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  SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-08 12:44 -0800
    Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-08 15:57 -0500
      Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-08 14:31 -0800
        Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-08 23:37 +0000
          Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-08 19:05 -0800
        Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-08 21:06 -0500
          Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-08 19:11 -0800
            Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-08 23:45 -0500
            Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-09 12:45 +0000
              Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-09 09:14 -0800
                Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-09 17:18 +0000
                  Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-09 09:27 -0800
                    Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-09 17:36 +0000
                      Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-09 09:49 -0800
                        Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-09 18:23 +0000
                          Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-09 12:21 -0800
                            Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-09 23:22 +0000
                              Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-09 15:46 -0800
                                Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-01-09 19:48 -0800
                                  Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-09 23:15 -0800
                                    Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-01-10 22:37 +1100
                                      Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-10 07:29 -0800
                                        Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-01-11 07:16 +1100
                                          Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-10 13:11 -0800
                                            Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-01-11 11:52 +1100
                                              Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-10 21:25 -0800
                                                Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-01-11 17:49 +1100
                                            Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-10 21:20 -0700
                                              Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-10 21:25 -0800
                                                Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-01-10 22:36 -0700
                                                  Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-11 09:17 -0800
                                                    Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-11 12:31 -0500
                                                      Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-11 11:32 -0800
                                                    Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-01-12 08:01 +1100
                                                      Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-11 14:25 -0800
                                  Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-01-10 15:22 +0000
                                    Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-01-11 13:06 +0100
                                      Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-11 11:28 -0800
                          Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-01-10 13:24 -0500
            Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-01-09 08:13 -0800
            Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-01-10 11:55 -0500
              Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-01-10 09:21 -0800
                Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-01-10 14:26 -0500
                  Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-11 00:10 -0500
                    Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-01-11 17:43 +1100
                      Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-11 01:46 -0500
                        Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-01-11 17:54 +1100
                          Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-01-11 01:57 -0500
                    Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-01-12 00:28 -0500
                      Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-13 01:40 +0000
                        Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-01-14 13:53 -0500
                          Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-01-15 07:03 +1100
                            Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-01-15 00:33 -0500
                              Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-01-16 07:02 +1100
                          Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-17 02:47 +0000
                            Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-01-17 00:17 -0500
                  Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-01-11 16:31 -0500
                    Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-01-11 21:51 +0000
                    Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-01-11 23:12 +0000
              Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-01-11 17:06 -0500
            Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-01-11 12:55 +0100
              Re: SundayReview - How My Mom Got Hacked Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-01-15 15:15 -0500

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#68200

On 1/8/15 10:11 PM, gtr wrote:
> I havfe no offsite backup.  I wonder how many Mac users do.

When I was working, I kept my offsite backup in my locker at 
work.
Once I retired, that option was gone.

My solution (might not be the best out there):
I got USB flashdrives of sufficent capacity (one 64gb, 
another 128gb).
I now save my data files and music library to the flash 
drives, and keep them in my car.
The "main data" flashdrive is encrypted.

This way, I have something "other than" storage that is 
located in the house. Chances are if there's a house fire, 
the car will at least survive.

I realize the car could be stolen (probably not, it's 
older). Even so, all the thieves would get is an encrypted 
flashdrive.

Again, might not be the best solution, but something is 
better than nothing...

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#68201

On 2015-01-10 16:55:06 +0000, John Albert said:

> On 1/8/15 10:11 PM, gtr wrote:
>> I havfe no offsite backup.  I wonder how many Mac users do.
> 
> When I was working, I kept my offsite backup in my locker at work.
> Once I retired, that option was gone.
> 
> My solution (might not be the best out there):
> I got USB flashdrives of sufficent capacity (one 64gb, another 128gb).
> I now save my data files and music library to the flash drives, and 
> keep them in my car.
> The "main data" flashdrive is encrypted.

What do you use for backup or syncing?  Just manual copying?

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#68203

On 1/10/15 12:21 PM, gtr wrote:
> What do you use for backup or syncing?  Just manual copying?

CarbonCopyCloner.

I do not use, and will never use, Time Machine.

SuperDuper would be an acceptable alternative.

