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Losing my religion(?)

Started byRich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid>
First post2012-08-12 17:06 -0400
Last post2012-08-14 18:17 -0400
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  Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-12 17:06 -0400
    Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-12 19:55 -0400
      Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-12 20:24 -0400
        Re: Losing my religion(?) isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2012-08-12 23:19 -0700
          Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-13 03:06 -0400
            Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-13 11:42 -0700
              Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-13 12:11 -0700
                Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-13 12:29 -0700
                  Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-14 15:30 +0000
                    Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:46 -0400
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 12:32 -0700
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:32 +0000
                Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-13 16:08 -0400
                  Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-13 18:29 -0700
                    Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 23:32 -0400
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-14 23:01 -0400
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 03:14 +0000
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 21:51 -0600
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 07:52 +0000
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-15 18:06 -0600
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 00:44 -0400
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-15 01:04 -0400
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 15:35 +0200
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-15 10:45 -0700
                                Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 13:59 -0400
                                Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:38 -0400
                                Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 06:11 +0200
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Rich Gray <devnull@nowhere.invalid> - 2012-08-15 00:46 -0400
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 08:04 +0000
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-15 09:24 -0700
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-15 10:52 -0700
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 14:54 -0400
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-15 12:01 -0700
                                Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 15:42 -0400
                                  Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 22:40 +0200
                                  Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:43 -0400
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 09:56 +0200
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 22:57 -0400
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 03:28 +0000
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:01 -0400
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 03:29 +0000
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:06 -0400
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 20:33 -0700
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 22:50 -0400
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-15 22:27 -0700
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 01:32 -0400
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-16 09:14 -0400
                Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-13 20:21 -0400
                  Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 06:13 +0000
                    Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 03:56 -0600
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-14 12:19 +0200
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:37 -0600
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 17:52 -0400
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:07 -0400
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 22:55 -0400
                                Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 17:17 +0200
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 17:15 +0200
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 16:50 +0200
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-15 18:15 -0600
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:49 -0400
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:18 +0000
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:08 -0400
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 15:45 +0200
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-08-15 10:14 -0400
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 17:05 +0200
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-15 10:26 -0500
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 07:20 -0700
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> - 2012-08-14 08:51 -0700
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 09:31 -0700
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-14 10:09 -0700
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:19 -0600
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-15 12:36 +1200
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:16 -0600
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-14 08:58 -0700
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:39 -0400
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-14 14:43 -0400
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 14:54 -0400
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 13:19 -0700
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-14 12:05 -0700
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 15:11 -0400
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 13:12 -0700
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:17 -0400
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 18:08 +0200
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-16 09:37 -0700
                                Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 18:49 +0200
                                  Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-16 10:29 -0700
                                    Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-17 16:52 -0400
                                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-17 16:19 -0700
                                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-17 16:54 -0700
                                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-17 20:13 -0400
                                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-17 18:09 -0700
                                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-18 06:34 +0000
                                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-18 18:40 +0200
                                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 13:19 -0400
                                              Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 14:46 -0500
                                                Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 16:45 -0400
                                                  Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 15:59 -0500
                                                    Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 17:05 -0400
