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Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software?

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  Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-16 15:24 +0000
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-16 11:29 -0400
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 15:39 +0000
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-16 15:57 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 16:21 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-03-17 08:23 +1200
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-17 12:34 +1300
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:32 +0000
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:05 -0700
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-16 21:26 +0000
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 21:46 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:04 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:04 -0700
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:07 -0400
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 11:38 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:34 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-18 07:48 -0400
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 18:45 -0400
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-16 09:07 -0700
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comte <electrc-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 09:00 -0700
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 16:22 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 09:37 -0700
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2015-03-16 09:45 -0700
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 09:55 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 14:03 -0400
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:58 -0700
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:02 -0700
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:07 -0400
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:55 -0700
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 16:47 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:54 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:01 -0700
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:53 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:26 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:51 -0700
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-03-18 11:11 -0700
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-16 12:06 -0700
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-16 19:30 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:51 -0700
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:36 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 16:14 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 16:24 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 17:41 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:01 +0000
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 21:52 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:06 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 19:14 -0400
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-18 00:06 +0000
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 20:17 -0400
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 23:16 +0000
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:47 +0000
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 19:51 -0400
                              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 00:01 +0000
                              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-18 00:05 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:04 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:35 +0000
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:12 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-03-17 17:52 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:31 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:07 -0700
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:08 -0400
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 21:18 +0100
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 16:20 -0400
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 21:23 +0100
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:05 +0000
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:59 -0700
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:47 +0000
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 12:28 -0700
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:01 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:56 -0700
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:44 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 22:01 -0700
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-19 01:07 -0400
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:48 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:31 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 12:45 -0400
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 17:37 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 18:59 +0000
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 21:59 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:34 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:12 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:11 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-18 00:14 +0000
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 00:24 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:33 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:44 -0700
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:55 -0700
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 15:07 -0400
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:53 -0700
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-19 01:07 -0400
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 22:09 -0700
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:38 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:41 -0700
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:42 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:13 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:40 -0700
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 22:05 -0700
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-19 10:18 +0000
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:13 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Raymond Wiker <rwiker@gmail.com> - 2015-03-17 21:14 +0100
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 23:04 +0000
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:33 -0700
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:41 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-18 21:20 -0700
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:37 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-17 12:09 -0700
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-17 21:42 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-17 22:33 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:25 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-18 07:13 -0400
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 10:43 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:05 -0400
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-17 11:48 -0700
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-17 14:56 -0400
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:22 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:20 +0000
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-18 00:56 -0700
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 13:55 -0400
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-03-16 17:57 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-16 14:32 -0400
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-03-17 12:34 +1300
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-03-16 21:25 +0000
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-16 20:29 -0400
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-17 11:40 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 14:19 +0000
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 13:21 -0400
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 10:46 -0700
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 13:53 -0400
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:18 +0000
                  Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 15:44 -0400
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:56 +0000
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-17 16:10 -0400
                    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-17 22:21 -0700
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 12:58 +0000
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 13:21 -0700
                      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-18 12:07 -0400
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-18 12:53 -0400
                        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 13:26 -0700
                          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-03-18 18:30 -0400
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-18 15:55 -0700
                            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-18 23:27 +0000
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-18 00:17 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-17 19:17 +0000
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-03-17 12:10 -0700
    Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-19 02:40 +0000
      Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:36 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 13:51 +0000
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-19 17:08 +0000
            Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-19 17:39 +0000
              Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-03-19 17:00 -0700
                Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-20 03:39 +0000
        Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-20 00:44 +0000
          Re: Why doesn't Apple update the kernel instead of outdating hardware/software? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-20 03:42 +0000

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#71494

On 15-03-18 01:21, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> If what you allege is true, the OS wouldn't be able to run on machines
> more than two years old.

I did not allege anything. I simply responded to some dude stating that
Apple didn't make software available for older machines. I said it was
perfectly normal.

I did not pass judgement on whether Apple supports machines longer than
the rest of industry. (which it generally does).

If I state that Apple stops providing new software old older machines, I
get called a troll.

Yet, you can state the very same thing and not get called a troll.

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#71496

In article <5509a2d2$0$39638$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> I did not allege anything. I simply responded to some dude stating that
> Apple didn't make software available for older machines. I said it was
> perfectly normal.

You can't technically run Yosemite on 2006 Mac Pros, but there are ways 
to do so, thanks to some dedicated Mac "hackers." And you need a new 
video card. But it works, and it works well. You can run Yosemite on 
pretty much any Core 2 Duo (still a workhorse in Mac _and_ Windows). 
32-bit machines have been "abandoned" for sure, but so they should be, I 
guess.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#71508

In article <5509a2d2$0$39638$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > If what you allege is true, the OS wouldn't be able to run on machines
> > more than two years old.
> 
> I did not allege anything. 