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#68211

In article <54b17cdd$0$28445$2c56edd9@usenetrocket.com>, John Albert
<j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> I do not use, and will never use, Time Machine.

that's very dumb.

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#68218

In article <110120150010156152%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <54b17cdd$0$28445$2c56edd9@usenetrocket.com>, John Albert
> <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:
> 
> > I do not use, and will never use, Time Machine.
> 
> that's very dumb.

Which part? The do not or the will never or both?

-- 
dorayme

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#68219

In article <do_ray_me-276221.17431511012015@aioe.org>, dorayme
<do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> > > I do not use, and will never use, Time Machine.
> > 
> > that's very dumb.
> 
> Which part? The do not or the will never or both?

mainly the never part, but both. there is no downside to using time
machine.

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#68221

In article <110120150146483689%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <do_ray_me-276221.17431511012015@aioe.org>, dorayme
> <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > > > I do not use, and will never use, Time Machine.
> > > 
> > > that's very dumb.
> > 
> > Which part? The do not or the will never or both?
> 
> mainly the never part, but both. there is no downside to using time
> machine.

Yes, the never was a bit bold. I don't believe that there is no 
downside in using time machine. How many rocks have you looked under 
to see no downsides?

-- 
dorayme

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#68222

In article <do_ray_me-1F444B.17544211012015@aioe.org>, dorayme
<do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> > > > > I do not use, and will never use, Time Machine.
> > > > 
> > > > that's very dumb.
> > > 
> > > Which part? The do not or the will never or both?
> > 
> > mainly the never part, but both. there is no downside to using time
> > machine.
> 
> Yes, the never was a bit bold. I don't believe that there is no 
> downside in using time machine. How many rocks have you looked under 
> to see no downsides?

i cleared an entire beach.

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#68292

On 1/11/15 12:10 AM, nospam wrote:
> that's very dumb.

Dumb I am.
But I still won't use it.

I prefer backups that are 100% bootable, and mount directly 
into the finder.

I've seen far too many reports from folks who's only backup 
was TM. In a moment of extreme need, they tried to access 
their TM backups, and .... couldn't.

Also, you can't get a "full boot" from a TM backup. Yes, you 
can boot to the recovery partition, but that's not a "full 
boot". By "full boot" I mean access to the finder and all 
one's files, able to launch any program one wants, etc.

It's CCC for me...

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#68327

Okay, so one time? In band camp? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> was all, like:
> On 1/11/15 12:10 AM, nospam wrote:
>> that's very dumb.

> Dumb I am.
> But I still won't use it.

> I prefer backups that are 100% bootable, and mount directly 
> into the finder.

Clones are not backups. Clones will happily copy corrupted and changed
files, making recovery impossible.

> I've seen far too many reports from folks who's only backup 
> was TM. In a moment of extreme need, they tried to access 
> their TM backups, and .... couldn't.

Uh huh.

> Also, you can't get a "full boot" from a TM backup. Yes, you 
> can boot to the recovery partition, but that's not a "full 
> boot". By "full boot" I mean access to the finder and all 
> one's files, able to launch any program one wants, etc.

You can boot and restore. And you can restore files that have been
changed, deleted, overwritten, or corrupted. That is a backup.

> It's CCC for me...

CCC is useful, but not a replacement for a real backup.

-- 
'You're your own worst enemy, Rincewind,' said the sword.
Rincewind looked up at the grinning men. 'Bet?' --Colour of Magic

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#68416

On 1/12/15 8:40 PM, Lewis wrote:
> CCC is useful, but not a replacement for a real backup.

My response is simply "nonsense".

I've never been let down by a CCC backup -- I keep several of them 
around, some older than others. In the case of a corrupted file 
(resulting in a corrupted backup), I can go to an older version.

I really have no need for the concept of "versioning". the ONLY 
"version" I want of any file is the one that is currently on my drive. I 
understand why others might have reasons to maintain "older versions", 
but I don't really have any.

I've got files dating back to 1987 still present and accessible on my 
regular hard drive today. My backup system works, for me.