                                                Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-18 13:49 -0700
                                                  Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 16:02 -0500
                                                    Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-18 19:09 -0400
                                                      Re: Losing my religion(?) TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-08-18 22:05 -0500
                                                      Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-19 05:25 +0000
                                                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-19 13:42 +0200
                                                    Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-19 03:39 +0000
                                                  Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-18 17:19 -0400
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:43 -0600
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:41 -0600
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-15 01:05 +0000
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-15 08:02 -0700
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-15 15:36 +0000
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-15 23:53 -0400
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 04:27 +0000
                                Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-16 06:35 +0000
                                  Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 09:26 +0200
                                    Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 13:02 +0000
                                  Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-16 12:57 +0000
                                    Re: Losing my religion(?) me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-08-16 15:49 +0000
                                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-17 04:57 +0000
                                    Re: Losing my religion(?) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-16 09:36 -0700
                                      Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-16 14:43 -0400
                                        Auto-Save, Ask to save changes, etc (Re: Losing my religion(?)) Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-16 12:31 -0700
                                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 20:21 -0400
                                Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-16 03:49 -0400
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 12:54 -0400
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:53 -0400
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:28 -0600
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 16:04 +0200
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 14:26 -0600
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-14 22:37 -0400
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 21:28 -0600
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:22 -0400
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:10 +0000
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 16:17 -0600
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:06 +0000
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 21:23 -0600
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-15 09:50 -0600
                    Re: Losing my religion(?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-14 09:39 -0400
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:28 +0000
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 19:43 -0400
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-15 12:36 +1200
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:04 +0000
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-15 21:33 +1200
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 20:31 +0000
                                Re: Losing my religion(?) dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-08-16 13:35 +1200
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:31 -0400
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:28 -0400
                    Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 07:16 -0700
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 12:50 -0700
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:29 +0000
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 15:14 -0700
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 17:52 -0700
                            Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:14 +0000
                              Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 19:36 -0700
                                Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:58 +0000
                                  Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-14 21:23 -0700
                                    Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 07:58 +0000
                                      Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-15 04:01 -0400
                                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-15 09:29 -0700
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:34 -0400
                    Re: Losing my religion(?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-08-14 13:41 -0400
                    Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-14 22:03 -0400
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-15 02:44 +0000
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-14 20:25 -0700
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 00:03 -0400
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-15 16:13 +0200
                        Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-16 00:06 -0400
                          Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-16 07:19 +0200
                Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 03:49 -0600
            Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 05:51 +0000
              Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-14 11:10 +0200
              Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 03:46 -0600
                Re: Losing my religion(?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2012-08-14 21:30 +0000
                  Re: Losing my religion(?) Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2012-08-14 16:15 -0600
          Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 08:03 -0400
            Re: Losing my religion(?) Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-13 08:54 -0400
              Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 14:15 -0400
            Re: Losing my religion(?) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-13 09:22 -0400
              Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 13:25 -0400
                Re: Losing my religion(?) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-08-13 15:06 -0400
                  Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 20:38 -0400
                    Re: Losing my religion(?) Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-08-13 20:53 -0400
                      Re: Losing my religion(?) Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-08-13 21:47 -0400
                Re: Losing my religion(?) Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2012-08-14 11:01 +0200
              Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-15 19:57 -0400
          Re: Losing my religion(?) Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-14 18:17 -0400