That is a lie.

> I simply responded to some dude stating that Apple didn't make
> software available for older machines. I said it was perfectly
> normal.

1.  It's not true, and 2. It's not normal.

> I did not pass judgement on whether Apple supports machines longer than
> the rest of industry. (which it generally does).

Whether Apple supports machines longer than the rest of the industry is
irrelevant; what is relevant is your canard that Apple doesn't support
older hardware in order to sell more hardware.  That allegation fails
because Apple does support older hardware.

> If I state that Apple stops providing new software old older machines, I
> get called a troll.

Because Apple does provide new software for for older machines.

> Yet, you can state the very same thing and not get called a troll.

But I don't say the very same thing.

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#71517

On 15-03-18 16:26, Michelle Steiner wrote:

> Whether Apple supports machines longer than the rest of the industry is
> irrelevant; what is relevant is your canard that Apple doesn't support
> older hardware in order to sell more hardware.  That allegation fails
> because Apple does support older hardware.


So, I support Apple, and you guys still manage to twist this in my
ranting against Apple.

Again, allegation was made to critizise Apple for not supporting older
hardware. I responded in support of Apple.

I did not state that Apple did not support older hardware. Only that it
si normal for a company whose business model is selling hardware to stop
providing software upgrades to older hardware. I did not define "how
old" older meant.

And yes, Apple has tended to support hardware for longer time than
others, but it does eventually stop supporting them with new software
releases.

I guess it becomes a new challenge: find a way to make a post that you
and your husbands Jully and Lewis cannot find any way to turn to paint
me as a troll. If even a post supportive of Apple gets twisted as a rant
against Apple is twisted 180° by your ilk, it is a tough challenge.

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#71519

In article <5509fc76$0$1697$c3e8da3$e408f015@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Again, allegation was made to critizise Apple for not supporting older
> hardware. I responded in support of Apple.

No, you didn't.

> I did not state that Apple did not support older hardware.

Yes you did.

You are engaging in duplicity.

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#71525

On 2015-03-18, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-03-18 16:26, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> Whether Apple supports machines longer than the rest of the industry is
>> irrelevant; what is relevant is your canard that Apple doesn't support
>> older hardware in order to sell more hardware.  That allegation fails
>> because Apple does support older hardware.
>
> So, I support Apple, and you guys still manage to twist this in my
> ranting against Apple.

You haven't supported Apple with the overwhelming majority of your posts
here as far as I can see. 

In this case, when the OP suggested that Apple chooses not to supply
kernel updates rather than allowing older hardware and software to work
correctly, and asked why, you responded that Apple does so to make
money, because Apple doesn't want sales to go down.

> Again, allegation was made to critizise Apple for not supporting older
> hardware. I responded in support of Apple.

Nope. You did support the OP in their incorrect assertions that Apple
has motive to make older hardware obsolete though.

> I did not state that Apple did not support older hardware.

By answering the question in the way you did, that's exactly what you
did - just not in those words.

> And yes, Apple has tended to support hardware for longer time than
> others, but it does eventually stop supporting them with new software
> releases.

Nobody but you is debating that.

> I guess it becomes a new challenge: find a way to make a post that you
> and your husbands Jully and Lewis cannot find any way to turn to paint
> me as a troll. If even a post supportive of Apple gets twisted as a rant
> against Apple is twisted 180° by your ilk, it is a tough challenge.

Troll on, trollboi. 

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#71462

Okay, so one time? In band camp? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> was all, like:
> On 15-03-17 13:46, Michelle Steiner wrote:

>> You maligned Apple's motives for not supporting older hardware.  Stop
>> being so disingenuous.

> Maligned ?  Really ?

Yes. You are an asshole. You set out every day with the intention of
being an asshole. We are on to you and we recognize you as the asshole
you so desperately want to be. Mission accomplished, asshole. Now piss
off.

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#71409

On 2015-03-17, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 15-03-17 10:19, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> One thing you can count on: JF Mezei will troll Apple whenever the
>> chance arises, and will very rarely (if ever) actually say anything kind
>> about the company. He's such a hater.
>
> Excuse me ?

No.

> What is unkind about stating that Apple is in business to
> sell hardware and not give you free OS upgrades for your 10 year old
> computer ?

Because it's not *why* "Apple doesn't continually update the kernel
instead of outdating hardware and software", which is the question you
supposedly answered with your trollish "to make money" comment. 

Not to mention you ignored the fact that Apple *does* continually update
the kernel, along with other parts of the operating system to keep older
hardware fresh with new functionality it would otherwise not have.

