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  Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-04-21 22:35 -0500
    Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2012-04-22 05:27 +0000
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-04-21 22:58 -0700
        Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-23 08:31 +1200
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-04-22 16:12 -0700
    Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-22 17:57 +1200
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2012-04-22 07:51 -0500
        Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-23 08:31 +1200
          Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-23 13:42 +1200
        Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-23 06:47 +1000
        Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-23 13:32 +1200
          Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-23 13:30 +1000
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-22 12:19 -0400
        Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-23 06:50 +1000
        Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-23 13:39 +1200
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-04-22 16:21 -0700
        Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-23 13:47 +1200
          Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-04-22 18:58 -0700
            Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-23 18:48 +1200
        Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-23 18:38 +1200
    Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Michelle <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-22 18:21 +0000
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Koralatov <usenet@koralatov.com> - 2012-04-22 23:24 +0000
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-23 16:26 +0200
        Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-23 15:52 +0100
          Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-24 07:32 +1200
            Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-24 11:18 +0200
          Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-26 00:47 -0400
            Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-26 18:59 +1200
              Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-26 19:14 -0400
            Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-26 11:20 +0200
              Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-26 20:24 +1000
    Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2012-04-22 14:44 -0400
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2012-04-22 13:17 -0700
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-23 06:55 +1000
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-22 17:42 -0400
        Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2012-04-22 20:26 -0400
          Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2012-04-22 21:48 -0400
            Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-04-22 18:59 -0700
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2012-04-22 18:23 -0400
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Koralatov <usenet@koralatov.com> - 2012-04-22 23:22 +0000
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-04-23 16:43 -0600
      Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-26 00:54 -0400
        Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-26 18:51 +1200
          Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-26 06:59 -0400
            Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done HelpfulHarry@BusyWorking.com (Helpful Harry) - 2012-04-27 09:31 +1200
              Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-26 21:37 -0400
                Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2012-04-26 18:47 -0700
                Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-04-27 21:26 +1000
                Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done David Spencer <spencer@panix.com> - 2012-04-27 14:08 +0000
                  Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-04-27 15:26 +0100
                    Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-27 16:12 -0400
                Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew Russotto) - 2012-05-08 03:25 +0000
        Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-26 11:24 +0200
    Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-04-23 08:31 +1200
    Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done Koralatov <usenet@koralatov.com> - 2012-04-22 23:28 +0000
    Re: Backing Up - Why So Often Not Done jdear64 <jdear64@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-23 10:56 -0700

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#24203

TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> I recently spent some time with a person who although a Mac user for
> about 20 years had never performed a backup of his system but finally
> decided to do so. His thought was to do a backup once a month but I
> convinced him to do one late each evening. I had him install SuperDuper!
> to backup to a newly purchased external hard drive. The choice of
> SuperDuper! over other alternatives was simply that it is the one with
> which I am most familiar. Everything is now running fine.
> 
> This incident was by no means the first time I have helped a person set
> up a backup routine. My curiosity is what is it that seems to make people
> not realize the importance of regular backups?

I had a customer back in the late 80s who never saved a file on his apple
//c.   He used only AppleWorks and printed each document after finishing
it.

-- Michelle

-- 
Sent from my iPad

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#24220

On 2012-04-22, Michelle <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> I had a customer back in the late 80s who never saved a file on his
> apple //c.   He used only AppleWorks and printed each document after
> finishing it.

Well, that takes care of the bit-rot/demagnetisation problem, but did
they take an off-site backup of the hardcopies? :P

-- 
    Mike | <http://koralatov.com>
           "A camel is a horse designed
            by a committee." -- Larry Wall

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#24256

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:21:07 +0000, Michelle wrote:

> I had a customer back in the late 80s who never saved a file on his
> apple //c.   He used only AppleWorks and printed each document after
> finishing it.

I had a boss like that in the early 90s.  After printing he either 
deleted his computer copy or edited it for his next document.

He didn't see the need for any backups except for his accounting software.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#24257

In article <fd5g69-epd.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> 
wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:21:07 +0000, Michelle wrote:
> 
> > I had a customer back in the late 80s who never saved a file on his
> > apple //c.   He used only AppleWorks and printed each document after
> > finishing it.
> 
> I had a boss like that in the early 90s.  After printing he either 
> deleted his computer copy or edited it for his next document.
> 
> He didn't see the need for any backups except for his accounting software.

I worked at a place once where a bloke got very antsy when he saw 
someone faxing a document that hadn't been copied yet :)

-- 
Sara

Peeps squeaks, Billy is silly and as for Armageddon...