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#29437

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2012-08-14 21:18 +0000
Message-ID<slrnk2lg4k.114u.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#29404
In message <fblpf9-o54.ln1@news1.chingola.ch> 
  Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 03:56:28 -0600, Howard S Shubs wrote:

>> I don't use Spaces either.

> I haven't used Spaces on a Mac, probably because I can navigate around 
> apps well enough by either clicking on a visible bit of a window or on 
> the app's icon in the Dock.  I do use the equivalent of Spaces on my 
> Linux systems though.

>> Full Screen apps is funny.  Let's throw out the last 30 years of GUI
>> and just use a terminal.

> That's how I feel too.  I recently tried Ubuntu's Unity to see what all 
> the fuss is about.  I really *hated* having Firefox as full screen only 
> and needing more than one click to get to another app, which also went 
> full screen on me.

But that's not how OS X FSA works. You pick which ones are full screen, and you can change from FSA to not very easily.

For example, I use FSA with Terminal and Mail (this is all on the
laptop) because I rarely enough need another screen open that it works
very well for me. When in Terminal, it is a lot like being at an ancient
dumb terminal, and that's great. I spend a lot of time in the terminal.
When I reply to a post, however, I switch to BBEdit, which is not full
screen. I also run iTunes full screen.

-- 
The trouble with witches is that they'll never run away from things they
really hate.  And the trouble with small furry animals in a corner is
that, just occasionally, one of them's a mongoose. --Witches Abroad

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#29460

FromWes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org>
Date2012-08-14 22:08 -0400
Message-ID<k0f0a9$9fs$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#29404
On 08-14-2012 06:19, Paul Sture wrote:
> * MS have just the last week or so abandoned the "Metro" name, allegedly
> after complaints by a large German retailer of the same name, and seem to
> be having difficulty finding a replacement name.

First time I heard it, the immediate word-association was "metrosexual"

-- 
Wes Groleau

Change is inevitable.  We need to learn that “inevitable" is
neither a synonym for “good" nor for “bad.”

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#29490

FromPaul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch>
Date2012-08-15 15:45 +0200
Message-ID<3olsf9-do4.ln1@news1.chingola.ch>
In reply to#29460
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:08:09 -0400, Wes Groleau wrote:

> On 08-14-2012 06:19, Paul Sture wrote:
>> * MS have just the last week or so abandoned the "Metro" name,
>> allegedly after complaints by a large German retailer of the same name,
>> and seem to be having difficulty finding a replacement name.
> 
> First time I heard it, the immediate word-association was "metrosexual"

For me it was the name of bus companies serving various large towns in 
the UK, prior to privatisation.  Mostly good but you're stuck to their 
routes and timetables and you'd rather be in a car.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#29491

FromWarren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date2012-08-15 10:14 -0400
Message-ID<502baed1$0$44545$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#29490
In article <3olsf9-do4.ln1@news1.chingola.ch>,
 Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> For me it was the name of bus companies serving various large towns in 
> the UK, prior to privatisation.  Mostly good but you're stuck to their 
> routes and timetables and you'd rather be in a car.

It's a huge grocery chain in Eastern Canada, centered in Quebec. The 
stores are called "Metro" (or "Métro" in in Kaybec) and the chain is 
"Metro Richelieu". They've taken over A & P in Ontario. They're one of 
the biggest grocery wholesalers in the world.

It's also the underground rail system in Montreal. So Montrealers can 
live near the Metro and a Metro and that all makes sense.
-- 

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

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#29496

FromPaul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch>
Date2012-08-15 17:05 +0200
Message-ID<9eqsf9-do4.ln1@news1.chingola.ch>
In reply to#29491
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 10:14:42 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:

> In article <3olsf9-do4.ln1@news1.chingola.ch>,
>  Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> 
>> For me it was the name of bus companies serving various large towns in
>> the UK, prior to privatisation.  Mostly good but you're stuck to their
>> routes and timetables and you'd rather be in a car.
> 
> It's a huge grocery chain in Eastern Canada, centered in Quebec. The
> stores are called "Metro" (or "Métro" in in Kaybec) and the chain is
> "Metro Richelieu". They've taken over A & P in Ontario. They're one of
> the biggest grocery wholesalers in the world.

Possession of a "Metro Card", or access to someone with one, was highly 
valued in the UK in the 1970s and 1980s, because it gave you access to 
wholesale prices.  A schoolfriend's mother ran a hotel so was eligible 
for one and we borrowed it to kit out my first student home with pots, 
pans cutlery et cetera, saving a great deal in the process.

> It's also the underground rail system in Montreal. So Montrealers can
> live near the Metro and a Metro and that all makes sense.

There's the Paris Metro too, but I can't remember a shop there by the 
same name.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#29498

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2012-08-15 10:26 -0500
Message-ID<CC5129EC.8CE93%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#29491


On 8/15/12 9:14 AM, in article
502baed1$0$44545$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com, "Warren Oates"
<warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <3olsf9-do4.ln1@news1.chingola.ch>,
>  Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> 
>> For me it was the name of bus companies serving various large towns in
>> the UK, prior to privatisation.  Mostly good but you're stuck to their
>> routes and timetables and you'd rather be in a car.
> 
> It's a huge grocery chain in Eastern Canada, centered in Quebec. The
> stores are called "Metro" (or "Métro" in in Kaybec) and the chain is
> "Metro Richelieu". They've taken over A & P in Ontario. They're one of
> the biggest grocery wholesalers in the world.
> 
> It's also the underground rail system in Montreal. So Montrealers can
> live near the Metro and a Metro and that all makes sense.