I can remember when "backing up" meant copying the contents of one 
floppy to another (my first Mac was a dual-drive Macintosh SE).

I can also remember using DiskFit, and maintaining a "backup set" of 
about 50 high-density floppies, which I dutifully swapped as required to 
backup a hard drive sitting under the SE.

These days, I back up my main data drive in about 30 seconds using CCC.

That's good enough for me.

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#68417

In article <54b6bafe$0$18230$2c56edd9@usenetrocket.com>,
 John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> These days, I back up my main data drive in about 30 seconds using CCC.

Gosh! It takes mine to get backed up much more time (ten to twenty 
minutes) with a paid up SuperDuper using their quickest and most 
efficient parameters. Talking up to 300 GB of main. 30 secs sounds 
like not much is changed or else or and you have a pretty fast 
processor and lots of ram.

-- 
dorayme

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#68422

On 1/14/15 3:03 PM, dorayme wrote:
> Gosh! It takes mine to get backed up much more time (ten to twenty
> minutes) with a paid up SuperDuper using their quickest and most
> efficient parameters. Talking up to 300 GB of main. 30 secs sounds
> like not much is changed or else or and you have a pretty fast
> processor and lots of ram.

The reason for the short backup time is because I keep my 
data segregrated from the OS.

My "boot" partition is a bit shy of 44gb in size (space used).
My "main" partition (the one that I store my -data- on) is 
11gb in size (space used).

In the process of composing this reply, I launched CCC and 
backed up my main partition to my "main backup" partition.

CCC completed the task in 23-24 seconds.

But then, I keep almost no music, no photos, no movies on 
the data partition.
They are all maintained on individual partitions dedicated 
to such things (i.e., a "music" partition, a "media" 
partition, etc.).
Those partitions don't see many changes, and their backups 
(again using CCC) go even faster...

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#68448

In article <54b750ff$0$18131$2c56edd9@usenetrocket.com>,
 John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> wrote:

> On 1/14/15 3:03 PM, dorayme wrote:
> > Gosh! It takes mine to get backed up much more time (ten to twenty
> > minutes) with a paid up SuperDuper using their quickest and most
> > efficient parameters. Talking up to 300 GB of main. 30 secs sounds
> > like not much is changed or else or and you have a pretty fast
> > processor and lots of ram.
> 
> The reason for the short backup time is because I keep my 
> data segregrated from the OS.
> 
> My "boot" partition is a bit shy of 44gb in size (space used).
> My "main" partition (the one that I store my -data- on) is 
> 11gb in size (space used).
> 
> In the process of composing this reply, I launched CCC and 
> backed up my main partition to my "main backup" partition.
> 
> CCC completed the task in 23-24 seconds.
> 
> But then, I keep almost no music, no photos, no movies on 
> the data partition.
> They are all maintained on individual partitions dedicated 
> to such things (i.e., a "music" partition, a "media" 
> partition, etc.).
> Those partitions don't see many changes, and their backups 
> (again using CCC) go even faster...

I guess that's a plan. I used to have partitions for this and that but 
now I can't be bothered and it all goes on the one, folders being good 
enough for me and I have backups. If you have partitions and different 
things on different ones and you total your time backing up all, and 
if you had as many changes as I have, presumably our backup times 
would get closer.

-- 
dorayme

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#68470

Okay, so one time? In band camp? John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> was all, like:
> On 1/12/15 8:40 PM, Lewis wrote:
>> CCC is useful, but not a replacement for a real backup.

> My response is simply "nonsense".

> I've never been let down by a CCC backup

A clone copy is not a backup in any real sense of the word. As I said in
the parts you snipped, a clone will happily copy a corrupted file. In
order to have a backup, you need to have a history you can navigate back
to a good version of the file.

-- I keep several of them 
> around, some older than others. In the case of a corrupted file 
> (resulting in a corrupted backup), I can go to an older version.

Several clones can often duplicate the effect of a good backup solution,
but certainly not the efficiency of one.

> I really have no need for the concept of "versioning". the ONLY 
> "version" I want of any file is the one that is currently on my drive.