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#24269

Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <fd5g69-epd.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:21:07 +0000, Michelle wrote:
> > 
> > > I had a customer back in the late 80s who never saved a file on his
> > > apple //c.   He used only AppleWorks and printed each document after
> > > finishing it.
> > 
> > I had a boss like that in the early 90s.  After printing he either 
> > deleted his computer copy or edited it for his next document.
> > 
> > He didn't see the need for any backups except for his accounting software.
> 
> I worked at a place once where a bloke got very antsy when he saw 
> someone faxing a document that hadn't been copied yet :)

A family member once came home from work and exclaimed that their fax
machine had stopped working, and they had to call the help desk who came
around to discover it was simply out of paper, and did I realise that
faxes needed paper???

I think they'd thought the paper somehow magically came through the
phone line or something :-D
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#24318

On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:32:06 +1200, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:

> Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> In article <fd5g69-epd.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:21:07 +0000, Michelle wrote:
>> > 
>> > > I had a customer back in the late 80s who never saved a file on his
>> > > apple //c.   He used only AppleWorks and printed each document
>> > > after finishing it.
>> > 
>> > I had a boss like that in the early 90s.  After printing he either
>> > deleted his computer copy or edited it for his next document.
>> > 
>> > He didn't see the need for any backups except for his accounting
>> > software.
>> 
>> I worked at a place once where a bloke got very antsy when he saw
>> someone faxing a document that hadn't been copied yet :)
> 
> A family member once came home from work and exclaimed that their fax
> machine had stopped working, and they had to call the help desk who came
> around to discover it was simply out of paper, and did I realise that
> faxes needed paper???
> 
> I think they'd thought the paper somehow magically came through the
> phone line or something :-D

I recall a tale about a musician (Stefan Grapelli?) who, as some artists 
are, was completely clueless about cars.  He was persuaded to buy one and 
when it ran out of fuel thought that "Well it was fun, but it didn't last 
very long".  He didn't realise he had to fill the thing up.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_Grappelli>

A very distinctive sound.  IIRC he had a regular spot on a BBC radio
chat morning chat show when I was young; he and a few others would
basically have a jam sessionn at intervals throughout the show.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pb-1XGUkNM&feature=related>

I recall Diz Disley from those BBC shows too.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#24400

On 04-23-2012 10:52, Sara wrote:
> I worked at a place once where a bloke got very antsy when he saw
> someone faxing a document that hadn't been copied yet :)

I once saw let someone with an extremely urgent job go ahead of me on 
the copier.  He slapped a sheet on the glass, made one copy, and then 
tossed the original into the trash bin.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   “Isn't embarrassing to quote something you didn't read
    and then attack what it didn't say?”

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#24404

In article <jnak17$dvd$1@dont-email.me>, none.of@your.biz wrote:
> On 04-23-2012 10:52, Sara wrote:
> > 
> > I worked at a place once where a bloke got very antsy when he saw
> > someone faxing a document that hadn't been copied yet :)

Given the number of times I seen a fax machine or photocopier feeder chew
up a document, he probably wasn't too wrong being worried about it.    :o)



> I once saw let someone with an extremely urgent job go ahead of me on 
> the copier.  He slapped a sheet on the glass, made one copy, and then 
> tossed the original into the trash bin.

One possibility: Perhaps parts of the document had been "corrected" or
"censored" and he wanted a copy so it was more difficult to see the
"correction" or 'uncensor' it. (Maybe he had increased your salary on the
document and was going to keep the difference.  ;o))

In the old days you could use a dark highlighter (blue or green) to censor
documents since the highlighted parts would not photocopy. These days
highlighters are designed to be photocopied / scanned.

Helpful Harry  :o)

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#24434

On 04-26-2012 02:59, Helpful Harry wrote:
>> >  I once saw let someone with an extremely urgent job go ahead of me on
>> >  the copier.  He slapped a sheet on the glass, made one copy, and then
>> >  tossed the original into the trash bin.

> One possibility: Perhaps parts of the document had been "corrected" or
> "censored" and he wanted a copy so it was more difficult to see the
> "correction" or 'uncensor' it. (Maybe he had increased your salary on the
> document and was going to keep the difference.  ;o))

Possible, but if he had something to hide, he left the evidence right 
next to the copier.

This was the same guy who, if I was sick on a workday (Naval Reserve)
made me drive out to the station so that he could hand me a paper 
directing me to drive to the V.A. medical center near my house.

Where they told me to wait in a room that had a football game on TV.  At 
half-time, someone come out and asked me a few questions and
told me to wait for the doctor.

When the game was over, a doctor came out and told me to
go home and rest.

-- 
Wes Groleau

Change is inevitable.  We need to learn that “inevitable" is
neither a synonym for “good" nor for “bad.”

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#24406

On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 00:47:34 -0400, Wes Groleau wrote:

> On 04-23-2012 10:52, Sara wrote:
>> I worked at a place once where a bloke got very antsy when he saw
>> someone faxing a document that hadn't been copied yet :)
> 
> I once saw let someone with an extremely urgent job go ahead of me on
> the copier.  He slapped a sheet on the glass, made one copy, and then
> tossed the original into the trash bin.