It's also the public transportation system here in Houston Texas. And it
sucks in money in sales tax and builds rail lines in the middle of streets
causing horrendous traffic jams and retailers along it's line to go out of
business. To top that off, the cars are generally 75+% unoccupied.

Another wonderful product of guvmint.

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#29409

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2012-08-14 07:20 -0700
Message-ID<michelle-EDFFD4.07202714082012@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#29403
In article <howard-E58813.03562814082012@news.giganews.com>,
 Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:

> > The much improved gestures in Lion have made a huge impact in how I 
> > use my computers (though you won't really see this without a 
> > trackpad). 
> 
> Great.  Now, instead of using one gesture to move to the top or the 
> bottom of a long document, I have to scroll the whole way, or use the 
> scroll bar.  Not an improvement.

Or press the home or end buttons on the keyboard.

-- Michelle

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#29412

Fromsbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid>
Date2012-08-14 08:51 -0700
Message-ID<140820120851119547%dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid>
In reply to#29409
In article <michelle-EDFFD4.07202714082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <howard-E58813.03562814082012@news.giganews.com>,
>  Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:
> 
> > > The much improved gestures in Lion have made a huge impact in how I 
> > > use my computers (though you won't really see this without a 
> > > trackpad). 
> > 
> > Great.  Now, instead of using one gesture to move to the top or the 
> > bottom of a long document, I have to scroll the whole way, or use the 
> > scroll bar.  Not an improvement.
> 
> Or press the home or end buttons on the keyboard.
> 

On which keyboard? I don't see/can't find a key labelled Home or End on
the default, wireless, piece-of-cr*p keyboard that Apple ships with
most systems. <sarcasm>Oh, of course, you mean the unlabelled Option
key combinations with the arrow keys of which VERY few users are aware.
</sarcasm> At least they label the keys on the MacBook Pro keyboard.

-- 
Spenser

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#29414

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2012-08-14 09:31 -0700
Message-ID<michelle-DE5818.09313414082012@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#29412
In article <140820120851119547%dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid>,
 sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> wrote:

> On which keyboard? I don't see/can't find a key labelled Home or End on
> the default, wireless, piece-of-cr*p keyboard that Apple ships with
> most systems. <sarcasm>

On the wired keyboard with the numkey and other specialized keys.  Doesn't 
everyone order that keyboard with their desktop Macs?  It's standard with 
the Mac Pro, a no cost option with the iMac, and $20 less than the wireless 
keyboard with the Mac Mini.

-- Michelle

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#29416

FromBread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net>
Date2012-08-14 10:09 -0700
Message-ID<k0e0oa$k1r$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#29414
On 2012-08-14 16:31:34 +0000, Michelle Steiner said:

> In article <140820120851119547%dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid>,
>  sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On which keyboard? I don't see/can't find a key labelled Home or End on
>> the default, wireless, piece-of-cr*p keyboard that Apple ships with
>> most systems. <sarcasm>
> 
> On the wired keyboard with the numkey and other specialized keys.  Doesn't
> everyone order that keyboard with their desktop Macs?  It's standard with
> the Mac Pro, a no cost option with the iMac, and $20 less than the wireless
> keyboard with the Mac Mini.

We've got the bluetooth, narrow keyboard at one of the offices.  On the 
other two machines, I've got the wired full keyboards.  And I *really* 
like the full keyboards a lot.  Wireless bluetooth is pretty 
unimportant in a desktop keyboard, I think, and having the full set of 
keys and numeric keypad are totally worth it.

