be nice if Apple would just *document*
> this crap so we don't have to have sites like Secrets dig them up or
> have to find them and share them on Usenet, that much I'll certainly
> agree with you about. I suspect some of this is scattered through
> Apple's developer documentation, but a nice central listing would be
> very helpful.
>
> While it would be nice to have Apple provide GUI access to much of this,
> I can understand why they wouldn't, at least not by default. There are
> just too many possible options and Prefs would become hideously messy.
> Maybe just an "advanced" panel or something would be good.
I'd even be happy without being able to change things - an advanced
panel would be best.
I'd be happy with a listing (not unlike "About this Mac"|"More
info"|"System Report") that covers settings not reported there at
present. Doesn't have to be pretty - just tell me the facts.
Recently I had some trouble sharing the screen from my SO's MBA. I
diddled around in Systems Preferences between network, displays, sharing
and security and privacy. Went nuts trying to sort it out.
Having all the information in a more "report" like format would have
made that much easier. Going to the various SysPrefs pages and sub
pages, entering admin/pw over and over gets tedious.
--
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
-John Keating.
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| From | TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-18 14:46 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <a9a9p2Fab4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #29674 |
On 2012-08-18 17:19:27 +0000, Alan Browne said: > While the 3-D dock may be hideous to you, to me it's fine and the 2-D > dock is pretty damned ugly. 'Tis all in the mind of the beholder! I'm one who prefers simplicity and in that regard I have used an applet, Docker, which allowed me to place a 2-D dock in the bottom center of my screen. Docker also allowed me to simplify the separator line between applications and documents. -- James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-18 16:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <LIGdnS3m9bx4Y7LNnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #29680 |
On 2012-08-18 15:46 , TaliesinSoft wrote:
> On 2012-08-18 17:19:27 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>
>> While the 3-D dock may be hideous to you, to me it's fine and the 2-D
>> dock is pretty damned ugly.
>
> 'Tis all in the mind of the beholder! I'm one who prefers simplicity and
> in that regard I have used an applet, Docker, which allowed me to place
> a 2-D dock in the bottom center of my screen. Docker also allowed me to
> simplify the separator line between applications and documents.
So you simplified by making your system more complex with the addition
of an app(let). hmm.
--
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
-John Keating.
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| From | TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-18 15:59 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <a9ae1cF8soU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #29685 |
On 2012-08-18 20:45:25 +0000, Alan Browne said: > On 2012-08-18 15:46 , TaliesinSoft wrote: >> On 2012-08-18 17:19:27 +0000, Alan Browne said: >> >>> While the 3-D dock may be hideous to you, to me it's fine and the 2-D >>> dock is pretty damned ugly. >> >> 'Tis all in the mind of the beholder! I'm one who prefers simplicity and >> in that regard I have used an applet, Docker, which allowed me to place >> a 2-D dock in the bottom center of my screen. Docker also allowed me to >> simplify the separator line between applications and documents. > > So you simplified by making your system more complex with the addition > of an app(let). hmm. When I said "simplicity" I was referring to appearance. Admittedly I have added a bit of complexity to the system by using Docker, but to be fair I haven't experienced any problems by doing so. -- James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-18 17:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jZCdnTcl56gSnq3NnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #29687 |
On 2012-08-18 16:59 , TaliesinSoft wrote:
> On 2012-08-18 20:45:25 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>
>> On 2012-08-18 15:46 , TaliesinSoft wrote:
>>> On 2012-08-18 17:19:27 +0000, Alan Browne said:
>>>
>>>> While the 3-D dock may be hideous to you, to me it's fine and the 2-D
>>>> dock is pretty damned ugly.
>>>
>>> 'Tis all in the mind of the beholder! I'm one who prefers simplicity and
>>> in that regard I have used an applet, Docker, which allowed me to place
>>> a 2-D dock in the bottom center of my screen. Docker also allowed me to
>>> simplify the separator line between applications and documents.
>>
>> So you simplified by making your system more complex with the addition
>> of an app(let). hmm.
>
> When I said "simplicity" I was referring to appearance. Admittedly I
> have added a bit of complexity to the system by using Docker, but to be
> fair I haven't experienced any problems by doing so.
I read too fast and took "simplify" in the wrong sense.
Still, I'd rather pick from the two available options than add stuff for
such a basic thing.
--
"C'mon boys, you're not laying pipe!".
-John Keating.
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| From | Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-18 13:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <k0ov48$5be$1@reader1.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #29680 |
On 2012-08-18 19:46:42 +0000, TaliesinSoft said: > On 2012-08-18 17:19:27 +0000, Alan Browne said: > >> While the 3-D dock may be hideous to you, to me it's fine and the 2-D >> dock is pretty damned ugly. > > 'Tis all in the mind of the beholder! I'm one who prefers simplicity > and in that regard I have used an applet, Docker, which allowed me to > place a 2-D dock in the bottom center of my screen. Docker also allowed > me to simplify the separator line between applications and documents. Truth is that to me it's only mostly hideous. The rest of my distaste for the 3D dock is that it's a lot less obvious which apps are running (the little indicator is very much less visible in 3D mode). This was a bigger deal to me before I stripped nearly everything out of the dock except for the 5 or so apps that I use constantly. Anything else, if it's in the dock, it's running. Simple as that. But I still think the faux 3D thing is pretty damned ugly. Actually, the visual notion of the dock itself - identifying apps by icon without text - is kind of halfassed anyway. At a glance, approximately half the icons on my dock just look like circles, some of them very similar in coloration, too (App Store, Safari, QuickTime, 1Password). Text might not be as pretty, but to me, especially since text can be easily sorted, it's much more practical. An option to replace the dock's icons with text, or to add names, and to always have it sorted alphabetically, would be pretty slick. Anyway, that's all just idle semi-ranting. I'm just glad that I do have an alternative to the 3D dock and that it was easy enough to set up. I don't mind if other folks like it.
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| From | TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2012-08-18 16:02 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <a9ae7uFa8uU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #29686 |
On 2012-08-18 20:49:10 +0000, Bread said: > Actually, the visual notion of the dock itself - identifying apps by > icon without text - is kind of halfassed anyway. At a glance, > approximately half the icons on my dock just look like circles, some of > them very similar in coloration, too (App Store, Safari, QuickTime, > 1Password). Text might not be as pretty, but to me, especially since > text can be easily sorted, it's much more practical. An option to > replace the dock's icons with text, or to add names, and to always have > it sorted alphabetically, would be pretty slick. My dock only contains the icons for the currently active applications and their documents. I use either Spotlight or Finder's Recent Items to launch applications. -- James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas
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