I've lost count of the number of times I've found originals still in a 
photocopier.  Personal stuff too, and a colleague once rang me, having 
already left work for the day, asking me to retrieve his CV from the 
photocopier so the boss didn't see it :-)


-- 
Paul Sture

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#24409

In article <gjgn69-164.ln1@news.sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> 
wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 00:47:34 -0400, Wes Groleau wrote:
> 
> > On 04-23-2012 10:52, Sara wrote:
> >> I worked at a place once where a bloke got very antsy when he saw
> >> someone faxing a document that hadn't been copied yet :)
> > 
> > I once saw let someone with an extremely urgent job go ahead of me on
> > the copier.  He slapped a sheet on the glass, made one copy, and then
> > tossed the original into the trash bin.
> 
> I've lost count of the number of times I've found originals still in a 
> photocopier.  Personal stuff too, and a colleague once rang me, having 
> already left work for the day, asking me to retrieve his CV from the 
> photocopier so the boss didn't see it :-)

Why, I have found hands, feet, once a buttock even, left behind. 
Pretty gruesome actually.

-- 
dorayme

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#24204

In article <9vhcjmFs7eU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
<taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> This incident was by no means the first time I have helped a person set 
> up a backup routine. My curiosity is what is it that seems to make 
> people not realize the importance of regular backups?

In the end, for many of us what's on the computer is disposable.
Seriously, there's nothing that can't just be reinstalled, no data that
I REALLY can't do without. I do have a Time Machine backup drive now,
but before that would just occasionally drag my iTunes library onto an
extra drive if I happened to have one. I don't bother "backing up"
anything else in my life, so don't really see the need with the
computer.

-- 
Chris Mack       "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan'             - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

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#24206

Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> wrote:

> In article <9vhcjmFs7eU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
> <taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
> 
> > This incident was by no means the first time I have helped a person set
> > up a backup routine. My curiosity is what is it that seems to make 
> > people not realize the importance of regular backups?
> 
> In the end, for many of us what's on the computer is disposable.

Maybe for you. Maybe for many others as well. Certainly not for me. And,
alas, also not for many of the people who don't do backups. I know this
because I've been in the position of helping plenty of them out as a
result, both in my personal and professional life. Sometimes it has even
been people who claimed, as you mention above, that there was nothing on
their computer that needed backing up.... until the after the crash
actually happened. I've helped enough people who were in that position
that I've come to take the "disposable" argument with a rather large
grain of salt.

Most often, though, it has just been people who never thought about it
at all, or if they did, just figured that "it wouldn't happen to them".

A few times it has been people who thought they had backups, but turned
out not to have useable ones for one reason or other (insert here rant
about some incompetent sysadmins). One time it was a fellow NASA
employee who explained that the data on the crashed system was worth
about $100k and that the contractor responsable for the system had been
contractually obligated to back it up, but... guess that was one of the
corners that got cut in terms of actually doing what the contract
required. I recommended he seek professional data recovery services for
the head-crashed disk drive. He didn't know about such services
existing. I believe they did get the data off as a result, but those
services aren't cheap and they don't guarantee always suceeding.

-- 
Richard Maine                    | Good judgment comes from experience;
email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
domain: summertriangle           |  -- Mark Twain

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#24214

In article <220420121444223654%invid@loclanet.com>,
 Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> wrote:

> In the end, for many of us what's on the computer is disposable.

In the end, everything is disposable. When one of the assassins was 
being remorseful in Unforgiven about having killed his target and 
added something like "But he had it coming!", Clint Eastwood stood 
staring darkly into the distance and replied, "We all have it coming, 
kid."

-- 
dorayme

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#24215

On 2012-04-22 14:44 , Invid Fan wrote:
> In article<9vhcjmFs7eU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
> <taliesinsoft@me.com>  wrote:
>
>> This incident was by no means the first time I have helped a person set
>> up a backup routine. My curiosity is what is it that seems to make
>> people not realize the importance of regular backups?
>
> In the end, for many of us what's on the computer is disposable.
> Seriously, there's nothing that can't just be reinstalled, no data that
> I REALLY can't do without. I do have a Time Machine backup drive now,

I have many 10's of thousands of photos (that I've taken). Many film 
(laboriously scanned).  They have to be backed up or it's a lot of work 
to recover.

Many "living" documents on my computer (financial, project).

Programs I've written.

etc...


> but before that would just occasionally drag my iTunes library onto an
> extra drive if I happened to have one. I don't bother "backing up"
> anything else in my life, so don't really see the need with the
> computer.