If I could go back a year, I'd have swapped the bluetooth one for the 
full keyboard when we bought that particular machine.

Remembering multiple key combinations to do easy things like scrolling 
to the top or bottom of a window is not something I am likely to do.  
On the bright side, that same machine has the magic trackpad and 
scrolling long distances with that is very easy.

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#29430

FromHoward S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>
Date2012-08-14 14:19 -0600
Message-ID<howard-EAEB9E.14194314082012@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#29416
In article <k0e0oa$k1r$1@reader1.panix.com>,
 Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:

> If I could go back a year, I'd have swapped the bluetooth one for the 
> full keyboard when we bought that particular machine.

What I really hate about wireless keyboards/mice is battery failure.  
Most of the time, I'm sitting at a stationary table, and the peripherals 
aren't moving.  Wires are just fine instead of batteries, for me.


> Remembering multiple key combinations to do easy things like scrolling 
> to the top or bottom of a window is not something I am likely to do.  
> On the bright side, that same machine has the magic trackpad and 
> scrolling long distances with that is very easy.

But it could be easier.  I bought the Magic Trackpad to go with my 2009 
MBP.  It's bigger, and doesn't require me to have the MBP right in front 
of me all the time.  I usually use a wired keyboard, Kensington Expert 
Mouse (big trackball) and a 24" LCD, with the MBP on the left side.

-- 
May joy be yours all the days of your life! - Phina
We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass. - The Youngbloods
Those who eat natural foods die of natural causes. - Kperspective

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#29451

Fromdempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)
Date2012-08-15 12:36 +1200
Message-ID<1kov75f.1klmi535ou8knN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>
In reply to#29412
sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> wrote:

> In article <michelle-EDFFD4.07202714082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <howard-E58813.03562814082012@news.giganews.com>,
> >  Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:
> > 
> > > > The much improved gestures in Lion have made a huge impact in how I
> > > > use my computers (though you won't really see this without a 
> > > > trackpad). 
> > > 
> > > Great.  Now, instead of using one gesture to move to the top or the
> > > bottom of a long document, I have to scroll the whole way, or use the
> > > scroll bar.  Not an improvement.
> > 
> > Or press the home or end buttons on the keyboard.
> > 
> 
> On which keyboard? I don't see/can't find a key labelled Home or End on
> the default, wireless, piece-of-cr*p keyboard that Apple ships with
> most systems. <sarcasm>Oh, of course, you mean the unlabelled Option
> key combinations with the arrow keys of which VERY few users are aware.
> </sarcasm> At least they label the keys on the MacBook Pro keyboard.

The MacBook Pro keyboard does not have home and end labelled.

It _used_ to have them labelled (on the arrow keys, used in conjunction
with the "fn"key), but from about the late 2007 or early 2008 series,
the labelling was removed.

This matches the timing of the introduction of the aluminium keyboards
(August 2007) - all subsequently introduced notebook models had the
keyboard labelling simplified, and function key special functions
rearranged to match the aluminium keyboards (e.g. they lost the
mirroring key on F7).

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#29428

FromHoward S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>
Date2012-08-14 14:16 -0600
Message-ID<howard-7001E4.14163014082012@news.giganews.com>
In reply to#29409
In article <michelle-EDFFD4.07202714082012@news.eternal-september.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <howard-E58813.03562814082012@news.giganews.com>,
>  Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:
> 
> > > The much improved gestures in Lion have made a huge impact in how I 
> > > use my computers (though you won't really see this without a 
> > > trackpad). 
> > 
> > Great.  Now, instead of using one gesture to move to the top or the 
> > bottom of a long document, I have to scroll the whole way, or use the 
> > scroll bar.  Not an improvement.
> 
> Or press the home or end buttons on the keyboard.

Doesn't always work, and switching between the keyboard and mouse is 
something to keep to a minimum.