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#71406

On 2015-03-17 00:29:49 +0000, JF Mezei said:

> On 15-03-16 11:24, sctvguy1 wrote:
>> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the kernel
>> instead of outdating hardware and software?
> 
> Something about making money.
> 
> If people keep their computers for a long time, Apple sales go down. And
> with a business model where the OS updates are now free, there is no
> incentive to provide software updates to older hardware.

And yet, they provide software updates for quite a long time...

> 
> Unless...
> 
> Apple gave software updates for free to hardware that is 2 years old or
> less, and made software available for purchase if you have older hardware.

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#71545

On 2015-03-16, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the kernel 
> instead of outdating hardware and software?  Linux continues to update 
> the kernel to keep hardware/software current.  I am going to buy an iMac, 
> but the variety of dates, mid-2010, late 2009, early 2011, is very 
> confusing.  The hardware specs are very good, but it seems like features 
> are being outdated with constant updates to OSX.  Wouldn't kernel updates 
> keep more hardware current with the latest OSX?  People who are in the 
> "walled in garden of Apple" would still buy the latest stuff, but for 
> people who want a good used iMac, could be more assured that buying an 
> iMac would last longer and be more useful.

I'll just add to the comments here..

I really cannot fathom how you came to this line of 'reasoning'.  I had a 2006
Mac Pro 'cheese grater' and until Mavericks it was able to run everything I
threw at it.  And honestly the only reason I ended up having it recycled was
because it - after running 24x7x365x 7 YEARS it was starting to have overheat
problems.  Otherwise I'd probably still be using it instead of the 2012 model I
bought in early 2013.  My wife has a 2010 macbook that is running Mavericks now
and I'll be upgrading to Yosemite soon.  

Apple has done an excellent job of keeping their OS up-to-date and working with
their hardware.

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#71598

On 2015-03-19, tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> wrote:
> On 2015-03-16, sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> wrote:
>> Since OSX is Unix based, why doesn't Apple continually update the kernel 
>> instead of outdating hardware and software?  Linux continues to update 
>> the kernel to keep hardware/software current.  I am going to buy an iMac, 
>> but the variety of dates, mid-2010, late 2009, early 2011, is very 
>> confusing.  The hardware specs are very good, but it seems like features 
>> are being outdated with constant updates to OSX.  Wouldn't kernel updates 
>> keep more hardware current with the latest OSX?  People who are in the 
>> "walled in garden of Apple" would still buy the latest stuff, but for 
>> people who want a good used iMac, could be more assured that buying an 
>> iMac would last longer and be more useful.
>
> I'll just add to the comments here..
>
> I really cannot fathom how you came to this line of 'reasoning'.  I had a 2006
> Mac Pro 'cheese grater' and until Mavericks it was able to run everything I
> threw at it.  And honestly the only reason I ended up having it recycled was
> because it - after running 24x7x365x 7 YEARS it was starting to have overheat
> problems.

How often did you remove dust from the inside of it? Did you also remove
dust from the components, like the video card, processor heat sink, and
RAM? I do this twice a year with my Mac Pro and it hums right along,
with no overheating issues at all. If you allow dust to accumulate, then
air flow is impeded by dust, and the machine runs hotter with the fans
spinning faster, which is natural and expected.

I find one or two times a year is all that is needed for me. I take mine
out to the patio with a dust rage, a screw driver, and a can of
compressed air, and give it a good dusting. It's mostly silent and cool
(as cool as a Mac Pro tower can be, anyway) most of the time.

> Otherwise I'd probably still be using it instead of the 2012 model I
> bought in early 2013.

Be sure to keep it as dust-free as you can, within reason. 

> My wife has a 2010 macbook that is running Mavericks now
> and I'll be upgrading to Yosemite soon.  
>
> Apple has done an excellent job of keeping their OS up-to-date and working with
> their hardware.

I've had occasional issues with Yosemite, but not a lot more than other
more buggy releases in the past. People seem to love to forget problems
they have encountered in the past and claim things must be much worse or
in decline - selective memory.