The corrupt version? That seems less than useful.

> These days, I back up my main data drive in about 30 seconds using CCC.

Then you have very little data.

Backup rule of thumb: At least three copies in at least two physically
distinct locations. At *least*.

-- 
http://2blog.kreme.com

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#68475

On 1/16/15 9:47 PM, Lewis wrote:
> Backup rule of thumb: At least three copies in at least two physically
> distinct locations. At*least*.

I keep -four- copies in -three- different locations (one 
out-of-the-house).

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#68278

On 1/10/15, 2:26 PM, John Albert wrote:
> On 1/10/15 12:21 PM, gtr wrote:
>> What do you use for backup or syncing?  Just manual copying?
>
> CarbonCopyCloner.
>
> I do not use, and will never use, Time Machine.
>
> SuperDuper would be an acceptable alternative.

What's your beef with Time Machine?

-- 
New yard sign: Due to the increase in ammunition prices, do NOT expect a 
warning shot. Thank you for your understanding.
				- @Boazziz

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#68281

On 2015-01-11, Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> wrote:
> On 1/10/15, 2:26 PM, John Albert wrote:
>> On 1/10/15 12:21 PM, gtr wrote:
>>> What do you use for backup or syncing?  Just manual copying?
>>
>> CarbonCopyCloner.
>>
>> I do not use, and will never use, Time Machine.
>>
>> SuperDuper would be an acceptable alternative.
>
> What's your beef with Time Machine?

Prepare for hyperbole. ; )

Personally I find Time Machine to be very useful. It has saved me lots
of time and headache over the years, enabling me to successfully recover
many files that would have otherwise been inaccessible due to loss. 

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#68285

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> was all, like:
> On 1/10/15, 2:26 PM, John Albert wrote:
>> On 1/10/15 12:21 PM, gtr wrote:
>>> What do you use for backup or syncing?  Just manual copying?
>>
>> CarbonCopyCloner.
>>
>> I do not use, and will never use, Time Machine.
>>
>> SuperDuper would be an acceptable alternative.

> What's your beef with Time Machine?

Something stupid, no doubt.

-- 
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons for you are crunchy and taste
good with ketchup

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#68282

On 1/10/15, 11:55 AM, John Albert wrote:
> On 1/8/15 10:11 PM, gtr wrote:
>> I havfe no offsite backup.  I wonder how many Mac users do.
>
> When I was working, I kept my offsite backup in my locker at work.
> Once I retired, that option was gone.
>
> My solution (might not be the best out there):
> I got USB flashdrives of sufficent capacity (one 64gb, another 128gb).
> I now save my data files and music library to the flash drives, and keep
> them in my car.
> The "main data" flashdrive is encrypted.
>
> This way, I have something "other than" storage that is located in the
> house. Chances are if there's a house fire, the car will at least survive.
>
> I realize the car could be stolen (probably not, it's older). Even so,
> all the thieves would get is an encrypted flashdrive.
>
> Again, might not be the best solution, but something is better than
> nothing...

Driving an oldie is scant protection against car theft. You might be 
disheartened to learn that the  most frequently stolen car is the 
1990-1997 Honda Accord followed by the 1991-2000 Honda Civic...

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/auto/10-most-stolen-vehicles-2.aspx

These days, I just toss an extra Time Machine portable hard drive in my 
bank safe deposit box and periodically rotate in a current backup. This 
is in addition to the one I keep in a well-camouflaged media safe in my 
house.

I was self-employed with a home-based business for 27 years and was 
pretty nutty about regular multiple backups,including off-site. My 
primary assets were intellectual property/data on my computer.

Yeah it was a real PIA and I took ribbing from friends/family but my 
clients respected it. In fact, one of my long-term large corporate 
clients let me store/rotate a deeply encrypted hard drive in my own 
personal lock box in their walk-in media safe. I'm happy to say I never 
lost a file in all those years.

-- 
"Today I'm pledging to cut the deficit we inherited by half by the end 
of my first term in office."
			- Barack Hussein Obama, February 23, 2009

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