-- 
May joy be yours all the days of your life! - Phina
We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass. - The Youngbloods
Those who eat natural foods die of natural causes. - Kperspective

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#29413

FromBread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net>
Date2012-08-14 08:58 -0700
Message-ID<k0dsj7$eea$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#29403
On 2012-08-14 09:56:28 +0000, Howard S Shubs said:

> In article <slrnk2jr4s.114u.g.kreme@mbp55.local>,
>  Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
>> In message <k0c5ms$qc0$1@dont-email.me>
>> Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>>> On 08-13-2012 15:11, Bread wrote:
>>>> But folks acting like Versions and AutoSave are a dealbreaker on Lion
>>>> are just blowing it way out of proportion.
>> 
>>> Versions is useless to me where I need versioning because I already have
>>> better solutions.  It is a waste of resources where I don't need it.
>> 
>> How many resources are you talking about? Practically NONE.
>> 
>>> Autosave is useless to me anywhere, and harmful in a few places.
>> 
>> Where is it harmful? You can revert to any previous version.
> 
> If you know that, yes.  Otherwise, the inadvertantly-saved test you did
> needs to be manually reverted.  Enjoy.

If you're going to mess with a file, duplicate it first.  Moreover, if
you haven't messed with it in a while, it automatically locks and you
cannot edit it without explicitly unlocking or choosing to duplicate.
Perhaps Auto-save should auto-lock by default.
> 
> 
>> Mission Control is brilliant and makes massive and welcome improvements
>> to Spaces (which I'd stopped using out of annoyance a long time ago) and
>> Exposé. WHile Full Screen Apps are a bad joke on my desktop machine,
>> they are absolutely brilliant on my MacBookPro.
> 
> MC is not functionality I use.  I don't use Spaces either.  Full Screen
> apps is funny.  Let's throw out the last 30 years of GUI and just use a
> terminal.

None of that is forced on you at all. I agree - full-screen is goofy and
I have no use for mission control, the launcher, or spaces.  So I don't
use any of them.  Unlike auto-save, they are not forced on you in any
way.  Just ignore them.  Remove them from the dock.  Get over it.
> 
>> The much improved gestures in Lion have made a huge impact in how I use
>> my computers (though you won't really see this without a trackpad).
> 
> Great.  Now, instead of using one gesture to move to the top or the
> bottom of a long document, I have to scroll the whole way, or use the
> scroll bar.  Not an improvement.

Huh?  You can still scroll the way you always have - with one exception -
no more scroll arrows at the ends of the scroll bars.  The rest of the
gestures are, like MC an FullScreen, entirely optional.  Don't learn them
if you don't want.

So at the end of the day, all the whining about Lion (and ML) is over
auto-save and the loss of the arrows at the ends of the scroll bars.

In exchange for those horrible things, we've gotten rid of all the
PowerPC cruft, improved lots of little things, paved the way for much
better security (much of which comes in ML, not Lion), and the OS
continues to grow and evolve.  Sounds, overall, like a big win to me.

The biggest annoyance to me is that I still have a machine which
simply cannot run anything later than SL and I still use it, but
Apple didn't extend it to work with iCloud, so my contacts on it
are no longer synced with my newer machines.  That, of course, is
not the fault of Lion or ML.  But it's annoying.

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#29417

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2012-08-14 13:39 -0400
Message-ID<502a8d39$0$61503$c3e8da3$38634283@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#29413
Bread wrote:

> If you're going to mess with a file, duplicate it first. 

OK, so I wish to consult a file for reading and possibly copying parts
of it to another document. You are telling me that I now need to
duplicate it on the finder, then launch the copy, and once I am done,
remembder to delete that copy.



Sorry, but that autosave is really stupid. It was done to cater to the
low end whom Apple thinks don't undertand the concept of saving.  But in
doing so, it aleniates those who want control over their documents.



> Moreover, if
> you haven't messed with it in a while, it automatically locks and you
> cannot edit it without explicitly unlocking or choosing to duplicate.