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#71606

On 2015-03-19, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> I take mine out to the patio with a dust rage

* dust rag

No rage is involved, I swear!  : )

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#71621

On 2015-03-19, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2015-03-19, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> I take mine out to the patio with a dust rage
>
> * dust rag
>
> No rage is involved, I swear!  : )
>

:)

I used compressed air and totally raged on the dust.. :)

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#71624

On 2015-03-19, tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> wrote:
> On 2015-03-19, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-03-19, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I take mine out to the patio with a dust rage
>>
>> * dust rag
>>
>> No rage is involved, I swear!  : )
>>
>
>:)
>
> I used compressed air and totally raged on the dust.. :)

I admit a bit of dust in the eye has caused an outrageous reaction from
time to time. : )

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#71648

In article <cn0fugFrucnU6@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-03-19, tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> wrote:
> > On 2015-03-19, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> On 2015-03-19, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I take mine out to the patio with a dust rage
> >>
> >> * dust rag
> >>
> >> No rage is involved, I swear!  : )
> >>
> >
> >:)
> >
> > I used compressed air and totally raged on the dust.. :)
> 
> I admit a bit of dust in the eye has caused an outrageous reaction from
> time to time. : )

I once used one of those compressed air dusters to blow the dust bunnies 
out of an old machine. That session ended in rage. Apparently, either 
the can, the nozzle, or the contents (no telling which at the time, and 
since it was years ago...) built up an ungodly static charge. Two quick 
<SNAP!>s in succession, and I no longer needed to clean the machine - it 
was dead as the proverbial doorknob.

The moral of the story: I, for one, wouldn't use "canned air" to clean 
*ANYTHING* electronic if you tried to pay me to.

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#71657

On 2015-03-20, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
> In article <cn0fugFrucnU6@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-03-19, tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> wrote:
>> > On 2015-03-19, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2015-03-19, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I take mine out to the patio with a dust rage
>> >>
>> >> * dust rag
>> >>
>> >> No rage is involved, I swear!  : )
>> >>
>> >
>> >:)
>> >
>> > I used compressed air and totally raged on the dust.. :)
>> 
>> I admit a bit of dust in the eye has caused an outrageous reaction from
>> time to time. : )
>
> I once used one of those compressed air dusters to blow the dust bunnies 
> out of an old machine. That session ended in rage. Apparently, either 
> the can, the nozzle, or the contents (no telling which at the time, and 
> since it was years ago...) built up an ungodly static charge. Two quick 
><SNAP!>s in succession, and I no longer needed to clean the machine - it 
> was dead as the proverbial doorknob.
>
> The moral of the story: I, for one, wouldn't use "canned air" to clean 
> *ANYTHING* electronic if you tried to pay me to.

LOL! I guesss I'm just *that* lazy...

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#71651

On 2015-03-19, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
<snip>
> How often did you remove dust from the inside of it? Did you also remove
> dust from the components, like the video card, processor heat sink, and
> RAM? I do this twice a year with my Mac Pro and it hums right along,
> with no overheating issues at all. If you allow dust to accumulate, then
> air flow is impeded by dust, and the machine runs hotter with the fans
> spinning faster, which is natural and expected.

Oh yea.. did all of that.  I think the area where I had it by my desk simply
wasn't ventilated enough and over time it took a toll on the tower.  It made for
a good excuse to upgrade at least.. ;)

>
> I find one or two times a year is all that is needed for me. I take mine
> out to the patio with a dust rage, a screw driver, and a can of
> compressed air, and give it a good dusting. It's mostly silent and cool
> (as cool as a Mac Pro tower can be, anyway) most of the time.
>
>> Otherwise I'd probably still be using it instead of the 2012 model I
>> bought in early 2013.
>
> Be sure to keep it as dust-free as you can, within reason. 

I'm certainly doing that now.. and better ventilated too.  

>
>> My wife has a 2010 macbook that is running Mavericks now and I'll be
>> upgrading to Yosemite soon.  
>>
>> Apple has done an excellent job of keeping their OS up-to-date and working
>> with their hardware.
>
> I've had occasional issues with Yosemite, but not a lot more than other more
> buggy releases in the past. People seem to love to forget problems they have
> encountered in the past and claim things must be much worse or in decline -
> selective memory.
>

Y'know the 'bumpiest' update for me was going from 10.4 to 10.5 - since then
I've always just waited for a x.x.1 release and then I upgrade.  Maybe I'm just
being silly and superstitious but I figure that gives Apple time to clean out
any 'major' hiccups.


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#71658

On 2015-03-20, tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> wrote:
> On 2015-03-19, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've had occasional issues with Yosemite, but not a lot more than other more
>> buggy releases in the past. People seem to love to forget problems they have
>> encountered in the past and claim things must be much worse or in decline -
>> selective memory.
>
> Y'know the 'bumpiest' update for me was going from 10.4 to 10.5 - since then
> I've always just waited for a x.x.1 release and then I upgrade.  Maybe I'm just
> being silly and superstitious but I figure that gives Apple time to clean out
> any 'major' hiccups.
 
Nah, that's a great balance, and is exactly what I tend to do. I don't
normally install the latest release on the machines I use daily. I wait
one or two bug fix releases until I see the issues are small enough they
won't affect my daily work. : )

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