It depends on the nature of the data and what you use/need the computer for.

-- 
"I was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and I did.
  I said I didn't know."
                           -Samuel Clemens.

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#24223

In article <OK6dnTU6AJGx5gnSnZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2012-04-22 14:44 , Invid Fan wrote:
> > In article<9vhcjmFs7eU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
> > <taliesinsoft@me.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> This incident was by no means the first time I have helped a person set
> >> up a backup routine. My curiosity is what is it that seems to make
> >> people not realize the importance of regular backups?
> >
> > In the end, for many of us what's on the computer is disposable.
> > Seriously, there's nothing that can't just be reinstalled, no data that
> > I REALLY can't do without. I do have a Time Machine backup drive now,
> 
> I have many 10's of thousands of photos (that I've taken). Many film 
> (laboriously scanned).  They have to be backed up or it's a lot of work 
> to recover.
> 
Yes, but do you back up your REAL photos as well? Those aren't as easy
to have destroyed, obviously, but I have no backup if the photo albums
are under a leaky roof or damaged in afire.

> Many "living" documents on my computer (financial, project).
> 
> Programs I've written.
> 
Obviously, you use your computer for things that, in the real world,
would need backups even if they weren't done on the computer.

> > but before that would just occasionally drag my iTunes library onto an
> > extra drive if I happened to have one. I don't bother "backing up"
> > anything else in my life, so don't really see the need with the
> > computer.
> 
> It depends on the nature of the data and what you use/need the computer for.

Exactly. I'm just suggesting that for many, this is why they don't
backup anything.

-- 
Chris Mack       "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan'             - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

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#24230

On 4/22/12 8:26 PM, Invid Fan wrote:
> Yes, but do you back up your REAL photos as well? Those aren't as easy
> to have destroyed, obviously, but I have no backup if the photo albums
> are under a leaky roof or damaged in afire.

That's a good point. About six years ago, my family lost decades worth 
of irreplaceable photographs in a flood.

> Obviously, you use your computer for things that, in the real world,
> would need backups even if they weren't done on the computer.

I have since started digitizing my most important records, including 
photographs -- even if they aren't originally digital. Because I back up 
my disks regularly, I am confident that my records are much more secure 
on disk than anywhere else.

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#24232

On 2012-04-23 01:48:10 +0000, Ed Anson said:

> On 4/22/12 8:26 PM, Invid Fan wrote:
>> Yes, but do you back up your REAL photos as well? Those aren't as easy
>> to have destroyed, obviously, but I have no backup if the photo albums
>> are under a leaky roof or damaged in afire.
> 
> That's a good point. About six years ago, my family lost decades worth 
> of irreplaceable photographs in a flood.

One of the reasons I've been slowly but surely scanning in all the 
family photos and converting the old family movies.

It's *vastly* easier to back up digital copies than the older formats.

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#24216

Invid Fan:
> In the end, for many of us what's on the computer is disposable.
> Seriously, there's nothing that can't just be reinstalled, no data that
> I REALLY can't do without. I do have a Time Machine backup drive now,
> but before that would just occasionally drag my iTunes library onto an
> extra drive if I happened to have one. I don't bother "backing up"
> anything else in my life, so don't really see the need with the
> computer.

If that works for you, don't let anyone tell you you're wrong.

It wouldn't work for me because I have photographs that are financially
or artistically valuable; writings that are financially or artistically
important. Astronomical research that I would not wish to re-do from
scratch. Other photos and writings that are personally valuable. Family
documents going back 200 years that I enjoy looking at from time to
time, but the originals of which I store in a fireproof bank vault.

I have financial records that could be reconstructed only with the
expenditure of much time (= money).

One-of-a-kind audio and video recordings that could not be reproduced
at any price.

And so on.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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On 2012-04-22, Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> wrote:
> In article <9vhcjmFs7eU1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
><taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:
>
> In the end, for many of us what's on the computer is disposable.
> Seriously, there's nothing that can't just be reinstalled, no data
> that I REALLY can't do without. 

You're right in a "life-and-death-we-need-it-to-survive" way, but we've
moved so heavily onto computers that a lot of our really important stuff
is on there.  The most obvious example of that is photos.  Apart from
the handful of Instaxes I take every so often, *every* photo I've taken
in the last 5+ years has been digital.  Every single one.  I know people
who have countless photos of weddings, babies, deceased family members
that are digital and not backed up beyond the occasional hardcopy print.
That stuff isn't "essential" in a survival sense, but that stuff is
priceless to them, and they would be devastated if they lost it.  *That*
is why I find it absolutely incredible that people don't back up
properly as a matter of course.

-- 
    Mike | <http://koralatov.com>
           "A camel is a horse designed
            by a committee." -- Larry Wall

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