Never heard of that. Xan you define "in a while" ? Hours ? weeks ?
months ? years ? Is that user definable in some preference ?

And how is the file locked ? at the file permissions level, or just text
edit that decides you can't open the file ?




> Perhaps Auto-save should auto-lock by default.

Or just no autosave at all by default. Those who want autosave should
set a preference. In fact, many applications have an "autosave"
preference, and the smart ones, autosave in a temporary file to enable
to restart at the same spot without changing the original file.


>> MC is not functionality I use.  I don't use Spaces either.  Full Screen
>> apps is funny.  Let's throw out the last 30 years of GUI and just use a
>> terminal.

I a not at Lion, but iPhoto is very annoying. If I target my HD TV set
for a slide show and enter full screen, it insists on blanking my 2
other screens. I think iDVD is the same but don't remember.


> Huh?  You can still scroll the way you always have - with one exception -
> no more scroll arrows at the ends of the scroll bars.

Scrolll arrows are of use when you need precise movement. Sometimes with
complex pages on a web browser, it is hard to get precise scrolling, but
the arrows act like a precise stepper motor.

The thing is that while they are not used often, when they are needed
they are extremely useful.  They do not detract from the UI, do not
prevent any finctionality, so their remival was simply Steve Jobs making
some emotional decision that they should go and ordered his troups to
remove them.

After all, you wouldn't want something on a computer that doesn't exist
on the iphone, now would you ?

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#29421

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2012-08-14 14:43 -0400
Message-ID<140820121443399468%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#29417
In article <502a8d39$0$61503$c3e8da3$38634283@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > If you're going to mess with a file, duplicate it first. 
> 
> OK, so I wish to consult a file for reading and possibly copying parts
> of it to another document. You are telling me that I now need to
> duplicate it on the finder, then launch the copy, and once I am done,
> remembder to delete that copy.

you don't need to do that if you don't make changes, but if you do make
changes, even if it's just accidentally (cat jumped on keyboard), those
changes get written. 

> Sorry, but that autosave is really stupid. It was done to cater to the
> low end whom Apple thinks don't undertand the concept of saving.  But in
> doing so, it aleniates those who want control over their documents.

exactly, and apple thinks there's more of the former than the latter.

> > Moreover, if
> > you haven't messed with it in a while, it automatically locks and you
> > cannot edit it without explicitly unlocking or choosing to duplicate.
> 
> Never heard of that. Xan you define "in a while" ? Hours ? weeks ?
> months ? years ? Is that user definable in some preference ?
> 
> And how is the file locked ? at the file permissions level, or just text
> edit that decides you can't open the file ?

lion auto-locks a file after 2 weeks, and for some truly bizarre
reason, the preference to change that is in the time machine system
preference, of all places. 

<http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/turn-off-file-locking.jp
g>

having files mysteriously lock themselves confused people, so it was
removed in mountain lion.

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#29422

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2012-08-14 14:54 -0400
Message-ID<502a9f02$0$12945$c3e8da3$40d4fd75@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#29421
nospam wrote:

> lion auto-locks a file after 2 weeks, and for some truly bizarre
> reason, the preference to change that is in the time machine system
> preference, of all places.

First I heard of that ! How is that accomplished ? Does this mean the
file permissions are changed to read only ? Or does the app just
consider the file to be locked if the last modified date is more than 2
weeks ?

(aka: text wrangler would be able to open a file that text edit would
refuse to open).


If I use text edit to open an "auto locked" file, does that mean that
text edit is in read-only mode and won't change the file at all, or will
it complain about file locked and force me to unlock/duplicate it before
it shows the contents ?

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#29429

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2012-08-14 13:19 -0700
Message-ID<michelle-A7957B.13194114082012@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#29422
In article <502a9f02$0$12945$c3e8da3$40d4fd75@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> If I use text edit to open an "auto locked" file, does that mean that
> text edit is in read-only mode and won't change the file at all, or will
> it complain about file locked and force me to unlock/duplicate it before
> it shows the contents ?

It opens it in read-only mode.  If you then try to edit the auto-locked 
document, you get an Unlock/Cancel/Duplicate dialog.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#29423

FromBread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net>
Date2012-08-14 12:05 -0700
Message-ID<k0e7h4$rso$1@reader1.panix.com>
In reply to#29421
On 2012-08-14 18:43:39 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <502a8d39$0$61503$c3e8da3$38634283@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
>>> Moreover, if
>>> you haven't messed with it in a while, it automatically locks and you
>>> cannot edit it without explicitly unlocking or choosing to duplicate.
>> 
>> Never heard of that. Xan you define "in a while" ? Hours ? weeks ?
>> months ? years ? Is that user definable in some preference ?

Two weeks
>> 
>> And how is the file locked ? at the file permissions level, or just text
>> edit that decides you can't open the file ?

When it's locked, if you open the file and try to edit it, the OS warns 
you that the file is locked and offers you the chance to either unlock 
it or duplicate it.  If you really do want to modify the file itself, 
you are forced to explicitly decide so.
> 
> lion auto-locks a file after 2 weeks, and for some truly bizarre
> reason, the preference to change that is in the time machine system
> preference, of all places.

That kind-of makes sense, inasmuch as versions is built on time machine 
technology.  But only kind-of.  There really should just be a system 
prefs panel controling auto-save, versions, locking all in one place, 
and with an option for the folks who don't want it to just turn it off.

While I'm growing to like auto-save, I can't see any good reason for 
folks who don't want it to be forced to use it.  Apple left us lots of 
options to turn off annoying defaults in a variety of places (ie. 
hidden scrollbars) and there just doesn't seem much of a good reason to 
not offer similar options and control over this.  IIRC, software 
developers may opt to include auto-save or not, or offer it as an 
option to their users.  Apple just hasn't offered that choice to folks 
using Apple's own apps.
> 
> <http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/turn-off-file-locking.jp
> g>
> 
> having files mysteriously lock themselves confused people, so it was
> removed in mountain lion.

From Ars's article about features removed from ML that they liked:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/08/the-10-features-removed-from-mountain-lion-that-we-miss-the-most/ 


> 9. Automatic document locking. Lion would lock documents after 14 days 
> to avoid inadvertent changes. Apparently someone at Apple got 
> (understandably) annoyed with that big "this document is locked" 
> message that appears after you start typing in a document you just 
> opened, because Mountain Lion no longer has this feature. Although the 
> warning could be startling, having some protection against inadvertent 
> changes wasn't always a bad thing. Fortunately, you can still manually 
> lock files from the Finder using the Get Info option, or with a little 
> menu that drops down from the file's name in the title bar when you 
> hover the pointer over it (in conforming applications).

Frankly, I think document locking is brilliant.  It solves the problem 
of making sure nobody ever inadvertantly edited a file while keeping 
auto-save and versions intact.  If anything, I'd be inclined to put in 
auto document locking with a 1 day lag.  Explicitly unlocking when you 
start to edit a file is as simple as a quick mouse click on the "ok" 
button, and that's a small price to pay for insurance that a document 
will (almost) never be modified by accident.

Anyway, there it is.

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#29424

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2012-08-14 15:11 -0400
Message-ID<502aa2d7$0$1717$c3e8da3$fdf4f6af@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#29423
Why is it the first I heard of auto-locking ?

When Lion camme , and ever since it came out, there have been
discussions about the "auto-save" and how it is undesirable to many.
Yet, the defenders of auto-save never pointed to this auto-lock which is
designed to revent accidental changes to documents, the biggest danger
of auto-save.

I still think that auto-save should be an option that can be enabled or
disabled.

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